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Old computers questions
    #21102488 - 01/11/15 03:27 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Hi folks,

Firstly, I'm sorry because my questions may seem silly for many computer expert here, but....I  belive that sometimes “silly questions” will lead -at least- to an enhancement of my knowledge....

I have no experience on building a PC.....anyway I have collected (for various reasons) a lot of old desktop, as well as other pieces of hardware, and I was wondering if I could assemble some pieces of these computers for to build something of usable, or at least if it's worthy to use some old pieces for to assemble a new one, buying the bare minimum.

Among other “pieces”, I have :

- a desktop Dell Optiplex 320, whit a Intel Celeron D processor. It have some problems with its power supply (it suddenly turn off), but....the other pieces seem to be ok.

-a desktop Fujitsu-Siemens Scaleo P, whit an Intel Core2 processor, NVIDIA graphic card. Its hard drive (and probably -even the graphic card ) is gone.

- a  motherboard Asus F2 A85 -MLE, still in the box, never used.

-a desktop Hewlett-Packard Vectra, not sure about the model, but it was made for to work with Windows 95, and it is still working


My questions:

a) According to the manual, the power pack of the  Fujitsu-Siemens is a 350W; will it burn everything if I put it on the Dell (that was made whit a power supply of 280W)? Or there is a way for to adapt it to the Dell?

b) Could I use the hard disk of the Dell, whit the power pack, the case and the DVD driver of the  Fujitsu-Siemens, whit the Asus motherboard + a new processor and a new Ram ? Is it difficult to assemble ? And ....is it worthy ?

c) There is any possible utilization for the HP?

Thanks in advance for any opinion.

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Re: Old computers questions [Re: OpenQwerty]
    #21102837 - 01/11/15 04:38 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I'm sorry if my response is fairly vague, but a quick google isn't immediately revealing the results I really need to inform myself/you because the parts are quite old.

A) I think you could put the 350W PSU (Power Supply Unit) in the Dell with regards to the power it can output, however, the important think to find out is which format/form factor the PSU/motherboards you want to use are. For example my PSU is ATX, and my motherboard is also ATX. If it was, for example, SFX, it just wouldn't work because nothing would fit. Read more here:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/power-supply-specifications-atx-reference,review-32338-3.html

B) That working PSU is quite old. You need to find out what form factor the PSU is. Actually, I've just checked, and the Asus motherboard is micro-atx. It's almost certain that the old PSU is not micro-atx, and will not work.

C) I don't know. I guess you could use it for windows 95? Not much more off the top of my head. Maybe you could use it for retro games or something? Perhaps somebody else will have a more novel idea.

These are the factors which influence compatibility of parts:
PSU, CASE & motherboard form factor: These need to be the same. Whether it's ATX, Micro-ATX, SFX etc. They are a specific size and have certain connectors.
Processor and motherboard socket: These need to be the same 'socket'. For example with intel you have socket 775, or socket 1155. They are generally not interchangeable. The socket for the Asus motherboard is 'AMD Socket FM2'. This means that you would need an AMD Socket FM2 processor. This also mean you need to decide between the main brands (which are AMD an Intel). Just keep them the same and make sure the socket is the same.
Memory type: DDR2, DDR3, DDR4 etc.
Hard Drive type: Is it SATA 2.0 (3Gb/s) or Sata 3.0 (6Gb/s) etc

^In general when building a PC I choose the processor first, then from that choose a suitable motherboard and case, and then PSU and RAM. The reason for this is that the CPU speed kind of determines everything else, and can vary greatly. If the computer was for producing music, I'd want a mid-range to high-end CPU and would spend a lot of money. If it was just for browsing the web then I could settle for a different cpu and spend less.

I then choose the case and motherboard. That's because they need to support each other, and I'd want a case which suited my room etc. I'd usually get a mid-range motherboard at the very least, because you don't want to buy complete junk which won't last two minutes.

I'd then determine the PSU and RAM because I should have already decided on a budget and know whether I need a high spec PC or not. The PSU just needs to be of fairly decent quality (cheap crappy ones won't last very long). Google is your friend here.

If I was you I would work with the new motherboard, rather than try and source old technology which may be faulty, or work with old faulty parts.

Your motherboard specifications mean that you would need the following.
Case: Micro-ATX,
PSU Format/form factor: ATX (so you need an ATX PSU)
CPU: AMD Athlon Socket FM2 A-Series
Memory/RAM: DDR3 Ram
Hard Drive: SATA 3.0 6Gb/s hard drive

The motherboard already has integrated graphics, so there is no need for a graphics card.

Sorry, this probably isn't the best response. I build my own computers but I'm no expert. Basically the computers/motherboard you have are from totally different generations. If they were a few years apart in terms of release date, then you could probably get away with swapping the parts. But they're from different generations completely.

Find out which form factor the Fujitsu-Siemens PSU is and you can see if it would fit the dell. :smile:

Building computers is surprisingly fun/addictive. Give it a shot, but remember to treble-check everything on google first.

Hope that helps.

Edited by Trancedd (01/12/15 07:49 AM)

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Re: Old computers questions [Re: OpenQwerty]
    #21105068 - 01/11/15 11:38 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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OpenQwerty said:
My questions:

a) According to the manual, the power pack of the  Fujitsu-Siemens is a 350W; will it burn everything if I put it on the Dell (that was made whit a power supply of 280W)? Or there is a way for to adapt it to the Dell?

b) Could I use the hard disk of the Dell, whit the power pack, the case and the DVD driver of the  Fujitsu-Siemens, whit the Asus motherboard + a new processor and a new Ram ? Is it difficult to assemble ? And ....is it worthy ?

c) There is any possible utilization for the HP?

Thanks in advance for any opinion.




A: Probably not going to work. Older Dells from my experience, used a proprietary 24 pin connector so only Dell PSUs would work with them. Not sure if that applies to your particular model or not.
But if it does work.. it's not going to burn anything unless it's a faulty shitty PSU.
Most PSUs and motherboards use a standard connector so all relatively modern ATX PSUs will work with any modern motherboard. The problem comes with some of these OEM systems using proprietary connections, and OEM PSUs being generally shit, and only having enough wattage to power the system they were designed for, so Frankensteining OEM systems together may be tricky.
But the wattage isn't going to hurt anything. If a system only uses 280watts, the PSU will only put out 280watts. It doesn't matter if it's a 350watt PSU or a 1500watt PSU.  The rating on the PSU just denotes the max wattage it can output. A system will only pull as much power as it needs.

B. Worthy for what? You didn't mention what you are using the PC for? Gaming? Word processing? Internet only?
The Asus motherboard you listed is a relatively modern one, so it should be fine to start with. However depending what you are doing with it, you may want to invest in a better quality, higher wattage PSU (PSU is the lifeblood of your system and a shitty OEM PSU A: Wont provide enough power for most graphics cards and B: may fail and possibly take out other components with it.)

From Dell's specs it came with a 80GB HDD and a 160GB one. You could use those in the system as backup drives or whatever, but that isn't that much space. Most people these days are running 500GB or 1TB drives for storage.

C: That thing is fucking ancient, in computer technology terms its back in the dinosaur era.
I can't think of any possible use for it. A $40 Raspberry Pi probably has more processing power than that thing. I would recycle it personally.

Generally speaking OEM systems (especially much older ones) use shitty ass components and I wouldn't really consider salvaging them for parts for a decent modern system, aside from Hard drives, for extra backup storage or something. But you may be able to put them together for some backup server or a crappy media center or something.. I dunno.


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Re: Old computers questions [Re: Shroomism]
    #21106007 - 01/12/15 06:11 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Generally speaking OEM systems (especially much older ones) use shitty ass components and I wouldn't really consider salvaging them for parts for a decent modern system, aside from Hard drives, for extra backup storage or something. But you may be able to put them together for some backup server or a crappy media center or something.. I dunno.







Those old drives are probably ide 5400 rpm drives. if you can use them, run a drive fitness test on them to make sure there are no bad sectors, ect. As cheap as new, faster drives are you be better off just not using them, imo.

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Re: Old computers questions [Re: mycomyst]
    #21107452 - 01/12/15 12:26 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Very good point indeed.


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