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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21134666 - 01/17/15 04:50 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

that's a fact.

so now we've differentiated an opinion, from fact.

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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21135648 - 01/17/15 08:59 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Color is a real thing.  You can ascribe an actual wavelength number to all of them.  It's like tuning a radio.  Individual's perception of them may vary but they all have very specific wavelengths




this is, in fact, true. much like each musical note has a specific measureable wavelength though the definition of that wavelength's perceivable sound is only specific in your limited subjective reality. ive pondered the color conundrum for a long time. i am red-green colorblind.


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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: shroom_sensai]
    #21137567 - 01/18/15 10:49 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Me too.  I cannot see the numbers in the dot diagrams for red green but I have no problem telling the actual colors apart.  Maybe the test is stupid.:shrug:


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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: shroom_sensai]
    #21137917 - 01/18/15 12:02 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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But when it comes down to it (and yes Shins, I realize that IF there were a God, I shouldn't have the capacity to understand it), facts > opinions.  That isn't to say a god definitely does not exist.  But so far as we KNOW (can prove) at this point in our evolution, one does not Definitely exist.  No amount of faith has changed that fact.





an absence of evidence isnt evidence of absence

I've asked before and no one has offered up proof, what proof is there that there is no god




you cannot prove a negative. and no one can prove that there is a god because there is no rational evidence. therefore, agnosticism is the only sane choice.




Hold on.

first we need to define terms.

it is important to define "god" before you attempt to disprove it, and indeed god has been defined many different ways by many different cultures.

My personal definition lines up with many other religions and philosophies who define god as something along the lines of "the all" "the sum of every thing" "nature" "the universe" 

Now if you were to define god as "the all" then evidence of "the all" is literally EVERYWHERE and indeed it is you who is the fool for rejecting the evidence of existence all around you.


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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: Shins]
    #21138268 - 01/18/15 12:47 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

"The all"?  What does that even mean?  You do not get to make up your own definitions and pervert the meanings of common words.


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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21138360 - 01/18/15 12:53 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah! God is a big bearded white dude in teh sky with magic powers.




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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: Baby_Hitler] * 1
    #21138408 - 01/18/15 12:56 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah! God is a big bearded white dude in teh sky with magic powers.






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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21138665 - 01/18/15 01:20 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Color is a real thing.  You can ascribe an actual wavelength number to all of them.  It's like tuning a radio.  Individual's perception of them may vary but they all have very specific wavelengths


the fact that we have labelled the color red with a specific number relative to the numbers with which we have labelled other colors does not explain why the color red looks red

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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: 69er]
    #21138716 - 01/18/15 01:29 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah! God is a big bearded white dude in teh sky with magic powers.






You're going to hell





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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: morrowasted]
    #21139977 - 01/18/15 05:13 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Color is a real thing.  You can ascribe an actual wavelength number to all of them.  It's like tuning a radio.  Individual's perception of them may vary but they all have very specific wavelengths


the fact that we have labelled the color red with a specific number relative to the numbers with which we have labelled other colors does not explain why the color red looks red




It is, however, how we can give it a different label from blue.


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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21141629 - 01/18/15 09:36 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, it is....

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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #21142816 - 01/19/15 07:55 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Atheism is a most antithetical thing, and all it creates is more swathes of bullshit for the Earth to turn in.

people of religions should tear apart their books (metaphorically speaking) and use their logical and ethical minds to rend all the bullshit from the literature and make something good of it, and drop the psycho bullshit about believing their own nonsense.

but Atheism is all about making another bullshit belief system to denounce an already present believe system, with it's own dogma, and does even have it's own beliefs; hence, it is by my calculations, about twice as bad as any other religion... other than Islam. it's about on the same level as Islam. barbaric and exculpatory.

if only logical people could somehow be ethical. :shrug:

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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21142834 - 01/19/15 08:07 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Atheism is a most antithetical thing, and all it creates is more swathes of bullshit for the Earth to turn in.

people of religions should tear apart their books (metaphorically speaking) and use their logical and ethical minds to rend all the bullshit from the literature and make something good of it, and drop the psycho bullshit about believing their own nonsense.

but Atheism is all about making another bullshit belief system to denounce an already present believe system, with it's own dogma, and does even have it's own beliefs; hence, it is by my calculations, about twice as bad as any other religion... other than Islam. it's about on the same level as Islam. barbaric and exculpatory.

if only logical people could somehow be ethical. :shrug:




Ya, all those atheist scientists creating cures for diseases, they are so barbaric. We should abolish the National Academy of Sciences today.

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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21143131 - 01/19/15 09:45 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

"Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Most inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist."
Stop bickering over definitions. It is poorly defined. Therefore, different atheists feel DIFFERENTLY about their belief or lack thereof.
Specifically, I have no reason whatsoever to believe in a deity of any kind, since it would not A. explain the workings of the world in a more elegant or helpful way or B. line up with what little I do know of the world so far. This does NOT mean that I 'believe for certain there's no god'. I have just as much reason to believe in a distant planet of rainbow-colored Welsh-speaking unicorns as the christian god or any other deity. That does not mean that I 'have faith' there is no god. I simply lack any belief in that god. It is completely different than a system of belief, unless you turn it into one, which its true, some dumb-asses do.

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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: Confucian] * 1
    #21143372 - 01/19/15 10:45 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Atheism is a most antithetical thing, and all it creates is more swathes of bullshit for the Earth to turn in.

people of religions should tear apart their books (metaphorically speaking) and use their logical and ethical minds to rend all the bullshit from the literature and make something good of it, and drop the psycho bullshit about believing their own nonsense.

but Atheism is all about making another bullshit belief system to denounce an already present believe system, with it's own dogma, and does even have it's own beliefs; hence, it is by my calculations, about twice as bad as any other religion... other than Islam. it's about on the same level as Islam. barbaric and exculpatory.

if only logical people could somehow be ethical. :shrug:




Ya, all those atheist scientists creating cures for diseases, they are so barbaric. We should abolish the National Academy of Sciences today.




Scientists are human. One works at curing terrible diseases, the other makes a better gun for the soldiers, and another is inventing a new way to harvest natural resources at an alarming rate that also fucks up the environment for centuries.

What about all them atheist bankers and businessmen? They seem to have very little knowledge of ethics and morality.

Religion doesn't make you good, atheism doesn't make you bad, etcetera.


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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: Shins]
    #21143404 - 01/19/15 10:53 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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But when it comes down to it (and yes Shins, I realize that IF there were a God, I shouldn't have the capacity to understand it), facts > opinions.  That isn't to say a god definitely does not exist.  But so far as we KNOW (can prove) at this point in our evolution, one does not Definitely exist.  No amount of faith has changed that fact.





an absence of evidence isnt evidence of absence

I've asked before and no one has offered up proof, what proof is there that there is no god




you cannot prove a negative. and no one can prove that there is a god because there is no rational evidence. therefore, agnosticism is the only sane choice.




Hold on.

first we need to define terms.

it is important to define "god" before you attempt to disprove it, and indeed god has been defined many different ways by many different cultures.

My personal definition lines up with many other religions and philosophies who define god as something along the lines of "the all" "the sum of every thing" "nature" "the universe" 

Now if you were to define god as "the all" then evidence of "the all" is literally EVERYWHERE and indeed it is you who is the fool for rejecting the evidence of existence all around you.





What kind of chicken shit definition is that? In that case I define God as a blade of grass, so I know that there are billions of gods in the planet, and lawnmowers are engines of Satan.

Why call what amounts to the laws of the natural world, God? You're ascribing supernatural connotations to that something that is, by your own definition, natural. Why? Just take the last step, and be an atheist.

The conventional definitions of God do not apply, and we already have words and explanations for "the all" and natural law and the universe. There's no need to invoke the God of Abraham, other than to wrap up your spiritual insecurity in a nice, comforting blankey.


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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: Confucian] * 1
    #21143416 - 01/19/15 10:55 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Atheism is a most antithetical thing, and all it creates is more swathes of bullshit for the Earth to turn in.

people of religions should tear apart their books (metaphorically speaking) and use their logical and ethical minds to rend all the bullshit from the literature and make something good of it, and drop the psycho bullshit about believing their own nonsense.

but Atheism is all about making another bullshit belief system to denounce an already present believe system, with it's own dogma, and does even have it's own beliefs; hence, it is by my calculations, about twice as bad as any other religion... other than Islam. it's about on the same level as Islam. barbaric and exculpatory.

if only logical people could somehow be ethical. :shrug:




Ya, all those atheist scientists creating cures for diseases, they are so barbaric. We should abolish the National Academy of Sciences today.



yeah, it's because they're Atheist they're doing all that science. :rolleyes:

besides, i never said that Atheists couldn't just be people first, and Atheists later. you've attached your identity to idea that's set in stone. you should think about how similar to religion that is, and like every other religious person, devoutly counteract every dogmatic treachery you can find in your holy books. if you were a true scientist and skeptic, you'd know this; of course, not that most anyone has time for all of that.

but if you were devout, you'd not just follow blindly. you'd be doing a dishonor to your values to follow them blindly.

which is why Atheism is so stupid. it's practically useless. it's an idea to de-perpetuate all religious ideas, which in itself, close-minded, and empirically damaging; reducing billions into automatons is not a world anyone wants to live in. no one would get anything done. only the best minds would even a chance, and they would ethical? why? because they denounced the existence of God? right... that's laughable, and immediately stark raving mad.

all it is doing is creating another damaging system with less of a intent then any major religion, but having the same damn problems of religion. how in the fuck is that better for anything? oh, stop believing in God, and believe in science, but SCIENCE doesn't deal with moral or ethical boundaries... not unless the law wasn't concerned... then maybe...

and you might say: oh we have all the answers already... well, we have billions and billions of people on this planet, so what the fuck are you gonna do?

or better yet, lets just focus on Christian capital America, because yeah, a complete America would have been everything it could be and more if it wasn't for religion... yeah, those old world fuckers serious just forgot to have morals and standards... and law... they just plumb forgot em all! all the religions were just for dumb people! yadayadayada

you just don't realize how dumb your religion sounds to other people, Atheists. LOL

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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: Ezuma]
    #21143431 - 01/19/15 10:59 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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"Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Most inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist."
Stop bickering over definitions. It is poorly defined. Therefore, different atheists feel DIFFERENTLY about their belief or lack thereof.
Specifically, I have no reason whatsoever to believe in a deity of any kind, since it would not A. explain the workings of the world in a more elegant or helpful way or B. line up with what little I do know of the world so far. This does NOT mean that I 'believe for certain there's no god'. I have just as much reason to believe in a distant planet of rainbow-colored Welsh-speaking unicorns as the christian god or any other deity. That does not mean that I 'have faith' there is no god. I simply lack any belief in that god. It is completely different than a system of belief, unless you turn it into one, which its true, some dumb-asses do.



another reason why Atheism is DUMB, and made up crap, moreso than religions... at least religions had a point... a mayhaps deceitful point, but a point nonetheless... you can call it control, but that's some tinfoil hat shit, by the way...

but look at Atheism... what does it actually do? according to your definition of course. :wink:

i'll tell you... it makes more enemies of each other... it's makes people have to think solely without guide or faith, which hey, faith might be dead; but if the world ever got bad, i think every scientist would fighting tooth and nail to find answers on how to escape the potential doom of humanity or themselves, right? well, guess what, there ya go.

and yes, everyone can guide each other morally, and ethically now... but without religions, were wouldn't have build or HAVE to build upon what we have now.

so. religion = 1
Atheism = zero

and yes, you're right Atheism isn't a religion, but some people treat it like one. and you are treating it like one.

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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21143437 - 01/19/15 11:00 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

How can you say science can't deal in morals and ethics?

And there's nothing set in stone about atheism. I'm sure you're set in stone on your refutation of astrology, or vampires. Why do you think that is? Maybe you simply arrived at the conclusion that you needn't worry about something for which there is zero evidence, and it's perfectly reasonable to discard the mere idea. Or are you agnostic on the position. of vampires?


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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21143446 - 01/19/15 11:02 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Gahh I would've thought you'd be smart enough to realize that atheism isn't a thing, it's the absence of a thing.

It's like me railing on the people who don't believe in unicorns. "What has a-unicornism ever done that's good?"

"Why can't you just let people believe in unicorns if it makes them happy? at least it serves a purpose, unlike a-unicornism."


But we don't have to label people as a-unicornists or a-astrologists or a-wiccans, because society has agreed that the ideas themselves don't even merit further discussion. As should be the case with theism.

THEISM.

You wanna talk deism or pantheism with your vague "God is energy" shit? Fine. But theism falls flat on its face from the onset. It deserves to be laughed off the island and the people laughing don't deserve pejorative labels for refusing to entertain such an idiotic idea.


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