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Re: Zimmerman arrested domestic violence w/ weapon [Re: akira_akuma]
#21102085 - 01/11/15 02:01 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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When have I contradicted myself?
when you said Trayvon should have attacked Zimmerman like a dog.
but really. you have no idea what "logic" or a "logical inference" is... so you have no reason to be talking right now.
I do know what both of those terms mean. Assuming I didn't was illogical in itself.
You thought I was serious when I said that? And I'm the one unable to grasp a simple concept. Grasp sarcasm.
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Re: Zimmerman arrested domestic violence w/ weapon [Re: larry.fisherman]
#21102087 - 01/11/15 02:02 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: ok, so you can contradict your own views and still consider yourself logical?
just stop breathing then.
When have I contradicted myself?
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XLCaps said: I would have went out and kicked the guy's ass too. He followed him to his house. That's asking for trouble. I don't need people causing shit at my home, especially if you know it's because they are profiling you because of your race.
Following someone isn't against the law in Florida. Savagely beating somebody is. Do you see why this killing was justifiable?
You have no soul.
Care to explain why?
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Re: Zimmerman arrested domestic violence w/ weapon [Re: akira_akuma]
#21102091 - 01/11/15 02:02 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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He had no legal obligation to do so. Why would he announce himself to a suspected criminal? And you're logical, right?
suspected =/= definite
again, words; which you misunderstand.
but yeah... he would announce himself to someone he is following, because then he wouldn't be a suspected threat to said person.
see, this is the meaning of the word SUSPECT.
Apparently you do not understand the meaning of 'suspected', as Zimmerman was only a suspected threat to Trayvon. You don't have the right to attack someone because you 'suspect' they're a threat.
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Re: Zimmerman arrested domestic violence w/ weapon [Re: D.M.T]
#21102094 - 01/11/15 02:03 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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D.M.T said: A guy followed me through a forest once in a park known for homosexual activity. Know what I did? I started running and left immediately. I didn't go back and take my chances fighting him. Reasonable people will try to get away from danger, morons will fight it. Trayvon Martin was a moron.
couldn't agree more. but that doesn't change the definition of words or the meaning of them. or the meaning of the purpose of stalking... the purpose of stalking is to perpetrate against a person, and put them or one's self in danger of being perpetrated against.
following is what Zimmerman would have been doing if he had kept tabs on Trayvon while not being a threat to Trayvon. hence, announcing his keeping tabs would have been a smart and logical idea. but Zimmerman is a moron. a fat stupid slimy moron who looks very American.
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Re: Zimmerman arrested domestic violence w/ weapon [Re: D.M.T]
#21102097 - 01/11/15 02:04 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Apparently you do not understand the meaning of 'suspected', as Zimmerman was only a suspected threat to Trayvon. You don't have the right to attack someone because you 'suspect' they're a threat.
no, i do understand, as i just explained it. and you're right, though. same logic applies to both parties however. you don't have the right be threatening to anyone. both in stalking them, or attacking them.
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Re: Zimmerman arrested domestic violence w/ weapon [Re: Enlil]
#21102099 - 01/11/15 02:05 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Yeah, not so much.
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Jeantel said Martin told her the man watching him was a "creepy-ass cracker." She recalled suggesting that the man might be a rapist. She went on to say that Martin told her he was going to try to elude the man, and that the teen left the area but that he was still being followed. Jeantel said she told him to run, but Martin replied that he was close to his father's fiance's house. Shortly after, Martin told Jeantel he would run home and then the phone went dead.
Later in her testimony, Jeantel said that when she called Martin back, he told her "the nigga is behind me." Jeantel said she heard a bump and then the sound of "wet grass." She said she heard Martin say "get off," the call was cut off and she never spoke to Martin again.CLICK HERE FOR LIVE UPDATES
Jeantel said Martin told her the man watching him was a "creepy-ass cracker." She recalled suggesting that the man might be a rapist. She went on to say that Martin told her he was going to try to elude the man, and that the teen left the area but that he was still being followed. Jeantel said she told him to run, but Martin replied that he was close to his father's fiance's house. Shortly after, Martin told Jeantel he would run home and then the phone went dead.
Later in her testimony, Jeantel said that when she called Martin back, he told her "the nigga is behind me." Jeantel said she heard a bump and then the sound of "wet grass." She said she heard Martin say "get off," the call was cut off and she never spoke to Martin again. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/26/rachel-jeantel-trayvon-martin_n_3505587.html
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Re: Zimmerman arrested domestic violence w/ weapon [Re: Webster10]
#21102103 - 01/11/15 02:05 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I do know what both of those terms mean. Assuming I didn't was illogical in itself.
You thought I was serious when I said that? And I'm the one unable to grasp a simple concept. Grasp sarcasm.
and you cannot grasp sarcasm. nice.
PS: i'm not assuming... i'm curious if you do or not, based on your proposition of your understanding of the word "stalk".
i mean, i can explain this to you all day and you still seemingly won't understand the word "stalk".
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Re: Zimmerman arrested domestic violence w/ weapon [Re: akira_akuma]
#21102111 - 01/11/15 02:07 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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He had no legal obligation to do so. Why would he announce himself to a suspected criminal? And you're logical, right?
suspected =/= definite
again, words; which you misunderstand.
but yeah... he would announce himself to someone he is following, because then he wouldn't be a suspected threat to said person.
see, this is the meaning of the word SUSPECT.
You think it is a good idea to announce your presence to a suspected criminal? So logical.
He had no legal obligation to announce himself. Martin in solely culpable for any feeling of threat.
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Re: Zimmerman arrested domestic violence w/ weapon [Re: Citizen X]
#21102120 - 01/11/15 02:08 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, nothing in there supports your claim. The witness didn't testify that Zimmerman was the aggressor, and your link doesn't say she did.
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Re: Zimmerman arrested domestic violence w/ weapon [Re: akira_akuma]
#21102122 - 01/11/15 02:09 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I do know what both of those terms mean. Assuming I didn't was illogical in itself.
You thought I was serious when I said that? And I'm the one unable to grasp a simple concept. Grasp sarcasm.
and you cannot grasp sarcasm. nice.
PS: i'm not assuming... i'm curious if you do or not, based on your proposition of your understanding of the word "stalk".
i mean, i can explain this to you all day and you still seemingly won't understand the word "stalk".
Again with this stalking nonsense.
I am FULLY aware of the definition of stalk according to google.
I just realize that google's definition has no weight on a court case. You can't seem to grasp this. Poor you.
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Re: Zimmerman arrested domestic violence w/ weapon [Re: Webster10]
#21102123 - 01/11/15 02:09 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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You think it is a good idea to announce your presence to a suspected criminal? So logical.
He had no legal obligation to announce himself. Martin in solely culpable for any feeling of threat.
i think it's a good idea to not profile people.
his suspicion was specious. hence, in case i need to be clearer here... hence it was wrong.
you know what that word means, right? or do i have to explain what "wrong" means?
PS: you're right, Trayvon is absolutely responsible for feeling threatened. so is Zimmerman.
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Re: Zimmerman arrested domestic violence w/ weapon [Re: Webster10]
#21102128 - 01/11/15 02:11 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I do know what both of those terms mean. Assuming I didn't was illogical in itself.
You thought I was serious when I said that? And I'm the one unable to grasp a simple concept. Grasp sarcasm.
and you cannot grasp sarcasm. nice.
PS: i'm not assuming... i'm curious if you do or not, based on your proposition of your understanding of the word "stalk".
i mean, i can explain this to you all day and you still seemingly won't understand the word "stalk".
Again with this stalking nonsense.
I am FULLY aware of the definition of stalk according to google.
I just realize that google's definition has no weight on a court case. You can't seem to grasp this. Poor you.
google's definition is THE DEFINITION. the definition that diction dictates is shared between alot of sources... most even... save American law.
ie American law is illogical stupid fat-people crap.
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Re: Zimmerman arrested domestic violence w/ weapon [Re: akira_akuma]
#21102131 - 01/11/15 02:12 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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As out turned out. Martin was a violent criminal.
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Re: Zimmerman arrested domestic violence w/ weapon [Re: akira_akuma]
#21102147 - 01/11/15 02:16 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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You think it is a good idea to announce your presence to a suspected criminal? So logical.
He had no legal obligation to announce himself. Martin in solely culpable for any feeling of threat.
i think it's a good idea to not profile people.
his suspicion was specious.
And the debate topic shifts once again 
What do you think profiling(in this context) is? It is factoring in crime statistics into your decision making when pursuing justice. It would be inefficient to not look at these statistics and view everyone person as equally likely to commit a crime. A certain race, IN REALITY commits more crime than the rest. Putting priority on people of this race when pursuing justice is not because of the race itself, but because of the crimes that race commits. Racial profiling doesn't mean you hate a certain race and focus on people of the race for that reason only. It means you look at the actual stats and focus on the race with the worst stats. There is nothing wrong with profiling.
His suspicion was the opposite of specious. He predicted Martin was a criminal and he was 100% right.
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Re: Zimmerman arrested domestic violence w/ weapon [Re: Webster10]
#21102155 - 01/11/15 02:17 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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he can future-suspect? wow, a time traveller.
PS: profiling is against the law in any sensible place of law. because profiling is a perpetration of a person.
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Re: Zimmerman arrested domestic violence w/ weapon [Re: akira_akuma]
#21102158 - 01/11/15 02:18 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nice edit you made one claim, the rest of the edit was some flaming I guess you felt the need to add. Did it make you feel better?
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so is Zimmerman
Nope. Someone shouldn't be in fear or someone who is operating within the law.
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Re: Zimmerman arrested domestic violence w/ weapon [Re: akira_akuma]
#21102163 - 01/11/15 02:19 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: he can future-suspect? wow, a time traveller.
This is all you're going to address?
He predicted correctly, using his intuition combined with statistics, not time travel
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Re: Zimmerman arrested domestic violence w/ weapon [Re: akira_akuma]
#21102167 - 01/11/15 02:20 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: because profiling is a perpetration of a person.
Is this English?
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Re: Zimmerman arrested domestic violence w/ weapon [Re: akira_akuma]
#21102169 - 01/11/15 02:20 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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google's definition is THE DEFINITION. the definition that diction dictates is shared between alot of sources... most even... save American law.
ie American law is illogical stupid fat-people crap.
Wow you're getting heated, keep it coming.
And even if it is inconsistent with other definitions, it's the only definition that matters in a court of law. That must drive you crazy.
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Re: Zimmerman arrested domestic violence w/ weapon [Re: Webster10]
#21102170 - 01/11/15 02:21 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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a prediction doesn't apply to whether Trayvon was a criminal. the only reason Trayvon attacked him is because he was stalking him.
hence he caused his own attack, by using your own logic.
i'd say he suspected wrong, and got attacked because of it; logically.
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