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Invisibletuna
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albino TC encouragement? * 1
    #2109969 - 11/15/03 07:51 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

i have heard of the existance of treasure coast cubies creating an albino substrain at random, and i want to know if there are any ways to make this more likely. i am thinking of using colored lights, but i dont really think it will work. any other ideas?


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    #2109980 - 11/15/03 07:54 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: albino TC encouragement? [Re: Tremor1127]
    #2110008 - 11/15/03 08:04 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

been thinking of looking at this strain lately and as i have never seen it in person i don't really have alot to add.

but would it not be neat to isolate this trait of treasure coast? i am sure it is more diffucult than that or many would have already done so. yet could it not be the future of the spore vendors to sell isolates of the strains along side the strain itself.

i mean sooner or later all of the cubes in the world will be found and you will not see new strains popping up.

i guess the z strain is already an example of this but how come the albino TC is not out there?

just throwing thoughts out :smirk:


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    #2110083 - 11/15/03 08:40 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: albino TC encouragement? [Re: ]
    #2110201 - 11/15/03 09:27 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

well that would explain it bullet, but then again why do they not produce spores? is it some flaw in the genetics of the treasure coast that makes the albino come out?

also i assume that all p. cub. came from the same source at some point and just due to the lightness of a spore, got blown all around the world. so the ones in india and thailand are the same as the ones in florida, just changed over time to better suit the enviro they grow in. would that not be true?

just curious about these things tonight and have no extensive knowledge on the subject, just thinking out loud.




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    #2110505 - 11/16/03 12:10 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: albino TC encouragement? [Re: ]
    #2110514 - 11/16/03 12:16 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

since this albino spin-off is actually just some sort of weird genotype mutation, it isnt really a seperate entity from the Treasure Coast, it cannot be isolated - an example of the flawed genetics of the albino is the fact that it is always sterile.
The above is correct. The albino and other genotype variants of treasure coast display that it isnt a very well domesticated or stable entity = it may perform, or it may produce mutants and there are no variables that will affect this that i am aware of.
When you domesticate a mushroom found in the wild, the stronger sporematch genetics win out in the cultured environment - in time if it always cultivated the same way - other existing phenotype variants will dissappear, making it harder for the mushroom theoritically to adapt to new substrates - environments...


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    #2110545 - 11/16/03 12:31 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: albino TC encouragement? [Re: ]
    #2110573 - 11/16/03 12:48 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Well, I don't know anyting about this, except I have read that theTC strain does sometimes produce albinos. But I found this discusion to be one of the most interesting one's I have read lately. Please keep us updated on your findings and your theories. I would like to rate this thread a 5 mushrooms. I am anxiuous to read more. Thanks to all posters.


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Re: albino TC encouragement? [Re: MisstressChrissha]
    #2110617 - 11/16/03 01:01 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Even though it is a mutant, it can be isolated. It must be able to. The albino traits in animals can be isolated. Still you dont always get albinos, but you can certainly put the odds in your favor. If it doesnt drop spores then you can clone it in myc solution, right? Just opinions here, no factual basis for my reply..


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Re: albino TC encouragement? [Re: pooskooper]
    #2110648 - 11/16/03 01:12 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

my theory is that there is something that decides to create the albino shrooms, a chemical reaction in the mycelium, or a "birth defect" or something... and thus... it MUST be possible to recreate the reaction. the problems are just figuring out what exactly trigures the lack of pigment, and then how to recreate it... where do we start?
here are a couple pics of the albino tc.



i should ad that i have no real information on this topic, all of my ideas are simply that, ideas.


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Re: albino TC encouragement? [Re: tuna]
    #2110715 - 11/16/03 01:58 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

i am currently growing a few crops of tc's and am willing to try any ideas anyone has.


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Re: albino TC encouragement? [Re: tuna]
    #2111316 - 11/16/03 11:29 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

no ideas?


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Re: albino TC encouragement? [Re: tuna]
    #2111841 - 11/16/03 02:52 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

i was thinking along the same lines as pooskooper, in that cloning it could be an option. even if you could not print it due to it being sterile, you should still be able to clone it right? it is such an interesting mutation surely someone has tried this.

so for those that have enlighten us please.

beautiful pics tuna :smile:


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Re: albino TC encouragement? [Re: jumpship]
    #2111923 - 11/16/03 03:20 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

wish they were mine!


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Re: albino TC encouragement? [Re: tuna]
    #2112012 - 11/16/03 03:46 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Interesting article! My take:

Usually an albino organism is created by some genetic variation for the production of an amino acid. I know tyrosine is a common one in animals, but I don't know what causes it in the fungi.

This makes sense, then, because one strain might have a higher allelic rate for a trate like this, or it may even be due to transposons in the genome that can bind to that specific sequence.

I don't know if all of them would be sterile, but it's possible if the mutation causes a reduction in the production of an intermediate on a nessecary metabolic pathway. It's also possible that someone used a non-specific mutagenizing factor to increase the rate of genetic mutations which could easily result in insterillity, but I don't know if UV or anything was used....

If it's just carried in the strain, though, I don't know how you would actually promote the mutation without actually knocking out the tyrosine gene or whatever. Of course, there's always chance....

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Re: albino TC encouragement? [Re: micro]
    #2112148 - 11/16/03 04:43 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

thanks for chiming in mirco, of course there is chance and if you procured enough of these guys sooner or later you would get one.

what is the ratio of the albinos, does anyone know. i mean how many casings would you need to see one. are they fairly common or a 1 in a 1000 type deal. because if you could just get one and clone it you could have lots of spawn.

this just has me intrigued, going to send off for some TC tomorrow and just have some fun. i searched the advanced forum and could find very little about cloning them although i did learn some interesting facts about the history of the strain.

if anyone knows more about this please let us know.


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Re: albino TC encouragement? [Re: jumpship]
    #2112203 - 11/16/03 05:04 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

It would be impossible to say what the frequency of albinoism would be without knowing the exact gene(s) involved in producing the mutation and allelic frequency, if it is hereditary. Honestly, the easiest way I can think of besides trial and error, unless someone has experience growing albinos, would be 96-well plates and assay for whatever the gene inhibits. I haven't heard of too many people simply ending up with albinos by chance, though, so it may take many generations. I did see a reference to TC's randomly forming albino substrains, however.

It seems like Fanaticus actually used UV-radiation to induce mutations to create the PF albino race:

http://www.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/5/7680.html

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Re: albino TC encouragement? [Re: micro]
    #2112349 - 11/16/03 06:05 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

that link is FUCKING AMAZING! that is exactly what i have wanted to know. the black light is coming out tonight!


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Re: albino TC encouragement? [Re: tuna]
    #2112505 - 11/16/03 06:54 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

that is interesting, although it was not a good thing in the end, at least not for the long term survival of the pf strain. does give a clue in how to mutate a strain, but the TC does that without the UV light. i guess that you might could get more albinos with the UV.

so if you could get an albino in this way or another and if you could get a decent amount of them and clone and grow out, sooner or later you might get a viable substrain. ie. one that does not have the problems of not fruiting and such. even if it was unfertile you could still grow out quite a few from one good clone.

just seems like a really cool thing to work with. most likely it has been worked on already and i would love to know any results that anyone has had. also please correct any flaws in my thinking here, mostly i am just speculating.

and tuna please update how your experiments go.



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Re: albino TC encouragement? [Re: jumpship]
    #2112793 - 11/16/03 07:49 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

does anybody remember seeing an experiment(i think it was on the pf web site before he got busted) where they used black lights and the shrooms grew fine at first butt it caused mutations in later generations. i can't remember the details but i thought maybe on of you might remember seeing it


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Re: albino TC encouragement? [Re: Paul808996]
    #2112802 - 11/16/03 07:54 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

yep the link on the first page of this post is to that article. it is near the bottom, it links to mycotopia.


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Re: albino TC encouragement? [Re: jumpship]
    #2113043 - 11/16/03 08:51 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

ok. i missed that before. thanks


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Invisibletuna
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Re: albino TC encouragement? [Re: Paul808996]
    #2113841 - 11/16/03 11:50 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

what about blue LEDs, i hear those accelerate pinning, thus proving that shrooms are sensitive to different wave lengths of light.

also, instead of using a black light, i was thinking of covering the light window in my grow chamber with the same black/purple material... will it work?


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Re: albino TC encouragement? [Re: tuna]
    #2113932 - 11/17/03 12:09 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

It has nothing to do with the color of the light -- it has to do with the energy of the UV light which bonds adjacent thymine molecules in DNA. These are then unable to be transcribed, so the transcriptase enzyme replaces the gene.

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Re: albino TC encouragement? [Re: micro]
    #2118120 - 11/17/03 07:56 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

oh. i see... would a normal black light from spencer's work?


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Re: albino TC encouragement? [Re: tuna]
    #2118163 - 11/17/03 08:15 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

how would a black light be any different from a shroom growing out in the wild that was exposed to a high UV day. is it not UV's that cause mutations in human skin cells? would that also mean that black lights are bad for us, in that they may cause cancer the same way as the sun.

most plants never mutate from the sun, tomatoes produce lycopene to protect themselves against such mutations. the same chemical is good for us if we eat it. i would think mushrooms would be used to UV. is it that black lights produce more than in sunlight?

anyone know? and tuna as far as i know a black light is a black light if you want to pursue this that should work fine.


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Re: albino TC encouragement? [Re: jumpship]
    #2118366 - 11/17/03 09:12 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

The black lights from Spencer's aren't really powerful UV lights -- they don't produce light in very high frequencies. When something's under it constantly, though, it can do damage -- actually black lights like those have been proven to cause cataracts if an organism is in direct contact.

It's possible, but if you want a high rate of mutation you should probably use UV-C radiation.

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Re: albino TC encouragement? [Re: micro]
    #2118544 - 11/17/03 10:24 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

what is a good source of uv-c radiation? i was thinking of putting a smoke detector in my fruiting chamber, those have some sort of radiatoin in them.


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Re: albino TC encouragement? [Re: tuna]
    #2119460 - 11/18/03 10:36 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: albino TC encouragement? [Re: jumpship]
    #2120823 - 11/18/03 06:40 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Ironically,IME, almost albino mushrooms tend to be found in the wild under trees in the shade, protected from excessive UV light. I have found a handful of them in the Jonesville area of florida, growing on horsemanure under thick tree cover. Others I found on cow manure under trees on the gainsville edge of the prarie.

These are completely white except a very small less then a dime, size circle of orange right at the caps center. Everything else is completely white.



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Re: albino TC encouragement? [Re: ]
    #2120914 - 11/18/03 07:31 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

>>Micro

What UV(UV-A or UV-B) are these guys sensitive to?


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Re: albino TC encouragement? [Re: tuna]
    #2958775 - 08/03/04 01:11 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

delayed bump!


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