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    #21100940 - 01/11/15 10:29 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

In my text books I read about the benefits in gaming. I believe the main idea is that it helps to promote healthy cognition through speed skills, accuracy, and good ol' amusement.

I have been inspired to play a game of Rise of Nations. But I am going to play on hard and make sure it is a fair fight. I like playing 2 v 2 with one computer as my teammate.

Of course you also hear of video game violence and learning theories. I tend to agree with the studies, but I still promote gory gaming because I always loved it. I am biased. I kind of view video games as art and freedom.

Time to destroy empires..


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"Young adults who play action video games have improved attentional capacity. Experienced players have more efficient eye movements and scan a display more quickly, automatically appraising such features as the number of items in a display without having to count. Action video games speed up the player's reaction time while preserving the accuracy of performance, abilities that could have real-world benefits in areas such as driving.

Players of these games also have more attentional resources that they can devote to rapidly changing inputs, meaning that they will make finer-grained distinctions and, therefore, better decisions. They are also better able to focus their attentions and ignore distracting or irrelevant information. These effects are not only due to self-selection (i.e., people with better attentional resources are more likely to play these games) but have also been backed up by experimental training studies."

Whitbourne, S. K., & Whitbourne, S. B. (2014). Adult Development & Aging: Biopsychosocial Perspectives. Wiley.

The text goes on to conclude that, since 1990, video gaming has improved speeded performance in adults. They don't define what speeded performance is, but if I had to guess I would say: the general speed at which cognitive resources can be used.

These are interesting ideas.




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Re: Video Games [Re: XUL]
    #21101006 - 01/11/15 10:39 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Kids in south Korea are dying literally from playing to many games, they got rehabs for it there, I saw a documentary on it ,,,kid played for 54hours and fell over dead.

It could happen to you!:tongue:


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Re: Video Games *DELETED* [Re: XUL]
    #21101025 - 01/11/15 10:42 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Video Games [Re: XUL] * 1
    #21101124 - 01/11/15 10:56 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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XUL said:
In my text books I read about the benefits in gaming. I believe the main idea is that it helps to promote healthy cognition through speed skills, accuracy, and good ol' amusement.

I have been inspired to play a game of Rise of Nations. But I am going to play on hard and make sure it is a fair fight. I like playing 2 v 2 with one computer as my teammate.

Of course you also hear of video game violence and learning theories. I tend to agree with the studies, but I still promote gory gaming because I always loved it. I am biased. I kind of view video games as art and freedom.


Time to destroy empires..




Well this makes sense, as a human you are by nature violent and irrational.


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Re: Video Games [Re: Icelander] * 2
    #21101141 - 01/11/15 10:58 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Gaming = a waste of life IMO

Sure skills can be developed with it, but I'm sure they can also be developed in ways all the more wholesome and productive.


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Re: Video Games [Re: Lakefingers]
    #21101253 - 01/11/15 11:21 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

For the sake of cognitive improvement, are computer games worth playing from time to time? What about for older adults?

I was reading about video games for adult development. Apparently exercising your mind in certain ways has been shown to help maintain cognition, in an attempt to delay the effects of aging.

I will find a quote. At this point I am just blabbing about something I read. Give me a second.


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Re: Video Games [Re: XUL]
    #21101312 - 01/11/15 11:27 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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XUL said:
For the sake of cognitive improvement, are computer games worth playing from time to time? What about for older adults?




Specifically strategy games: Yes, as much or more so than playing chess.


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Re: Video Games [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #21101321 - 01/11/15 11:29 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Jokeshopbeard said:
Gaming = a waste of life IMO

Sure skills can be developed with it, but I'm sure they can also be developed in ways all the more wholesome and productive.





Why a waste.  Do you know something I don't?


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Re: Video Games [Re: Kickle] * 1
    #21101387 - 01/11/15 11:43 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

"Young adults who play action video games have improved attentional capacity. Experienced players have more efficient eye movements and scan a display more quickly, automatically appraising such features as the number of items in a display without having to count. Action video games speed up the player's reaction time while preserving the accuracy of performance, abilities that could have real-world benefits in areas such as driving.

Players of these games also have more attentional resources that they can devote to rapidly changing inputs, meaning that they will make finer-grained distinctions and, therefore, better decisions. They are also better able to focus their attentions and ignore distracting or irrelevant information. These effects are not only due to self-selection (i.e., people with better attentional resources are more likely to play these games) but have also been backed up by experimental training studies."

Whitbourne, S. K., & Whitbourne, S. B. (2014). Adult Development & Aging: Biopsychosocial Perspectives. Wiley.

The text goes on to conclude that, since 1990, video gaming has improved speeded performance in adults. They don't define what speeded performance is, but if I had to guess I would say: the general speed at which cognitive resources can be used.

These are interesting ideas.

Quote:

Specifically strategy games: As much or more so than playing chess.




I always thought chess was a great one too. Have you ever played timed chess? I found it to be much more difficult.


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Re: Video Games [Re: XUL]
    #21101415 - 01/11/15 11:48 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I play better when I'm high, always on the spot with them. :crazy2:


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That man becomes one with God
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Re: Video Games [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #21101565 - 01/11/15 12:18 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Jokeshopbeard said:
Gaming = a waste of life IMO

Sure skills can be developed with it, but I'm sure they can also be developed in ways all the more wholesome and productive.




A waste? Perhaps if used inappropriately, the same way that any drug can be misused, but I'd disagree otherwise.
Games have a lot of appeal to us humans and provide excellent distractions/shields for while we're hanging around in the middle of the ride.

We love suspense too, and games in general add a little bit of that unknowing in our otherwise plainly-laid-out lives.
Part of it is a love of failure, as well. To win indefinitely would be boring, it would lack suspense, and that would not successfully draw the mind away from that continuous thrumming DA, it would not make a very good distraction.

As for the wholesomeness or productivity of video gaming in particular, sometimes I've got to put the utilitarian in me on the shelf for a bit and let the hedonist down for a while.
Juggle distraction and be merry. This life only happens once, so let's not take it too seriously. :tongue2:

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Re: Video Games [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #21102468 - 01/11/15 03:24 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Jokeshopbeard said:
Gaming = a waste of life IMO

Sure skills can be developed with it, but I'm sure they can also be developed in ways all the more wholesome and productive.





I make video games for a living. I have a 6 figure salary.  I enjoy my work tremendously and I do not hate my job.  Are are implying that my life is a waste and that I am not "productive"?  If so I take great offense to that.


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Re: Video Games [Re: OppiumNitrates] * 2
    #21102867 - 01/11/15 04:43 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Why take offense to someone on the internet?
I mean I know its instinctual but still don't waste your time being mad.

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Re: Video Games [Re: OppiumNitrates] * 1
    #21102925 - 01/11/15 04:59 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Why a waste.  Do you know something I don't?




Not at all man, it's just subjective opinion. I have friends who massively enjoy computer games and friends who don't. I just wanted to stir up a discussion about it while we're on the matter.


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Tropism said:
A waste? Perhaps if used inappropriately, the same way that any drug can be misused, but I'd disagree otherwise.
Games have a lot of appeal to us humans and provide excellent distractions/shields for while we're hanging around in the middle of the ride.





You're spot on Trop, I do agree. I see a lot of addiction to these games in people I know, and as you say, much in the same way that drugs can cause addiction. I also appreciate the need for distraction. I appreciate hearing your balanced approach.


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I make video games for a living. I have a 6 figure salary.  I enjoy my work tremendously and I do not hate my job.  Are are implying that my life is a waste and that I am not "productive"?  If so I take great offense to that.




Man, I meant no offence. I work in a similar field to you - I build software for the financial sector (which, incidentally, I do feel is a waste also). I was just stating an opinion in no way meant to offend anyone.

I must ask though, being that you equate it so, why would you state that your life would be a waste because someone (I didn't) disagreed with your line of work?


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Re: Video Games [Re: saintdextro] * 2
    #21102931 - 01/11/15 05:01 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Reminds me of the lab experiments where rats would ignore food to the point of starvation when scientists let them keep pressing a button that would stimulate parts of their brain associated with pleasure and reward, like human junkies losing weight.

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Re: Video Games [Re: quartet]
    #21105196 - 01/12/15 12:24 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Jokeshopbeard said:

Man, I meant no offence. I work in a similar field to you - I build software for the financial sector (which, incidentally, I do feel is a waste also). I was just stating an opinion in no way meant to offend anyone.

I must ask though, being that you equate it so, why would you state that your life would be a waste because someone (I didn't) disagreed with your line of work?




I never stated that my life is a waste. I asked if you are implying that my life is a waste because I work in the game industry.

It's hard not to be offended when someone implys that you are wasting your life even if it is just some random on the Internet.  And maybe offended was too strong of a word (I'm not writing a letter to my Congressman or anything). But it does upset me a little especially since it is something I am very passionate about that has a negative connotation surrounding it because people cherry pick aspects of gaming that do cast a negative light on it. I just would rather people are educated about the positives of it and not focused on the the negatives only. (kind of like certain drugs which the government says are bad with no medical use and the public believes them, but it is clearly not true when the research is done)

This is a blanket statement which I have heard too many times in my life. It is simply not true.

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Jokeshopbeard said:
Gaming = a waste of life IMHO





Even if it is your opinion, IMHO, it's an uneducated one. Yes anyone binge playing games for 24 hours straight is not healthy and games can be addicting, but you can say that about just about anything.

Here are a just 2 examples of positive things that games have done.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/25/online-gamers-solving-sciences-biggest-problems

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2013/10/gamers-help-solve-a-ten-year-hiv-puzzle-in-ten-days/


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Re: Video Games [Re: OppiumNitrates]
    #21105312 - 01/12/15 12:46 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Since the interplay of simulation and stimulation seem to be basically intermingled in our most realistic conceptions of experience itself, it would seem only more difficult to disentangle them in a case which seems to particularly call this to mind.

If the general idea here is in finding videogames to be a kind of embodied practice, I think this is interesting to think about. I think finding a practice in nature or physicality seems important, but at the same time of course this doesn't discount the potential benefits of practice in mediated environment. After all this is what practice is, and practice is a very valuable thing to have.

The philosophical question I would pose in general is in what rarified forms, and in what forseeable limitations will the benefits of this particularly mediated practice be achieved? Will it be worth the time to have dexterous thumbs? Hopefully gamers understand the hyperbole. Of course a practice is a matter of what we individually choose to embody, and value as such! The question is an open ended philosophical one. I think you will have the claims of rarified benefits of playing videogames on the one hand, which might actually be pretty interesting to consider. But in any case you will have the the claims of the limitations of these benefits, expressed by holists on the other hand.

Maybe this is just because we have to be critical about the specifically posed philosophical question though... So what about holistic practices? I can count the benefits of some herbal tonic or tisane.... treats enflamation, a nice mild effect on digestion, and there are so many other useful benefits cited without any real risk of side effects...It is indeed a beautiful thing. It is great, but I notice a thing about benefits of holistic lifestyle, is that my life must already be going great for me to have these benefits. I mean if things are going pretty bad on the other hand, I doubt a cup of ginseng is going to perk me up and make me all sunshiny.

Hence to be fair there is a limitation to holism too, in that it works only on the very cusp of experience. It may not be stimulating enough at times. And here is a very important point to sink in for holists: It is not only addicts and lost souls that seek a greater stimulus.

But my last point would still be against what I am calling the seekers of stimulation in simulation. I think there is perceivable limitation of its benefits, which may be questionable to invest in. I notice in experience that specific engagements, such as watching things falling into place or crawling around and jumping around in my face for long periods of time, (broadly speaking any kind of constant stimulation like this...I do some beekeeping incidentally) will sometimes give me residual impressions when I close my eyes and go to sleep. While I don't see this as hurting anything much, I count it as a negative.

To me this is a reminder that I am in a conceptual engagement, a framed view of things and I am for whatever reason somehow playing the fool, not experiencing the world. That of course has to do with me I know, and only I am responsible for it, (as it is my conceptual engagement, and arises from me) but maybe others would still know what I am talking about.

Thanks for reading and for the thoughtful post.

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Re: Video Games *DELETED* [Re: OppiumNitrates]
    #21105720 - 01/12/15 02:31 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Video Games [Re: Lakefingers]
    #21105977 - 01/12/15 05:57 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

this forum is a game


just saying for sake of perspective


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Re: Video Games [Re: Lakefingers]
    #21106275 - 01/12/15 08:30 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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OppiumNitrates said:
I never stated that my life is a waste. I asked if you are implying that my life is a waste because I work in the game industry.




Where did you ask this? You boasted that you make a large salary and you said you enjoy your job. Neither of these points prove your worth or disprove someone's belief that gaming is a waste of time.

That you take "great offense" doesn't mean other opinions are wrong or that you're even justified in taking offense.

If you take "great offense" to strangers' opinions about your interests you're going to have a bad time on Earth. Considering you work with gaming and are in a philosophy-oriented forum at a mushroom website, it's remarkable that you're so sensitive about people whose opinion is that your interests are a waste of time.





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OppiumNitrates said:

I make video games for a living. I have a 6 figure salary.  I enjoy my work tremendously and I do not hate my job.  Are are implying that my life is a waste and that I am not "productive"?  If so I take great offense to that.




I highlighted the question from my previous post so it is easy for you to find. I was also not trying boast but providing evidence that gaming is not a waste but actually a lucrative career for some people. I didn't mean for it to come off as boasting, I guess I could have just said many people make a good living off of making games. 

"That you take "great offense" doesn't mean other opinions are wrong..."

No it doesn't but I provided two links where gaming actually helped the scientific and medical community to prove my point.  You are right though I shouldn't get so worked up about it. As for Earth, I have a great time here man so don't worry about it. :cool:


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