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Im addicted to heroin and I want to quit. Looking for sound not judgmental advice.
    #21119898 - 01/14/15 10:40 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I used to be a frequent poster here and I have been a member for a few years. Big mushroom fanatic, all loving, spread joy and cheer, I was all about the psychedelic experience and loving people and the universe.

I've logged on today to ask my fellow shroomerites for help.  Something I thought I would never turn into has happened.

I dont cheat/steal/ or do anything dirty to fill my habit, I work I pay honest money but a couple days ago I stopped sniffing and went to IV because I was having to insuffilate way too much to afford my habit throughout the day and IV brought the cost down. 

Some background,

My brother is a heroin addict who lies,cheats,steals and introduced me to the stuff years and years ago and I never did it again up to a couple months ago. My sister also killed herself or accidently OD'd a couple years back and I happen to be the one to find her with my mom.

I deal with severe chronic fatigue and pain (this is before my addiction)  which made life so hard to deal with and made me miserable.  I started taking a perc 30 split up throughout a day or two and then would take a couple days break.  I WAS perscribed Tramadol 100mg ER  4 a day  for the past year but it hardly helped my pain and my doctor and I didnt want me on opiates because I told him my brothers history. 

But after a while I gave up on the tramadol and one day started buying dubs or percs  and would space them out throughout a couple days. .

Eventually almost exactly 3 months later to date I am now using daily 3 times a day NOT even to get high but just to feel normal.  I try to keep my using to a minimum just to keep the pain at bay and the WD at bay but as it sits at this moment I have to get out of bed in the morning and use immediately because of how sore and fatigued I feel from the 12 hours gap between not using. 

Im a strong willed person and I believe I can do this but I just want some advice.  My habit currently costs me nearly 200$ a week.

How can I effectively taper off and stop using.  I cant stop cold turkey because I have too many responsibilities that I can't be out of service like that for that long.  So far I havent hurt anyone around me and I am fully functioning addict that hasn't hurt anyone around me but myself, YET. 

Does anyone know effective ways of tapering off heroin and what kind of regiment I can follow with dosing, diet, etc.  that will most likely get me through this and off this shit?

Thank you all and I love you all, thank you for everything.

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Re: Im addicted to heroin and I want to quit. Looking for sound not judgmental advice. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #21119925 - 01/14/15 10:52 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

if you can get your hands on a few suboxone, or subutex, they'll help greatly.

i can't recommend dosage advice, but if it were me i'd start with say 4mgs, 3.5mg the next day, 3mg the next day and so on until you reach .25mg (believe it or not, 1/4mg of bupe is very strong). you may still feel a bit shitty for a couple days after stopping the subs, but in the long run and if you can stick to a taper, bupe (buprenorphine, the active ingredient in suboxone and subutex) can and will help heaps.

also if you can get your hands on ketamine, taking bumps of K while in w/d takes almost all of the w/d symptoms away. a khole dose takes ALL of the w/d's away. but ketamine can be very phychologically addicting so if you went that route, tread lightly.

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Re: Im addicted to heroin and I want to quit. Looking for sound not judgmental advice. [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #21119964 - 01/14/15 11:06 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Im very familiar with K and I could probably get my hands on it.


When I was talking taper I was referring mostly to a proper taper of H...

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Re: Im addicted to heroin and I want to quit. Looking for sound not judgmental advice. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #21119968 - 01/14/15 11:07 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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How can I effectively taper off and stop using?




This has never been successfully accomplished in the history of heroin addiction. I have no doubt about your sincere desire to quit, but it's just not possible to quit heroin by taking more heroin. The only real options are buprenorphine, methadone, or cold turkey. Good luck.

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Re: Im addicted to heroin and I want to quit. Looking for sound not judgmental advice. [Re: o8u]
    #21120060 - 01/14/15 11:35 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

ibogaine may be worth looking into and seeing if you can get your hands on it.


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Re: Im addicted to heroin and I want to quit. Looking for sound not judgmental advice. [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #21120117 - 01/14/15 11:47 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

In my personal experience the only way to taper would be subs. Do the taper slow, like 2-4 weeks, then switch to kratom once totally off the subs.

As someone has already said it is impossible to taper with iv heroin. Believe me as this is coming from someone who told himself i was going to taper off iv for 2 years before finally getting some subs. There will always be a 'one last time' lol.

And unfortunately there are very few people who can get away with zero ill effects even with an extended taper. Expect 2 or 3 days of at least being weak and getting then runs


Wanting to be clean is half the battle, good job. Now set yourself up for a taper and get the devil that is opiate addiction out of your life. I know how horrifying wd can be, just be glad you arent on probo and at least have the option to start on subs.

Good luck to you, you have my support.

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Re: Im addicted to heroin and I want to quit. Looking for sound not judgmental advice. [Re: Chuckfinely]
    #21120184 - 01/14/15 12:02 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Okay,

Thank you all so much for the support.

I don't even know how to go about getting subs.  And thank you for the advice about tapering.

But until I get subs is it possible to at least taper my use until then to help?  I mean I've only being IV'ing for two days now, up until then I was only sniffing.

What is the best route to cut my use down and stay fully functioning until I can get subs?

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Re: Im addicted to heroin and I want to quit. Looking for sound not judgmental advice. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #21120289 - 01/14/15 12:28 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Stop intravenous use now or your addiction will only get worse. Stick to snorting and take only as much as you need to keep withdrawals at bay. If you're getting high, you're doing it wrong. If you're in the US, this should help you find a suboxone doctor: http://buprenorphine.samhsa.gov/bwns_locator/

If you're not in the US, search for your location and buprenorphine doctor. You really want to do this under a doctor's care.

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Re: Im addicted to heroin and I want to quit. Looking for sound not judgmental advice. [Re: o8u]
    #21120309 - 01/14/15 12:33 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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o8u said:
Stop intravenous use now or your addiction will only get worse. Stick to snorting and take only as much as you need to keep withdrawals at bay. If you're getting high, you're doing it wrong. If you're in the US, this should help you find a suboxone doctor: http://buprenorphine.samhsa.gov/bwns_locator/

If you're not in the US, search for your location and buprenorphine doctor. You really want to do this under a doctor's care.





What kind of an effect will this have on my medical records if I go to a place like this?

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Re: Im addicted to heroin and I want to quit. Looking for sound not judgmental advice. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #21120382 - 01/14/15 12:48 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Everyone is different, but in my experience most people dose WAY too high on bupe, and also dose it for FAR too long. I've used bupe many times to get off of dope, and when I did this is how it would go. Me and my girl were doing a gram around 5x a week, at 100-125/g. When we decided to quit, we wait until we hit the 20-24 hour mark. When the noses started running and the chills started.

At that point we would take an 8mg suboxone strip and cut it in to 8 pieces - 1mg a piece. We would each take 1x 1mg piece every 12 hours for 48 hours. So 1mg at 24 hours, 1mg at 36, 1mg at 48, and 1mg at 60 hours, that would last until around 72 hours.

After 72 hours the worst effects of heroin withdrawal would be gone for me, and I could take the rest in stride.

Now like I said, everyone is different and some people may need it longer or may need more of it. But bupe is very, very strong and it shouldn't be making you feel good. Just taking away WD symptoms. But me and my gf could both detox from heroin splitting a 8mg strip. And we were both using 500$+ a week.

Something people fail to remember, or maybe just dont care is that you build up a tolerance to bupe rather quickly, and before long you will WD from that as well.

Keep it short and simple is my advice and move on.

Best of luck, and you have my utmost respect for realizing where this is going and expressing a will to quit now instead of riding the train to the end like so many others do.


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Re: Im addicted to heroin and I want to quit. Looking for sound not judgmental advice. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #21122271 - 01/14/15 08:03 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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What kind of an effect will this have on my medical records if I go to a place like this?




If you're in the US, it won't have any effect to get an introductory appointment and meet with a doctor as long you're willing to pay out of pocket. He or she will be able to answer more questions than me, but there are really strict procedures in place that protect confidentiality of medical records. You could probably clear up any questions about it over the phone with the doctor's office without even giving your name. The sooner you take real steps to stop your heroin addiction, the better off you'll be.

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Re: Im addicted to heroin and I want to quit. Looking for sound not judgmental advice. [Re: o8u]
    #21123497 - 01/15/15 01:39 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

OP, sad to hear about a fellow shroomer falling to the darkside, but good to see you're actually stepping up to ask for help :thumbup:

I haven't dealt with heroin or addictions myself, I just know it's a harder form of things like smoking, I mean the same dynamic of getting anxious, not feeling loved and supported, feeling afraid, and then covering up that fear and felt isolation with the heroin.

As you may have noticed, that doesn't last for too long, as it just throws a rug over the anxiety and loneliness, and like with smoking, pretty soon the spell is over, one is faced with the same problem again.

I'd like to ask:
- Do you still have addicts in your life? Brother or anybody else?
- Have you tried tripping (shroomies) together with your significant other? IMO a combination of MAOI + shrooms, in the company of someone who loves and understands you, can go a long long way towards calming the deeper anxiety and loneliness that pushes you to use now. But you WILL need some time, some Syrian Rue or other MAOI, some shroomies and a fellow female human (or dude if you're gay) that actually likes you. There's something about the skin contact and body heat together with tripping, this is how primates share deep emotions and get a lot of calming effects from.

Please look into this as well:



I know you may not have the time, cash or otherwise the possibility for an Aya session, that's what I gave you an option with the MAOI+shroomies+loving tripping partner.

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  I cant stop cold turkey because I have too many responsibilities that I can't be out of service like that for that long.



The fact that you mention this, I hope that I'm wrong in my initial hunch, and that you're not minimizing the current predicament you've put yourself in. I know things are manageable now, but if you zoom out and look at your orbit, your trajectory, if you extrapolate it for a few months and years, you can probably see and feel where it leads.

Because it's a downward spiral, slow but quite steady, I absolutely invite you to start putting the proper time and attention into this. Get the shroomies. Get the MAOI. Get the time to do them WITH someone meaningful by your side. If you don't have a girl like that in your life yet, then take the time to find her, or you'll spend WAY more time doing the stop-relapse pattern, trying to throw all manner of fruitless pills and crap at the problem. My 2 cents at least.


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Re: Im addicted to heroin and I want to quit. Looking for sound not judgmental advice. [Re: Spacerific]
    #21127766 - 01/16/15 02:20 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

http://eboka.info/

good info. on ibogaine
folks on same path
forum, links ...
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    #21127867 - 01/16/15 03:41 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Like someone else said if you're in the US, I would get on suboxone just because it will get you away from that scene and give you some space to breath.  You can look up one in your area online.  I would highly recommend calling around to see if anyone will take your insurance (unless you really insist on paying out of pocket, but that shit is confidential) or at least get the best price, because that varies alot as do the type of treatment that goes along with suboxone.  You may find you don't like it, but give it a chance and it will provide a good stepping stone to recovery.  Its not a miracle drug but it has certain benefits as far as quitting for alot of people.

It is theoretically possible to taper down off any opiate and quit with sheer willpower, even heroin, but it is rare and if you're really serious about getting off it will pay to get into some sort of program or counseling.  You sound like me in that there's probably some underlying problems you'll have to deal with so that when you quit you don't end up in the same place or worse.  I never ended up a scumbag either but when I started to feel empty and tired enough that I maybe didn't care about that so much anymore, I knew something had to change.

You've also got to cut ties with people.  Stop calling and answering calls for the people who you know are not fully behind you getting clean.  I don't think you've got to turn your back on true friends but dealers and people that you went in on bags with and got high are not your real friends.

If you need help with a taper I would say cut dose as low as possible, then reduce dose by 1/3 every week.  It really honestly doesn't matter, and nobody is going to be able to prescribe a taper that is painless IME.  It is always going to depend on you plowing forward and being strong.  In some ways it is worse than cold turkey because it can feel like it is taking forever, and you never feel totally ok.  It is like getting into a cold pool of water though.  Some people like to inch their way in and some people just cannonball and get it over with.

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Re: Im addicted to heroin and I want to quit. Looking for sound not judgmental advice. [Re: moonrockmushy]
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Re: Im addicted to heroin and I want to quit. Looking for sound not judgmental advice. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #21142806 - 01/19/15 07:46 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Ibogaine has 85% success rate in the treatment of heroin addicts and is also successful in treating many other addictions.

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Re: Im addicted to heroin and I want to quit. Looking for sound not judgmental advice. [Re: dipdip]
    #21147815 - 01/20/15 02:45 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Ibogaine treatements have that rate with people who know what they are doing. Ibogaine can also cause dangerous heart problems. Consider IBO if you have the money for at trip to South america or are going there anyway.

Consider AA if you cannot stay sober after the initial phase of getting past withdrawl The support groups add acountability, a sponsor adds someone you can always talk to, and the steps offer some meditation on yourself and help you right some wrongs so you can be at peace emotionally.

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Re: Im addicted to heroin and I want to quit. Looking for sound not judgmental advice. [Re: tommydervan]
    #21148015 - 01/20/15 05:16 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Ibogaine is crazy expensive, and as was said above, can cause heart problems.

Ayahuasca on the other hand, while it may not have the flashy "cures you from one trip 85% of the time" statistics, it's perfectly safe and still has a pretty good track record of helping with addiction. Things like "raises long term serotonin levels" should tell ya something OP.



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