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One of the weirdest things I've noticed about daily conversation
    #21035009 - 12/28/14 11:21 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I want to post this here because I believe this is something very spiritual that I just cant quite put my finger on.  I love spirituality; I like to keep it centered between science and spirituality; 50-50% because we DONT know everything and probably never will about the universe in which we dwell.

I've noticed probably the strangest thing due to my deep thinking about daily conversation with anyone.  It's going to be hard to explain but Ima try.  It scares from time to time lol

Have you ever noticed, in the middle of a normal/regular conversation with one..  You just can't help but think... "I feel like I'm talking to a robot right now." 

It's like... the body that the human's consciousness lies in, is just some sort of.. physical filter that's almost just... automatic with all it's actions..

this is so impossible to explain..  It's almost like.. the physical body just.. isn't supposed to be there and instead, it's supposed to be just the soul of that individual. 

please tell me someone else has noticed something of this sort because it kind of freaks me out sometimes. 

This life shit is soooo damn bizarre. 

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Off topic but still spiritual.. I'd like to add..  A little over a year ago.  I kept messing around with music..  I really sucked but was getting better so I kept trying and trying.  One day I got fed up and was like.. "Alright.. I'm just gonna throw some crap together just too see if I can even sing a full song." 

So I recorded a full song with my guitar.  I fucked up the entire ending with extra verses and just randomness.. I still kept pushing..  On too the next.  I added some harmonics to the whole song.  Okay.. decent.  On too the next.  I added a decent sounding drum kit to the whole song but the placement was so off.  I said, "screw it, on to the next."  Added a bass line to the full song.  Okay decent..  On to the next.  I began writing lyrics...  Anything that I possibly thought of was written down..  Thought it wasn't going to make sense at all..

Began recording the lyrics..  "Hey, this actually makes sense!"  Kept pushing..  Finally got to the very ending where I f'd up the entire end with main guitar.  Added some lyrics and bam..  Holy fuck did I love it! 

Cleaned up everything in this song; the drums, vocals, etc...  I played it for my mom and she began crying!  I couldn't believe it!  Everyone that I've talked too.. Says this song could make me famous easily if I tried. 

Moral of the story:  Writing music is definitely one of the most spiritual things I've ever done.  Too this day..  I still can't explain this song at all.  It actually chokes me up, thats how good it is.  I just can't wrap my mind around this..  It's like this song was just meant to be written at that very point in time or something. 

You know one thing that I've read awhile back..  The ancients said something along the lines of.. "Creativity is a ghostly force that is all around you.  In the walls, air, floor.. Just waiting to come out and help you at the right moment."  I find that extremely interesting when thinking about how I made this song.

If you've read all that, you're seriously awesome! lol  Thanks guys, just figured I'd add my spiritual story of my song..  I'm more interested in a reply of the first section though. :heart:


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Re: One of the weirdest things I've noticed about daily conversation [Re: tripp23]
    #21035232 - 12/28/14 12:09 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

yes, i've noticed this since i was a kid, a lot of people seem very robotic, when i was a teenager as stupid as it sounds i went self imposed loner mode a lot and such because i was disturbed by it and wondered if a lot of people were even conscious lol, id go to school then pretend to be sick when people tried to hang out with me. i can see it a lot though. a lot of people are very robotic or insect like (im not sure on insect anymore because ive observed a lot of insects over time and they're more self conscious and self control-able than a lot of humans). i think it's overall though just the result of people not being anything in themselves but a reaction to outside things, everything is that of course, any object is just a reaction, but you can tell the difference between someone whos ways arent overly influenced by the outside world and someone who just lives life saying 'i feel _____ about _____' in reaction to any event, there's people who actually just feel things all the time, every day, it's very odd. a lot of people you can say a bad thing to and they'll spend much time dwelling on it and feeling bad about it and such, say something nice and they'll do the same and feel good etc, cause there's nobody in there, they're like an extension of others, an extraneous limb waiting to be programmed, a 'wind em up and watch em go' sort of thing.

if you pay attention you'll often find many people aren't even participating in a conversation when you attempt to have one with them, they're just talking to themselves. i've had dozens of times where i've noticed that and to myself was like 'hey, maybe i'm just assuming they're not hearign what i say, maybe i'm the stupid/difficult one here' and i'll test it by saying a random odd response like 'bacon tacos and tomato fritters' (ive said this before), and many of these times the person will respond as if i had said something still in line with the convo, as if they're only interacting with an imaginary me in their head that threw down a piece of paper with a bunch of already there statements to go through, i don't know how to explain it exactly. if you look deep enough it gets really really creepy.

on the song, 'giving up' and not worrying as much is exactly what enabled oyu to make something really good. creativity is 'all around' you in a way, it's just that we can tend to get stuck in a sort of tunnel vision of things, remain as a 'learner' always and not move foreward. the conscious mind is for learning new skills and ways and such, but eventually it has to be given over to the other side or subconscious or whatnot, the 'all around you'. think of it like riding a bike, if you forever focused heavy on it, how the pedals feel and move and your balance and this and that, you'll forever just look and be really akwardly and overly deliberate when you ride a bike, but eventually you know and don't have to focus on it anymore, you can just do it, it's in your 'subconscious' as an ability and just does itself almost, and you can ride it all over just fine and do all sorts of tricks and whatnot effortlessly given enough time and practice, it is the same thing. when you're being a person 'learning to do ____' then you're acting 'behind' that ability or knowledge, ,moving towards it, if you're being a person 'doing or making ____' then you're acting 'from' the abilities required, and can produce things with them in line with the desired outcomes. or like an athlete being 'in the zone' and doing really good, they know just what to do at that point and don't have to think on it at all, it just comes out. just can be difficult to move into being doing mode because a persons mind likes to overanalyze their own outputs and find things wrong where there isn't anything wrong at all, keeping them in learner stage.

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Re: One of the weirdest things I've noticed about daily conversation [Re: tripp23] * 1
    #21035258 - 12/28/14 12:14 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Not robots. Robots are designed to act logically.  Just asleep at the wheel.:jimmorrison:


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Re: One of the weirdest things I've noticed about daily conversation [Re: Icelander]
    #21035833 - 12/28/14 02:51 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Op, can you link us with your work?

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Not robots. Robots are designed to act logically.  Just asleep at the wheel.:jimmorrison:



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Re: One of the weirdest things I've noticed about daily conversation [Re: Icelander]
    #21035856 - 12/28/14 02:55 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

It's almost as if we're all the same being minus one or two genetic mutations here and there


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Re: One of the weirdest things I've noticed about daily conversation [Re: crkhd]
    #21036079 - 12/28/14 03:58 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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It's almost as if we're all the same being minus one or two genetic mutations here and there




i think there's a handful of people in the world and then there's lots of bodies running around, like we're all just those few people playing out all the different aspects and perspectives and such they have interacting with eachother, like we're mental extensions. just like there's a handful of like '~original' variations of anything and then many ways, objects, or paths it's expressed as. like waht good is a computer without an operating system? there's far more computers than there are operating systems, in all things i think maybe

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Re: One of the weirdest things I've noticed about daily conversation [Re: tripp23]
    #21037419 - 12/28/14 10:11 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah these are people with no body no mind no soul

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Re: One of the weirdest things I've noticed about daily conversation [Re: cez]
    #21050965 - 01/01/15 12:23 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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if you pay attention you'll often find many people aren't even participating in a conversation when you attempt to have one with them, they're just talking to themselves. i've had dozens of times where i've noticed that and to myself was like 'hey, maybe i'm just assuming they're not hearign what i say, maybe i'm the stupid/difficult one here' and i'll test it by saying a random odd response like 'bacon tacos and tomato fritters' (ive said this before), and many of these times the person will respond as if i had said something still in line with the convo, as if they're only interacting with an imaginary me in their head that threw down a piece of paper with a bunch of already there statements to go through, i don't know how to explain it exactly. if you look deep enough it gets really really creepy.




you know whats up!

It's like we've just come so conditioned to "normal" conversation that... conversation is basically automatic from our consciousness now. 

You know.. I really love the way the ancients put things lol  the seed of life for example explains the 7 days of creation in great detail.  They say that spirit got bored/lonely so spirit did something.  It expanded it's consciousness out in all directions (a circle).  Creating more and more until a full imagine is complete... The seed of life.  Since spirit did just that.. that would mean that all creation is made from one universal source....  Which terrifies me.

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It's almost as if we're all the same being minus one or two genetic mutations here and there




i think there's a handful of people in the world and then there's lots of bodies running around, like we're all just those few people playing out all the different aspects and perspectives and such they have interacting with eachother, like we're mental extensions. just like there's a handful of like '~original' variations of anything and then many ways, objects, or paths it's expressed as. like waht good is a computer without an operating system? there's far more computers than there are operating systems, in all things i think maybe





I quote him to finish because this is perfect.  All creation is one universal source.. meaning.. all life in general is one spirit.  That means... we really are alone. lol you are the lady at the gas-station.  You are the guy at work.  You are the dog in the park.  Universal spirit experiencing different extensions of it's self.  Scaryy. 

You can't actually verify that somebody else is conscious in general.  This freaks me out even more..  For ex.  What if you all really are just robots and I'm the only one conscious in this nightmare.  This life shit scares the fuck outta me :lol:  I know that's not the case though because how can any of you verify that i'm conscious?...
The only thing that you can really verify that's truly real is your own consciousness.
You know.. I have no fear in this world.. except of the fear, of my own consciousness.

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Op, can you link us with your work?

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Icelander said:
Not robots. Robots are designed to act logically.  Just asleep at the wheel.:jimmorrison:



:thumbup:




couldnt have said it any better..  The auto-pilots on but nobody's flying the plane.

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Op, can you link us with your work?

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Not robots. Robots are designed to act logically.  Just asleep at the wheel.:jimmorrison:



:thumbup:





I've thought about doing that so many times and I've wanted too so damn bad ever since I wrote the song but.... i'd honestly find it kind of sketchy..  it sucks..  bad circumstances :sad:

You know..  I've figured tons and tons of shit out in my day...  But figuring this life shit out...  It's just mind-boggling...  I will figure this whole life shit out one day though..  I can promise on that..  Even if I only come 99.999999999999999etc. % close.


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Re: One of the weirdest things I've noticed about daily conversation [Re: tripp23]
    #21051574 - 01/01/15 09:07 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Let me save you some trouble.  What you will figure out is that you can't know anything really.


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Re: One of the weirdest things I've noticed about daily conversation [Re: tripp23]
    #21051615 - 01/01/15 09:41 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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if you pay attention you'll often find many people aren't even participating in a conversation when you attempt to have one with them, they're just talking to themselves. i've had dozens of times where i've noticed that and to myself was like 'hey, maybe i'm just assuming they're not hearign what i say, maybe i'm the stupid/difficult one here' and i'll test it by saying a random odd response like 'bacon tacos and tomato fritters' (ive said this before




yeah that, but there are also times when you can catch yourself doing exactly the same and then in retrospect it boggles the mind how it could happen. You know... in a stressful situation at work or in conversation with your mother for example..
But that's the ego thing we've been yadding continuously about.
I'll be honest here and admit I can't do anything about it.. trying to control it is not the way, it's more in embracing it and letting it's way which makes less of it.. strange thing. It's not how the other things work around here in whatever this is.


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Re: One of the weirdest things I've noticed about daily conversation [Re: cbub]
    #21058724 - 01/02/15 10:53 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

There are a lot of facets about this. . .

One I have thought of a lot is the Buddhist understanding that there are two types of living beings - sort of, frozen ones, and unfrozen ones. . and the path is partly about understanding this. . .


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Re: One of the weirdest things I've noticed about daily conversation [Re: tripp23]
    #21090792 - 01/09/15 02:04 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

yes a lot do seem like robots. they are robots programmed by their environment and conditioning. They are only acting and behaving to the extent that their programming is allowing them to act.

it's possible to override the societal programming and conditioning through psych usage. Psychs make it so you no longer are a product of your environment and conditioning.


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    #21091179 - 01/09/15 06:17 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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yes a lot do seem like robots. they are robots programmed by their environment and conditioning. They are only acting and behaving to the extent that their programming is allowing them to act.

it's possible to override the societal programming and conditioning through psych usage. Psychs make it so you no longer are a product of your environment and conditioning.




idk, i think psychs or really any drugs depending on the person more or less 'speed up' a person to what theyre going towards already maybe? everyone i know of whos had a more open, curious, or enlightened (even a bit) worldview either had just a great time on shrooms or that and became better after it. everyone whos got the opposite closed in fearful paranoid etc worldview just were annoying and had bad trips or had that and became even more closed in and annoying after. seems to open up some peoples world and close off others, depending on which way theyre already pulling their door

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Re: One of the weirdest things I've noticed about daily conversation [Re: tripp23]
    #21093929 - 01/09/15 07:21 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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This life shit is soooo damn bizarre. 




Aint that the truth.

As far as your song goes, I subscribe the the idea that all creativity is all out there in the aether, and we simply need to tap into that, and "download" the creations. Have you heard of the idea of 'the muse'? Post that song! Would love to hear it.

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Re: One of the weirdest things I've noticed about daily conversation [Re: tripp23]
    #21127435 - 01/15/15 11:41 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Quote: " "I feel like I'm talking to a robot right now."  "
takes me back to the '60s
http://www.amazon.com/Games-People-Play-Eric-Berne/dp/B00522NY7M/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1421390307&sr=1-4&keywords=games+people+play+eric+berne

"People tend to live their lives by consistently playing out certain "games" in their interpersonal relationships. They play these games for a variety of reasons; to avoid confronting reality, to conceal ulterior motives, to rationalize their activities, or to avoid actual participation. These games - if they are not destructive - are both desirable and necessary, and in the present volume D. Berne offers the reader a thorough, fascinating analysis of thirty-six games, which he breaks down into seven major categories."

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Re: One of the weirdest things I've noticed about daily conversation [Re: laughingdog]
    #21127453 - 01/15/15 11:47 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

If you have seen the movie
"Glengarry Glen Ross"
there is a scene where
the characters played by Ed Harris and Alan Arkin, are locked in a loop,
in fact I think this is a common theme in literature, and a reason folks go to therapists.

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