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OfflinePolecat
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bisporigera, populiphila or other?
    #2109419 - 11/15/03 05:36 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

went hunting some today and I saw this, I think it's an Amanita bisporigera or a populiphila.
should I eat it?lolll.just kidding. talking seriously, when I saw them I felt terrible fear coming from the inside,hehe,spooky.

any opinions in what they might be?


notice it's dimensions comparing with the muscaria's

they're a little bit unclean but I can asure you that they're white


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Re: bisporigera, populiphila or other? [Re: Polecat]
    #2109806 - 11/15/03 08:45 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

This is a photo of some Amanita populiphila I found earlier this year.


Your specimen appears to have remnants of a ring on the stem. Amanita populiphila never has a ring, so I would be more inclined to go with Amanita bisporigera. I'll also note that the volva on the Amanita populiphila specimens I found was extremely fragile and difficult to get out of the ground intact.

To verify that they are close to that species you need a spore print and some Tincture of Iodine (which you can get at the grocery store in the first aid area). Scrape up a small pile of spores from a spore print and apply a drop of iodine. If it changes to a blue-black color, then the spores are amyloid, and your mushroom is likely to be one of the species near Amanita bisporigera. The spores of Amanita populiphila are inamyloid.

To fully verify to species will require a microscope.

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Re: bisporigera, populiphila or other? [Re: ToxicMan]
    #2111164 - 11/16/03 11:44 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: bisporigera, populiphila or other? [Re: angryshroom]
    #2111299 - 11/16/03 01:15 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

very useful info indeed, thanks. by the way I have a microscope but it's only 600x, I've tried to see some spores but it's very small and very difficult to see anything.

is the identification by microscope possible by analyzing something bigger than the spores of the shrooms?



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Re: bisporigera, populiphila or other? [Re: Polecat]
    #2111460 - 11/16/03 02:38 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

600x should be fine for examining spores. I use 400x about 95% of the time. You want to measure the size (both length and width) and note the shape. The main use for higher magnification is examination of the ornamentation on the spores. Amanitas have smooth spores, so you don't need to look for ornamentation.

Since you have a microscope, do the Iodine test on spores under the microscope. It's much easier that way to see if they're amyloid. They will turn an obvious blue color under Iodine if they are.

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Re: bisporigera, populiphila or other? [Re: ToxicMan]
    #2111957 - 11/16/03 05:30 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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