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 No Saddam/Bin Laden connection eh? Top Secret memo 
#2109038 - 11/15/03 12:40 PM (20 years, 24 days ago) |
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Does this change the mind of anyone who didn't support the war?
This article, which is about a top secret DoD memo, outlines the 13 year relationship shared by Saddam and Bin Laden.
It lays out a point by point index of the dealings and meeting of the two and their emmisaries.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/378fmxyz.asp
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 Re: No Saddam/Bin Laden connection eh? Top Secret memo [Re: HagbardCeline]
#2109055 - 11/15/03 12:47 PM (20 years, 24 days ago) |
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i have a feeling that this will be discounted and written off as a fraud by those who'd rather not believe it. eh... i suppose it doesn't matter anyway... after all, osama bin laden wasn't behind 9-11, george bush and his corporate cronies were... 
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Re: No Saddam/Bin Laden connection eh? Top Secret memo [Re: ]
#2109065 - 11/15/03 12:50 PM (20 years, 24 days ago) |
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after all, osama bin laden wasn't behind 9-11, george bush and his corporate cronies were...
DAMNIT, DAMNIT, DAMNIT! 
I keep forgetting that! 
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Re: No Saddam/Bin Laden connection eh? Top Secret memo [Re: HagbardCeline]
#2109119 - 11/15/03 01:13 PM (20 years, 24 days ago) |
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This article, which is about a top secret DoD memo
The memo, dated October 27, 2003, was sent from Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas J. Feith to Senators Pat Roberts and Jay Rockefeller
Not exactly what you'd call independent evidence is it.
btw, any idea what the constant referring to "according to sensitive reporting" means? Practically every claim in the article is "according to sensitive reporting".
I'm not casting any aspersions, all I'm saying is "according to sensitive reporting" is one helluva convenient non-verifiable, checkable source. It's about as useful as saying "according to something I made up this morning..".
(Remember, Iraqi intelligence used liquid paper on an internal intelligence document to conceal bin Laden's name.)
Damn, now that's what I call suspicious  ...no shredder for these guys, no strict order not to write internal intelligence documents and then leave them laying around for the americans to find - nope - "just stick some liquid paper over his name - that'll fool them..." 
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Re: No Saddam/Bin Laden connection eh? Top Secret memo [Re: HagbardCeline]
#2109174 - 11/15/03 01:42 PM (20 years, 24 days ago) |
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what'd i tell you?
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Re: No Saddam/Bin Laden connection eh? Top Secret memo [Re: HagbardCeline]
#2109418 - 11/15/03 03:35 PM (20 years, 24 days ago) |
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It is interesting and Id like to see some complete corrobaration instead of some of the "partially verified", "secret", etcs.
It doesnt change my mind. If we were waging a war against terrorism, then we should have went after Saudi. But we cant, because Saudi is the head of the beast. So, I guess we are trying to whack at some limbs. Strategy and shiznit. Revenge.
I just dont think that we needed to look without on ways to protect us against terrorism. We should have strengthened our homeland instead of sending our troops off to Iraq, including most of our national guards, while we have serious issues to deal with here at home.
Can you imagine what it would be like if a terrorist struck something major right now? Our infastructure is being decimated to fight these wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
More soldiers are dying every day. They just lost two helicopters and atleast 12 people this morning.
We trained Bin Laden, too. And Saddam Hussein.
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Re: No Saddam/Bin Laden connection eh? Top Secret memo [Re: HagbardCeline]
#2109521 - 11/15/03 04:22 PM (20 years, 24 days ago) |
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Why would I start believing what they say now??
Another desperate attempt to justify an unjustifiable war.
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Re: No Saddam/Bin Laden connection eh? Top Secret memo [Re: HagbardCeline]
#2109904 - 11/15/03 07:22 PM (20 years, 24 days ago) |
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I think its funny that so many people think that the Iraqi's are idiots. Typical american saying "stupid iraqi's, we krushed there KUntry". So the government has not found Sadaam, nor Osama...Hmmm... Could they be buddys? Maybe maybe not. BUt i dont think Sadaam was stupid enough to believe that when bush made threats that nothing would happen, and that he should make a back up plan. Of course he had a plan, what were all those news reports of those secret vehicles that were out in the dessert that could possibly transport nuclear weapons? What better way to slaughter an army, than to make them think that everything is okay, and for them to be infested in the city. What woudl sadaam have to lose if he blew up all of Baghdad with all the american troops inside, and his people? Well obviously he is at war with america, and his people he could give a shit about. I dont know, i just think that many situtations are being over looked. Thats just what i think would be the smartest thing to do in his situation. Middle Easterners are not dumb, especially in their stand point, war must always be in their minds, or they must always think about being on guard... most of them anyway.
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Re: No Saddam/Bin Laden connection eh? Top Secret memo [Re: HagbardCeline]
#2110137 - 11/15/03 08:55 PM (20 years, 24 days ago) |
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OMG. I cant believe this didnt ding in my head sooner.
The Weekly Standard?
Holy shit, that thing is the media wing of PNAC. Bill Kristol is the founder of PNAC and the Weekly Standard's editor.
I bet their spinning this nonsense to high hell on the news and nobody even remembers that if all this were true, why didnt they say so in the beginning?
Douglas Feith is the secret authority? Holy shit. Hello PNAC board members.
Gag. 
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Re: No Saddam/Bin Laden connection eh? Top Secret memo [Re: HagbardCeline]
#2110153 - 11/15/03 09:01 PM (20 years, 24 days ago) |
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I think it's funny that the war apologists were trying to debunk the "myth" that the Bush administration ever made the "osama-saddam" connection in the first place. I wonder if those debunkers are going to speak out against this news item?
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Re: No Saddam/Bin Laden connection eh? Top Secret memo [Re: HagbardCeline]
#2110374 - 11/15/03 11:01 PM (20 years, 24 days ago) |
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Looks like the Pentagon has already dismissed the "leaked" memo. DoD News.
Like Psilo said, Douglas Feith is one of the most hard-core, neo-cons in Washington. Feith's Office of Special Plans has already been exposed as a key component of how the Administration exagerrated and manipulated the pre-war intelligence on Iraq. These guys have zero credibilty left.
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Edited by SquattingMarmot (11/15/03 11:56 PM)
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Re: No Saddam/Bin Laden connection eh? Top Secret memo [Re: SquattingMarmot]
#2110664 - 11/16/03 01:25 AM (20 years, 24 days ago) |
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Looks like the Pentagon has already dismissed the "leaked" memo
Don't tell mushmaster, he was really desperate to believe this one.
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Re: No Saddam/Bin Laden connection eh? Top Secret memo [Re: HagbardCeline]
#2110887 - 11/16/03 04:30 AM (20 years, 24 days ago) |
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justification for this "war" is harder to find than "WMD'S".
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Re: No Saddam/Bin Laden connection eh? Top Secret memo [Re: Hanky]
#2110944 - 11/16/03 05:35 AM (20 years, 24 days ago) |
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Shh..we're not allowed to mention WMD..it upsets the right-wingers..
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Re: No Saddam/Bin Laden connection eh? Top Secret memo [Re: ]
#2110967 - 11/16/03 05:56 AM (20 years, 24 days ago) |
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what'd i tell you?
Funny. When it's something you don't want to believe you question the source, when it's something you want to believe you accept the source.
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Re: No Saddam/Bin Laden connection eh? Top Secret memo [Re: Xlea321]
#2111075 - 11/16/03 08:06 AM (20 years, 23 days ago) |
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Alex123 said:
Shh..we're not allowed to mention WMD..it upsets the right-wingers..
It upsets me to.
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Re: No Saddam/Bin Laden connection eh? Top Secret memo [Re: SquattingMarmot]
#2111323 - 11/16/03 11:38 AM (20 years, 23 days ago) |
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"News reports that the Defense Department recently confirmed new information with respect to contacts between al-Qaida and Iraq in a letter to the Senate Intelligence Committee are inaccurate.
A letter was sent to the Senate Intelligence Committee on October 27, 2003 from Douglas J. Feith, Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, in response to follow-up questions from his July 10 testimony. One of the questions posed by the committee asked the Department to provide the reports from the Intelligence Community to which he referred in his testimony before the Committee. These reports dealt with the relationship between Iraq and al-Qaida."
good find.
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Re: No Saddam/Bin Laden connection eh? Top Secret memo [Re: SquattingMarmot]
#2111713 - 11/16/03 02:07 PM (20 years, 23 days ago) |
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I was wondering, exactly how did that invalidate the memo?
If you want to doubt Feith, and claim he is a puppet of the admin., then fine.
But do you really think that everyone in the CIA, NSA, DIA, and whoever else agents reports were cited, is lying for administration? Especially when most of it was collected during Clinton's administration.
I just don't understand with so many people on both sides at one time all agreed that Saddam was major threat that had to be removed. But suddenly, this administration is has engineered this whole scenario to fatten their buddies pockets. They are lying in order to further their game of world domination.
Look, this adminstration was faced with the harsh reality that their are those who want to destroy us. They adopted the position of their predecessors, and when the threat was brought home, they had to change their stance on dealing with with the threat. Diplomacy doesn't work with them.
To claim that they lied, you have to also call all the intelligence agents liars as well, or do you believe those reports were fabricated? If so, nearly everyone opposed lied about it at one time too. They are only as good as their intelligence, which I believe was competent.
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Re: No Saddam/Bin Laden connection eh? Top Secret memo [Re: HagbardCeline]
#2111738 - 11/16/03 02:13 PM (20 years, 23 days ago) |
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I just don't understand with so many people on both sides at one time all agreed that Saddam was major threat
I don't think they agreed that at all. Major threat to who? He was at his peak as a tyrant way back in the 80's when Reagan, Bush and Rumsfield were his best buddies.
To claim that they lied, you have to also call all the intelligence agents liars as well, or do you believe those reports were fabricated?
The intelligence reports (according to Bush and Blair at least) claimed Saddam had WMD. He hasn't. What else can you call it but fabrication?
I have heard reports that the intelligence agencies are very angry at the way Bush and Blair spun their reports to give a misleading impression.
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Re: No Saddam/Bin Laden connection eh? Top Secret memo [Re: Xlea321]
#2111799 - 11/16/03 02:37 PM (20 years, 23 days ago) |
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I wish someone would post the pic of Rmusfeld shaking hands with Sadamm.
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