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Re: (PICS) of Equador casing
    #21109 - 06/20/00 01:54 PM (23 years, 8 months ago)

Just wondering....
Can you detail the sequence Postcasing/prepinning-primordia formation-cropping?
i suppose you kept the container in dark for about a week, then you "birth" it, but what about gas exchange and umidity at the primordia phase? did you vent manually? or no work at all??
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Re: (PICS) of Equador casing
    #21110 - 06/20/00 02:07 PM (23 years, 8 months ago)

What did you use to innoculate? I'm thinking some kind of liquid myc because of the even pinset. Have you done any cloning to better your strain?

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Re: (PICS) of Equador casing
    #21111 - 06/20/00 02:11 PM (23 years, 8 months ago)

So are you telling me I'm wasting my time with a humidifier?

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Re: (PICS) of Equador casing
    #21112 - 06/20/00 04:29 PM (23 years, 8 months ago)

CluBB99, heres the details in order.

Cakes were crumbled and cased with a potting soil mix(some kind of mix that has perlite, verm, and peat premixed into it)

The casing tub was placed ontop of a dresser with a lamp next to it. For the first 3 days I left the lamp turned off. Then I started a 12 on 12 off light cycle.

While I waited for pinning to occur, I allowed plenty of gas exchange(fanning 5-10 times a day depending on my schedule) This was to prevent overlay of the casing. This went on for 4 days.

Once pin set occured(day 7 postcasing), I cut back on the fanning(only 2-3 times a day) so that the humidity raises and fattens up the pins. Once the pins are an inch or so tall, I start fanning more often again so that the mushrooms don't grow to tall. This is how you get proportionaly correct mushrooms :wink: Then I harvest when they break their viels.

Seriously though, its hard to explain when to fan, but its such an important part of the process. You may not need to fan as much, or you may need to fan more often. It all depends on distance and temp of the light source, room temp, light cycle, etc... These factors greatly influence humidity in the terrarium. To learn proper gas exchange is something you learn after trial an error. Just remember plenty of air exchange is good, not bad. If things start to look dry, seal up your terrarium and quit fanning.

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Re: (PICS) of Equador casing
    #21113 - 06/20/00 04:51 PM (23 years, 8 months ago)

Oh yeah I forgot.

Chillin, I used a regular 10cc spore syringe that I made my self. Each jar was supper inoculated with 3-4cc's of inoculant. Jars finished in 7 days and I let em go for 3 more to make sure the center was colonized.

I've never done any work with any of my strain(Yes I know I need to) I just haven't got into the whole agar thing that much yet. The next monster I fruit though, will be cloned. After learning that mass spore inoculated cakes only have a fruitable mass of about 1/3 to 2/3 of the cake, I decided I better get to know my agar. I know how to use agar, and I have before. I'm just not comfortable with the whole process yet(you know, I don't know the tricks of the trade that make things go smoothly)

And BaldCuban, yes your wasting your time with a humidifier(IMO) unless your fruiting cakes, in which case it still isn't neccesary. Perlite works fine. As for casings, it is my opinion that they should never recieve a secondary humidification source. It is much more easy to be consistant when relying on the the casing for moisture. This isn't to say that humidifiers can't be consistant, its just not as easy.

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Re: (PICS) of Equador casing
    #21114 - 06/20/00 05:25 PM (23 years, 8 months ago)

Lizard, you rule. You inspired me to recase my 4 day old casings. They were in a plastic clear terrarium with perlite humidification and I'm assuming because the humidity was so high it gave cobweb mold a chance to form... well I thuroughly sprayed the casings down with H2O2 and then sprayed down the casing soil and the terrarium (after I dumped out all that perlite) and recased them exactly as I saw your setup. I'm going to follow what you did as best as I can and hope everything goes well. I have a question for ya though... about how many flushes do you get before cantams set in and what you do to prolong the life of you casings. How many flushes do you get that are close to that size from one casing?

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Re: (PICS) of Equador casing
    #21115 - 06/20/00 05:53 PM (23 years, 8 months ago)

Congrats!

Very similar to the setup I use and it works equally as well.



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Re: (PICS) of Equador casing
    #21116 - 06/20/00 08:25 PM (23 years, 8 months ago)

Hey Lizard, what was your final yeild? Looks like you have quite a supply going now.

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Re: (PICS) of Equador casing
    #21120 - 06/20/00 10:37 PM (23 years, 8 months ago)

Hey LIzard did you do any thing extra to keep uot green contamination.Or does fanning do the trick?And lest moisture + NO contamination is this correct?What kind of light do you have in the lamp.Whats the approx. size of those containers?Don't mean to ask dumb questions but I tried this exact same method about a week ago and green contamination messed up both of my containers.

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Re: (PICS) of Equador casing
    #21118 - 06/20/00 11:01 PM (23 years, 8 months ago)

Did you use a bottom layer of verm or just straight substrate on the bottom then the soil? Also you said a mix of peat/verm/perlite. Is there a certain mix for this (33/33/33) and whats a good grade of verm to use when casing (fine, medium, large) thanx

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Re: (PICS) of Equador casing
    #21119 - 06/21/00 09:41 AM (23 years, 8 months ago)

Spunkmonkey1000, The total yield was 23 grams dried first flush.

Mycofile, Thanks for the tip. Your the one that got me thinking about how important agar work is for the serious cultivator. I read a few of your post at DD about peroxide agar and decided I would clone the next monster I fruit. I have the agar and all the other nessecary ingrediants, I just need to get my lazy ass in gear and start cooking and pouring :wink:

MuffinBear, I used a bottom layer 50/50 mix of verm and soil then crumbled substrate and cased ontop of that with my potting soil mix. The mix I used this time is new to me. I found it a Ace hardware. Its a mix of mostly soil with a little added verm, perlite, and peat.

About your other question, the large grade vermiculite is best for casing(IMO) The horticulture grade(fine grade) is best used in your substrate jars.

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Re: (PICS) of Equador casing
    #21117 - 06/21/00 10:35 AM (23 years, 8 months ago)

Hey lizard, about the only trick of the agar trade you need to know is to use peroxide agar for cloning. It's childs play if you can make a sterile syringe. Search for placebos write up.

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Re: (PICS) of Equador casing
    #21121 - 06/21/00 01:17 PM (23 years, 8 months ago)

Hey lizard, if you don't mind.............How thick was your bottom layer of mix, and the top. I know you told me you like a 2" layer of substrate, and I was just curious about that rest.


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Re: (PICS) of Equador casing
    #21122 - 06/21/00 03:28 PM (23 years, 8 months ago)

still kinda curious about how many flushes you get from casings like that and if you have a problem with contams. I recased all of my casings in a setup almost exactly like yours and am curious as to what I should expect. :smile: thanx.

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Re: (PICS) of Equador casing
    #21123 - 06/29/00 03:12 AM (23 years, 8 months ago)

Brought this thread back because of the green mold question. Do you have problems with contamination of the casing layer using pre-mixed soil? Do you sterilize or pasteurize it at all or is the fanning and spraying enough to keep contams out? Thanks.

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Re: (PICS) of Equador casing
    #21124 - 06/29/00 03:45 PM (23 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry for not answering questions sooner, I've been a bit busy lately.

To PappaKaps, The bottome layer of my casing varies from casing to casing. I usually lay down an inch or so of regular 50/50 mix in the bottom. Sometimes I mix up more than I need and lay down 2 inches, it all depends. For the top layer I never case over 1/2" deep. Anywhere between 1/4" and 1/2" is what I preffer.


bigmanchu, I usually get 3 flushes total out of a casing this size. It will still produce a few fruits after that, just not that many. After the third flush I bury the casing in the backyard and hope for the best.

Snarf, contamination is rarely a problem before the third flush. If I do spot green mold, I'll just move the casing outdoors and let mother nature do the rest. Usually it will clear up and fruit for me.

About your other question, no, I do not pasteurize or sterilize my casings. Its not nessecary. The only time I pasteurize is when dealing with dung, straw, or compost.

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Re: (PICS) of Equador casing
    #21125 - 06/29/00 04:02 PM (23 years, 8 months ago)

Lizard,

You don't sterlize your casign at all? Just take it strait from the bag?


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Re: (PICS) of Equador casing
    #21126 - 06/29/00 08:14 PM (23 years, 8 months ago)

Thats right, never had a problem doing so.


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Re: (PICS) of Equador casing
    #21129 - 06/30/00 06:12 AM (23 years, 8 months ago)

I recased some casings about a week and a couple of days ago that weren't doing very hot exactly as I saw Lizards' set up and by god the man's right!! I give 'em lots of air and keep the casing layer just barely moist by misting once in the morning and once at night and fan 'em hourly. I leave the lids off when I wake up before work and before I got to bed at night. I'm getting monster fruits that are extremely proportionate and no contams... the cobweb mold disappeared and there are more pins every day... lovely! Thanks LK!!

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Re: (PICS) of Equador casing
    #21130 - 06/30/00 08:56 AM (23 years, 8 months ago)

Thats great to hear Bigmanchu :wink:


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