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OfflineBleaK
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    #2108455 - 11/15/03 05:23 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

What is to keep me from believing that everthing i perceive is completly meaningless?


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Invisiblemuhurgle
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Re: worth [Re: BleaK]
    #2108473 - 11/15/03 05:36 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

Nothing. There is no meaning.


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Re: worth [Re: muhurgle]
    #2108585 - 11/15/03 07:25 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

The great thing about this is that no one else can lay down to you "what this life is all about". No one can tell you that this is what is important and that is what is important and now fucking do it.

When there is an absence of meaning, it is an oppurtunity to imply meaning. I mean, I play bass guitar. Music is my life. However, I know people who don't even listen to music. Music obviously has a lot more meaning to me, because they don't even involve themselves with it while myself, I immerse my life in it.

So, it comes down to perspective, what you want to do with this absence of meaning. You can either take a negative stance and hate the fact that you are stuck in an existance of nothing, or you can take the oppurtunity to Create something there that fufills your life.

Just some thoughts to think on. :grin:
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Invisiblemuhurgle
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Re: worth [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2108592 - 11/15/03 07:35 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

Sure, you can indulge in things that give you pleasure and call that meaning (I love music too). But do you think there is some inherent meaning to life, the universe and everything? I'm pretty sure it's not. I don't think too much about that though. Unless I find myself in situations that I don't like. Then it's comforting to know that nothing really matters. Hm.. maybe meaninglessness is my form of religion.


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Re: worth [Re: muhurgle]
    #2108595 - 11/15/03 07:40 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

Quote:

muhurgle said:
Sure, you can indulge in things that give you pleasure and call that meaning (I love music too). But do you think there is some inherent meaning to life, the universe and everything? I'm pretty sure it's not. I don't think too much about that though. Unless I find myself in situations that I don't like. Then it's comforting to know that nothing really matters. Hm.. maybe meaninglessness is my form of religion.




Well, in music's case, it isn't a pleasure, it IS my life. It is what I am here for, it is me.

And I think that if there is an inherent meaning to life, it is to evolve. We are here, so we evolve.

But on a personal level, the only meaning is to you know, life your life and let others live their life. If this was the case for everyone, we would have no problems.
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Re: worth [Re: BleaK]
    #2108615 - 11/15/03 07:59 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

Life takes on whatever meaning you assign to it.
If it makes you happy, you can choose to view life as meaningless.

If you are like most of us, you will soon find that is a drag.

Find meaning in helping others. Oddly enough, in helping others you also help yourself. Now you are invested in life, you have a stake in it; You will begin to find meaning where you never saw it before.




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Invisiblemuhurgle
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Re: worth [Re: Jellric]
    #2108623 - 11/15/03 08:23 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

Hm. I think we're talking about different things. I'm saying that I don't think there is any real meaning to anything in the sense that "we're here for a reason" or anything like that.

But everybody creates some kind of personal meaning to their everyday lives.


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Re: worth [Re: muhurgle]
    #2108645 - 11/15/03 09:11 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

I agree with both jellric and fireworks.


Life is trying to accomplish something. Experience something.

Feel lucky to be a part of it.

Ultimately though, it is entirely subjective. Try and enjoy it on some level, for your own good.


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Re: worth [Re: BleaK]
    #2109022 - 11/15/03 02:33 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

Basically, your self is keeping you from believing everything is meaningless. Because that's how you interpret the world to base your behavior on - through your self! :grin:


But i think you mean 'meaning' in the sense of 'pro-you' or 'pro-life', but i also think the more accurate word to use is *purpose*.

So, what is keeping you (Bleak) from believing that everything is purposeless?

Well this is a slightly harder question, because finding purpose relative to the whole universe is a BIG question (unless your religious :grin:). But relative to your self, it's easy. Just make your own, like the others said. It takes leg work on your part, but hey, were you expecting a free ride?!? :nut:   


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Re: worth [Re: David_Scape]
    #2109069 - 11/15/03 02:51 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

Life is an escape from depression caused by meaninglessness. Some people never even realize or accept that life is meaningless. That's a pity, because then they end up taking things seriously. But if you don't distract yourself then you'll end up distressed and depressed, which you won't enjoy for some reason.


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Re: worth [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2109122 - 11/15/03 03:16 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

Your post was a combination of symbols that create what we know as "words". These words have meaning, which, defined by Dictionary.com is: Something that is conveyed or signified; sense or significance. Something that one wishes to convey, especially by language.

So if the very language we use to describe "life" is nothing but a stream of MEANING, then how can life be void of it?


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Re: worth [Re: chunder]
    #2109126 - 11/15/03 03:18 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

Quote:

chunder said:
So if the very language we use to describe "life" is nothing but a stream of MEANING, then how can life be void of it? 




Oohhhh! Damn, chunder! Game set match. :grin:
Peace.


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For I've never known completeness
Like being here
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Re: worth [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2109536 - 11/15/03 06:29 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

"Your post was a combination of symbols that create what we know as "words". These words have meaning, which, defined by Dictionary.com is: Something that is conveyed or signified; sense or significance. Something that one wishes to convey, especially by language.

So if the very language we use to describe "life" is nothing but a stream of MEANING, then how can life be void of it?"

actually, words have no inherent meaning, they are just combinations of symbols and sounds that IMPLY meaning, the actual meaning of a word is completely subjective and is reliant on the recipients experience and memory. Life is meaningless, that much is obvious...but life does IMPLY meaning, and its up to you to figure out what that meaning is.


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Re: worth [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2109616 - 11/15/03 07:09 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

So if life is nothing but "implied" meaning, then how does that make it meaningless? Imply means "To involve by logical necessity; entail. To express or indicate indirectly".

My stance remains the same. Meaning is there, whether or not you're applying the models of subjectivity/objectivity to it. I think perhaps you misunderstand the concept of 'meaning'. Peace.


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Re: worth [Re: chunder]
    #2109654 - 11/15/03 07:30 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

My stance remains the same. Meaning is there, whether or not you're applying the models of subjectivity/objectivity to it. I think perhaps you misunderstand the concept of 'meaning'. Peace.

That's why i tried to refer the word *purpose* in my previous post. It was to avoid further confusion but it went unheeded. :shake: 


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Re: worth [Re: David_Scape]
    #2109855 - 11/15/03 09:01 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

firstly, using dictionary meanings in a discussion is so lame.

secondly; "My stance remains the same. Meaning is there, whether or not you're applying the models of subjectivity/objectivity to it. I think perhaps you misunderstand the concept of 'meaning'. Peace"

i misunderstand the concept of meaning eh? what an amazingly dumb thing to say, congrats. If objective meaning does not exist, then meaning does not exist in any substantial form. Meaning in this life is transient and ungraspable. One day you align yourself with whatever meaning you identify with on that day, tommorow that meaning falls apart and you are no longer able to identify with it. This is the nature of meaning, it is in constant transition and thusly it never truly exists.

for example, take a surrealist painting. Surrealist painting "a" has no inherent meaning, the artist just created a funky picture and intented it to stimulate thought. On monday you hold belief "a" and look at painting "a" and understand meaning "a" because it fits into your current paradigm. On tuesday your wife is brutally raped and murdered, consequently, everything you beleived to be true on monday is no longer true. So you go back to the painting and now understand meaning "b" because you no longer hold belief "a".

the painting never had any true meaning, it was only constructed in a fashion that IMPLIED meaning, you dig?

implications are not in any way related to truth. Im in a cowboy movie, Im wearing a black suit and a black hat, it is IMPLIED that I am evil. But you know what? im a nice guy, so the implication has no basis.


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Re: worth [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2110209 - 11/15/03 11:31 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

There is no meaning of life
invent, create, construct your own meaning of life, one that is specific to you


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Re: worth [Re: BleaK]
    #2110216 - 11/15/03 11:33 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

"What is to keep me from believing that everthing i perceive is completly meaningless? "

Convincing yourself that it's not is the only thing that'll do that.
Of course, that just might detract you from the truth.


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Re: worth [Re: Phluck]
    #2110777 - 11/16/03 04:29 AM (13 years, 24 days ago)

i suggest you read the 'tao of philosophy' by alan watts.


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Re: worth [Re: potato]
    #2110804 - 11/16/03 04:48 AM (13 years, 24 days ago)

i suggest you read "teenage mutant ninja turtles" the book, by Mr. So and So.


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