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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Icelander]
    #19395069 - 01/09/14 06:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Better come up with some stats quick. I fished my whole life and I've seen uncounted numbers of fish circling and floating belly up after being cut loose from fishing line.  A delicate trout is very different than a shark.  I have also caught trout with a hook in them but that hardly means the majority survive gut hooking.



WTF man it ain't like I kept a log of all the stomach contents of the thousands of fish I've caught in my lifetime. :laugh2: Just trust me lots of fish eat goofy stuff and survive. I don't think I need to post a scientific study to verify this. You're a funny guy you make me laugh. :lolsy: I've caught Steelhead  with so many flies on their bodies and in their guts they looked like Chritmas trees inside and out.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #19395635 - 01/09/14 07:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Then there's no reason to believe most gut hooked fish survive.:shrug: In fact a study I read showed that many caught  handled and released fish swim away looking good only to die later due to the  stress of the fight. Something like 40% in trout if I remember right.  Larger fish like steelhead probably do somewhat better.

It's not a pretty sport from the fishes pov. :haha:  Lets face it, we really aren't going to change because of that.  I see it like recycling and such. It makes us feel good to pretend we are being real responsible and justify blood sport but really we just want to enjoy catching fish and sometimes eating them but we want to feel good about ourselves also.

When I was a kid letting fish go was unheard of. (40-50 years ago)  If you fished you ate what you caught if it was big enough.  End of story.  Those were good days.  Fishing now is kind of a joke compared to those days.  I got in on the best of it.  Lots of wild fish and no one was worried about any of it.  Mostly clean water, few regulations, and lots of food on the table.  I grew up in the farm families of Michigan.  We all fished, we also hunted some too but fishing was a big deal. Winter and summer we were out fishing.  I caught thousands and thousands of fish.  Some of them fairly large.  Big fun.

Oh and you're really exaggerating about the xmas tree fish imo.  I've fished for 45 years and never seen that.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Icelander]
    #19397803 - 01/10/14 08:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Oh and you're really exaggerating about the xmas tree fish imo.  I've fished for 45 years and never seen that.


Oh really then you have never fished the PA streams east of Erie. :laugh2:


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #19399670 - 01/10/14 03:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I can't give any numbers Icelander, but one of the fish I tagged in the past that got re-captured was a fish that I did not think would survive. We caught it when tagging was becoming a trend but the conventional J hooks were still being used. The fish was hooked very deep so we just cut the line. That fish was then caught again 16 months later and in good condition.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Jordy]
    #19400824 - 01/10/14 07:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yes yes all of us who fish alot have had that experience.  That still does not mean that most survive when gut hooked.  :shrug:


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #19400831 - 01/10/14 07:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Oh and you're really exaggerating about the xmas tree fish imo.  I've fished for 45 years and never seen that.


Oh really then you have never fished the PA streams east of Erie. :laugh2:




Yeah right.  :tongue:


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Ras Rising]
    #21141352 - 01/18/15 08:49 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, sometimes annoying fishing gloves


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: chenlin]
    #21154171 - 01/21/15 08:15 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Not directed at anyone but the only fish that have a high mortality rate are gill hooked fish you're better of for the fishes sake to cut the line rather than trying to get the hook out. If you mess with it you're basically cutting the fishes throat. If you don't cut the line then keep it for the table.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #21160848 - 01/22/15 01:52 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

That's why when fishing with bait I use non-offset circle hooks, they either hook up in the jaw corner or they don't hook up at all.

It's not needed with lures so much due to the hooks having constant pressure during the retrieve. The fish doesn't get a chance to swallow the hooks down to it's gills before the hooks go in


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Ras Rising]
    #21235392 - 02/06/15 02:03 PM (9 years, 18 days ago)

Hey Rasliam

Who do you think pays for conservation? The sportsman. Fees for license for fishing, hunting and use of state land goes back in to helping and protect habitat. What have you done to help the outdoors? You do more damage in your daily routine then us fisherman do when we catch a fish.

Although I don't agree with using treble hooks and bait because of the damage it can do, I do believe the single hook has a very minimal affect on the fish. I know many fishery biologist who will back me up on that.


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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: tscott1632]
    #21259608 - 02/11/15 05:02 PM (9 years, 13 days ago)

I have fish at least once a week. That's what they are for.:homerdrool:


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