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OfflineWebster10
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Re: Post an unpopular/ controversial opinion [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #21079130 - 01/06/15 07:39 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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In a sense you could say that consciousness is the electrical firing of neurons and neurotransmitters. All these things are controlled by proteins and enzymes. The brain is a roiling biochemical soup.



Consciousness is what the brain does. This includes the relay of information and electrical signals stemming from neurons and neurotransmitters. No, these things are coded for in our genetics. These particular genetics that distinguish us from other animals in terms of consciousness have been developing for a couple hundred thousand years. Most of the brain, that merely contributes to our overall consciousness, is also shared by other animals, in which case it makes up the entire conscious, and the coding for how these parts of the brain are supposed to work have been developing for millions of years. Proteins and enzymes are merely responsible for carrying out this code, you would be wrong in saying that the way a brain develops is controlled by the workers that carry out the master plan that someone else comes up with and supplies.

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Biology can not be pinned down to a neat equation on a molecular scale in the way mechanical objects can.



Some of biology can be mechanically accounted for.

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We can only say statistically what will happen exactly in the cell. We can only say statistically when this particular neurotransmitter will be activating this particular neuronal receptor. Because at this scale we are dealing with quantum mechanics.



Is everything that has a statistical backing unlikely to you? We can observe particular cells within the body and accurately predict and observe what they do. If every once in a while, our prediction is wrong, so what? Making a false prediction about what a cell will do doesn't effect anything in the real world. There are no significant implications of making a false assumption. This doesn't serve as evidence to anything, you merely just suggested there is a possibility that we don't know every particular detail about the brain, which is a pretty well known truth. We, or at least I, know enough about the brain to apply my knowledge to this situation and realize you are talking rubbish.


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And because a living organism is a roiling soup of an enormous amount of independent atoms and molecules, the mechanics of a biological organism can not be neatly described in the way macroscale objects like a cannonball or pendulum or even planet or star can be described with great certainty.



Not every single detail no, but I don't see why you are appealing to the idea that if we don't know everything about the brain then we don't know anything about it. Sufficient evidence to disprove you is readily available, maybe you don't know enough about the brain to realize what you are saying doesn't apply.

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The earth is made up of a highly coordinated set of atoms that when taken as a whole act very much like a monolithic object where the quantum fluctuations have very little effect on the behavior of the object as a whole.



You're saying that miles upon miles of molten lava with atoms moving extremely randomly and quickly is highly coordinated? Perhaps you meant similar atoms :shrug:

The extremely rare quantum fluctuations in a biological organism have no implication other than a scientists guessing what it will do next wrongly.

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In contrast, a living organism and its behavior has an enormous amount of chance and randomness built in. So if I were to put my money on what causes consciousness it is mechanistic but involves a gazillion variable and the randomness gives the illusion of free will in consciousness.



I mean, the organism itself isn't built of chance and randomness. It is built by, as you said, proteins carrying out an extremely intricate, exact and stable code passed from one organism to the next. Behavior does have chance, but this stems from environmental causes. Other than hormonal changes, which can be predicted well by neurologists, biologists, or anyone who goes on the internet, the only real cause in behavioral fluctuations is the environment. Your conscious is after all just a response to a select few sensory inputs that the subconscious part of your brain decides to relay to it. These sensory inputs stem from your environment, which is what's going on around you. This can easily change your behavior on its own. The environment can cause hormonal fluctuations and in turn affect behavior. Other than this change in behavior, the only other cause is the brain's naturally occurring hormonal fluctuations caused independently of the environment(oh and drugs). Again, the three factors that go into animating and influencing your conscious are the brain, the environment, and genetics.

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"Newton's third law" what ever you want to call it is not a true law of physics because it is wrong. It can not describe magnetic forces because magnetic forces are not equal and opposite. Newton's third law also breaks down in relativity and can not accurately describe relativistic objects. And newton's third law predicts an effect to a cause. What point is there to newton's third law if it makes no predictions? That is the point of science. However newton's third law only makes accurate predictions for certain cases.



Newton's third law accurately describes a large majority of macroscopic objects but is limited when dealing with very small objects, relativistic objects as you said and in strong gravitational fields. Newton's third law isn't made to predict what specific effect of any given cause will be, it just states that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. It merely states that there is an effect to every cause. This has very very little to do with quantum fluctuations in the brain that supposedly have a huge effect on behavior and our bodily functions. Do I think that newton's third law can be applied to our behavior? No, but what you have said up to this point is largely garbage.

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Quantum mechanics states that every object has wave properties. A consequence of wave mechanics is randomness. We can not with 100% certainty describe an electron because it is a wave. A wave does not have precise characteristics like a location; a wave is simultaneously in many places at the same time. Heisenberg's uncertainty principle tells us that if we try to pinpoint the location of an electron, the momentum of the electron, the conjugate variable of position, becomes infinite in its range and uncertainty.



I'm not seeing the relevancy.


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Consciousness is the brain. Therefore, the biochemistry of the brain describes consciousness. Biochemistry is intimately linked with quantum mechanics and comes down to statistics. That is the connection.



Yes, but along with making a well informed, statistically backed, prediction, we can observe brain activity and behavior in a formal setting to observe whether or not the prediction is correct or not. We have confirmed most of what we know about the brain to be proven fact through countless experiments and extensive research. If a quantum fluctuation occurs, what exactly is the big implication??????


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Re: Post an unpopular/ controversial opinion [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21082592 - 01/07/15 02:27 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Welfare and other recipients of social programs should be given random drug screenings.

People getting social security or disability benefits should have to pass a drivers exam every year (over the age of 60) and every two years for all others.

On that note, someone who needs any kind of caregiver (especially state sponsored) either shouldn't be allowed to drive, if so, tested yearly.

The day my back spasms are so bad that I'm a risk on the road I'd want someone to pull my license.

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Re: Post an unpopular/ controversial opinion [Re: Adden]
    #21082898 - 01/07/15 03:36 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

A problem with driving tests for old people is the written part. I know an old person who drives fine, and is plenty mentally sound to drive, but the person failed the drivers test many times because of the written part. It had a lot to do with the wording of the questions, if they were straight forward free response questions the person would have done fine.

Writing about something and being able to do something are two completely different things


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Re: Post an unpopular/ controversial opinion [Re: SteelPanther]
    #21082900 - 01/07/15 03:37 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I concur

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Re: Post an unpopular/ controversial opinion [Re: SteelPanther]
    #21083347 - 01/07/15 05:22 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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SteelPanther said:
A problem with driving tests for old people is the written part. I know an old person who drives fine, and is plenty mentally sound to drive, but the person failed the drivers test many times because of the written part. It had a lot to do with the wording of the questions, if they were straight forward free response questions the person would have done fine.

Writing about something and being able to do something are two completely different things



The actual pen and paper test(I think they do it electronically now) is for a permit. For a license, at least in Florida, passing the driving test is the only thing that's required.


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Re: Post an unpopular/ controversial opinion [Re: Webster10]
    #21083932 - 01/07/15 07:09 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

All I know is that an old person I know was made to take the written test and failed 2 or 3 times, but he drives everyday and has not been in an acident for decades. It might be because his license expired since he didn't renew it on time.


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Re: Post an unpopular/ controversial opinion [Re: Srirachi]
    #22350812 - 10/08/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Srirachi said:
If a chick uses the phrase "what the actual fuck?" it's a sign that she's bat shit crazy. You should still fuck her, but only if you've not given her your real name.




god dammit.
the things i learn after i married one :doggystyle:

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Re: Post an unpopular/ controversial opinion [Re: blackdust]
    #22350857 - 10/08/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't know what you're complaining about, you survived the knife attack, and very few people can honestly say they know what their bone marrow looks like :thumbup:

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Re: Post an unpopular/ controversial opinion [Re: Srirachi]
    #22351177 - 10/08/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Animals have emotions.

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Re: Post an unpopular/ controversial opinion [Re: NotTheDevil] * 1
    #22351201 - 10/08/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

free bassfreak

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Re: Post an unpopular/ controversial opinion [Re: larry.fisherman] * 1
    #22355703 - 10/09/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Everyone is completely and utterly insane.


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Re: Post an unpopular/ controversial opinion [Re: MoldedByMadness]
    #22355709 - 10/09/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I hate dogs...


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Re: Post an unpopular/ controversial opinion [Re: Patlal]
    #22355741 - 10/09/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Sheekle

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Re: Post an unpopular/ controversial opinion [Re: Patlal]
    #22355798 - 10/09/15 06:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

"1 Mortals, born of woman,

are of few days and full of trouble.

2 They spring up like flowers and wither away;

like fleeting shadows, they do not endure."
Job 14:1, 14:2.


"1 Again I looked and saw all the oppression that was taking place under the sun:


I saw the tears of the oppressed—

and they have no comforter;

power was on the side of their oppressors—

and they have no comforter.

2 And I declared that the dead,

who had already died,

are happier than the living,

who are still alive.

3 But better than both

is the one who has never been born,

who has not seen the evil

that is done under the sun."
Ecclesiastes 4:1, 4:2, 4:3


"Life is so terrible, it would have been better not to have been
born. Who is so lucky? Not one in a hundred thousand!"
Jewish saying

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Re: Post an unpopular/ controversial opinion [Re: 1234go]
    #22355931 - 10/09/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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1234go said:
Sheekle





You're like so funny bro


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: Post an unpopular/ controversial opinion [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22355960 - 10/09/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Muslims suck and don't belong in Europe and socialist liberals of Europe are corrupt and giving free shit to them so that they can be elected back in office by the Muzzies

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Re: Post an unpopular/ controversial opinion [Re: Janky Tits]
    #22356031 - 10/09/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

“Consider the Koran, for example; this wretched book was sufficient to start a world-religion, to satisfy the metaphysical needs of countless millions for twelve hundred years, to become the basis of their morality and of a remarkable contempt for death, and also to inspire them to bloody wars and the most extensive conquests. Much may be lost in translation, but I have not been able to discover in it one single idea of value.”

― Arthur Schopenhauer

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Re: Post an unpopular/ controversial opinion [Re: 1234go]
    #22356042 - 10/09/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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1234go said:
Sheekle



skunkhrt


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Re: Post an unpopular/ controversial opinion [Re: Sheekle]
    #22356208 - 10/09/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That cat in your sig looks like its cunthrt  because of the black line in between its legs.

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Re: Post an unpopular/ controversial opinion [Re: shaakle]
    #22356220 - 10/09/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

that Israel & Zionist jews are the largest threat to humanity, far surpassing people like the Chinese and North Koreans

Edited by Adolin (10/09/15 08:16 PM)

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