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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: cronicr]
    #21068536 - 01/04/15 09:52 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not even sure its an issue. So far I have yet to notice much difference between bulk bottles, cased grains, and spawned bulk. The genetics matter more IME.

Which is a damn good reason to start messing with clones and isolates. Most feedback from my friends is that most of my stuff is too strong :shrug:

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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: Violet]
    #21068537 - 01/04/15 09:53 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

How well do the pp5 qt's retain humidity compared to mason jars?
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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #21068539 - 01/04/15 09:53 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

There's nothing wrong with anecdotes because they are our experience and can help establish a pattern over time, especially if others experience or recognize the same pattern. This is sometimes how we start to make correlations and, later, potentially discover causality.

I've read that thread a couple of times and the connection between longer consolidation and potency seems reasonable. Since there is no data or "proof" for or against it, I'd say to test yourselves and see what happens and post your experience.

I am interested in the possible science behind it though. It would be cool to know why it happens, if indeed it does, and then figure out how to fake the mechanism, or get around it somehow, so you don't actually have to risk higher contam rates from the extra time sitting.


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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21068542 - 01/04/15 09:54 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Which is a damn good reason to start messing with clones and isolates. Most feedback from my friends is that most of my stuff is too strong :shrug:





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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21068544 - 01/04/15 09:54 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

How long is the waiting period for trading I need to get some spores off you guys with these super strong strains so I can do my own testing :rastamon:


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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: BluntsenBurner] * 1
    #21068547 - 01/04/15 09:55 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

That's.. not how spores work.  That's also not how trading works.  You can trade with anyone who's willing to trade with you anytime you want.  The requirements are for the marketplace forum, not trading itself.  Maybe you'll get a PM right now from someone with prints.


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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21068552 - 01/04/15 09:57 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Oh for sure, none of this really comes to matter reliably without an isolate of SOME quality.


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Regarding consolidation time, does this seem to apply mostly to the final substrate or can something that has been consolidated be spawned again and still retain some of whatever has affected the potency?  I would imagine if using bulk substrates, that you would want to consolidate those, vs the grain.



That's what PrimalSoup was doing, and it would be my recommendation.

Some people did experiments with using consolidated "spawn".  I don't really know of the results, and admit to suspecting that they wouldn't be as significant if relevant at all since the mycelium that is maturing on those grains is destroyed.

Pretty sure our very own cronicr was one of the people who did that experiment.  I wonder as to crons findings.  Maybe we'll get a chime-in.





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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #21068556 - 01/04/15 09:57 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

would be a good community project.


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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: Violet]
    #21068561 - 01/04/15 09:58 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Oh for sure, none of this really comes to matter reliably without an isolate of SOME quality.



Send me some agar then mayne lmao *edit* People take things too literally, I'll choose my words more carefully so I don't cause a riot


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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: Inocuole]
    #21068569 - 01/04/15 09:59 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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That's.. not how spores work.  That's also not how trading works.  You can trade with anyone who's willing to trade with you anytime you want.  The requirements are for the marketplace forum, not trading itself.  Maybe you'll get a PM right now from someone with prints.



Well then what is the point of the marketplace? advertising?
And I was joking about the spores, if you look at my recent posts all I've been reading up on lately is agar.


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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: BluntsenBurner]
    #21068576 - 01/04/15 10:01 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Well then what is the point of the marketplace? advertising?
And I was joking about the spores, if you look at my recent posts all I've been reading up on lately is agar.




It's like a forum for classified ads.  Can't trade anything illegal so it's not that different from just PMing someone.  It's just for making listings and whatnot.


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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: Inocuole]
    #21068578 - 01/04/15 10:01 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I would rather have a spore print from a potent fruit than a weak fruit anyday :shrug:

Someone should do isolates then build two fruiting chambers, one dry and one morre humid. Or one FC colder and the other warmer.

I wonder if a pattern of potency will emerge from the depths of the unique fruiting chambers...


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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: Inocuole]
    #21068592 - 01/04/15 10:04 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Oh for sure, none of this really comes to matter reliably without an isolate of SOME quality.



Send me some agar then mayne lmao




Now you done fucked up.

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Check em out.  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14960167

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Well then what is the point of the marketplace? advertising?
And I was joking about the spores, if you look at my recent posts all I've been reading up on lately is agar.




It's like a forum for classified ads.  Can't trade anything illegal so it's not that different from just PMing someone.  It's just for making listings and whatnot.



I made an edit, I was under the impression you couldn't even ship an isolate without hurting it some how, was a joke


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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: BluntsenBurner]
    #21068601 - 01/04/15 10:07 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

If you went to the trouble to make an edit why'd you quote the original text?  :lol:

For purely scientific reasons I can assure you that they can survive being shipped.


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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: Inocuole]
    #21068613 - 01/04/15 10:09 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

This was just getting good and no bullshit yet. Can we get back on topic?


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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: Violet]
    #21068630 - 01/04/15 10:12 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

How do we even judge potency? lolz. Like, wouldn't we just want to grow a difference species for more potency? Seems easier in my opinion.

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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: blackdust]
    #21068650 - 01/04/15 10:16 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I just eat them till they hit.

Works every time.


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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: blackdust]
    #21068654 - 01/04/15 10:17 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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How do we even judge potency? lolz. Like, wouldn't we just want to grow a difference species for more potency? Seems easier in my opinion.



You're gonna be tripping balls a lot basically. And that is an easier route but I believe cubes are the easiest to grow and give you the best yields.


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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: BluntsenBurner]
    #21068691 - 01/04/15 10:26 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Potency is a sensitive subject for many people. It's laden with variables, and worst of all it's not currently possible to quantifiably determine.
The solution that is most taken and shared is to forget about trying to control potency because of how many variables there are.

I've seen many variations of the following sentiment: "Potency is irrelevant. If you want to trip harder, eat more".
That rule-of-thumb works perfectly fine for fungi that you may already have. But this isn't "The Psychedelic Experience" this is "Mushroom Cultivation"; we are acting BEFORE the fact, which allows us to play whatever part in the potency of our project that we can.


Instilling apathy in ourselves and others about the strength of our cultivars is literally the opposite of the ideal way to handle it.

"Potency doesn't matter" is a very poor mentality to take regarding the very reason that we grow at all.
What if marijuana growers had stuck with this mentality? "Potency doesn't matter. If you want to get higher, smoke more." How much sense does THAT make? We'd all be smoking autumn leaves still!






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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: blackdust]
    #21068706 - 01/04/15 10:31 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

If someone could figure out a pure psilocybin extract like a dmt crystal extract.. you would just weight it with the right kind of scale.

do whatever test you think may help the myc reach its genetic maximum potential for psilocybin production... additives, consolidation.
have your control/controls... isolate, substrate etc...

do your grows extract crystals from each grow then compare.
if there's is a repeatable result then you could conclude that this or that directly effects this or that.


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