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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21063012 - 01/03/15 07:23 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Over the years it's become clear this place isn't really a "psychedelic spirituality" forum for those who celebrate psychedelics....  Rather, it's a psychedelics-irreparably-distorted-my-worldview-and-fucked-up-my-life-and-now-I use-spirituality (in place of psychotherapy, drug addiction counseling etc.) to-get-better-forum.  :ohwell:




Well let's not make the mistake of assuming we were all fine before we started taking psychedelics. I was pretty messed up then too, so I highly doubt drug addiction counseling was the answer to my problems considering I did not even take drugs back then. If I could afford good  psychotherapy I would like to give that a try.

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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: Deviate]
    #21063034 - 01/03/15 07:26 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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if you try to look at things from an objective standpoint I could easily be wrong.



I'm not looking from objective standpoints, I prefer the subjective approach, as that's the position I have to live life from anyway, as do we all :biggrin:

If Jan's video produced any useful noticeable change in your NS and other viewers', absolutely more power to you guys. I'm actually looking for this kind of stuff. I've shown up to all kinds of places, not to debunk or anything of the sort, but ready and willing to have my world shaken. Some of them delivered, some didn't. Those that didn't I have no choice but to identify as at least ineffective for me personally.

I really wish our chubby happy blinking friend Jan would have gotten me doing yoga poses or in fact anything at all, that you guys seem to be getting out of it.

There's nothing to "prove" about these things, as it's all subjective, but we can certainly share the feedback, how my experience might have differed from other viewers. In my case, personally, his shaktipat vid was about as effective as a communion cracker :lol:

I'm starting to see a pattern here btw, communion crackers don't work on me, neither does holy water, neither does kissing crosses and icons as is customary in Orthodox churches, neither does eating the bread and wine, having my forehead oiled with that fancy myrrh oil or whatever it is, neither does confession seem to do much at all one way or the other. I've tried them, when I was younger I actually tried some of them with a straight face, did absolutely nothing for me.

Aya in church and shrooms while listening to the church choir, absoultely seem to work fine though, and to a more limited extent the colored light patterns of stained glass and the engaging, dynamic Baptist songs, though nothing to write home about, they don't quite part the skies.

Maybe in the future we'll see some more studies on this, correlating a certain type of brain wiring, to responses to a certain kind of ritual and set&setting and lack of response to others.


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For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it,
and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.
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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: Spacerific]
    #21063545 - 01/03/15 09:05 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Like I said, I am all for sharing feedback and if you didn't notice anything from the video I want to hear about it. I agree with pretty much everything you said in that last post, but I can't help but feel like you have changed your tune a bit from prior postings.

If we are just sharing feedback and it's not about proving anything , why the need to ask so many challenging questions in your other posts as if this were some sort of debate?

For example, in one of your other posts you said:

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But can anything of note come from waving a biscuit in the air and saying a few words? I've been to churches, drank the wine, ate the bread and cracker and had my forehead smeared with this or that oil, I am pretty sure that absolutely nothing happened. There's nothing there, it's a biscuit and some dude in fancy robes, normal regular textiles. Impact on neurology = minimal.




That's fine, if you don't believe in the Real Presence I already said you have a lot of company even among Christians. But I pick up an arrogance in your words, a sentiment that you are somehow more qualified to judge these things than the people who feel they benefit from them coupled with the notion that you are spiritually superior. For example, you claim "Impact on neurology = minimal" as though we are all in agreement that the value of the Holy Eucharist lies in its impact on neurology, because that's what we Catholics believe the Eucharist is meant to do, alter our neurology, right?

Actually (and this is a theory I came up with my own and then later it was "confirmed" to me when I listened to Adyashanti give a talk on it) there are different levels of awakening as it relates to the physical body. Adyashanti identified at least three, awakening at the level of the mind, the level of the heart and the level of the gut. He said it is possible to be very awake at the level of mind for instance and yet not very awake and the level of heart and different religions focus on awakening at different levels. It seems to me like you are very into the neurological aspects of awakening and how the brain and nervous system may change with awakening. But that is not the only dimension in which spiritual unfolding can take place.

For example, Jan teaches that because the Self, which is pure being is ever present, it can be realized in an instant. The Self is beyond the mind and thus it is not dependent on the neurological state of the brain. Now of course, there are neuroglocal correlates to awakening, as once the Self is recognized, the brain then needs to restructure itself in order to be able to maintain states of realization and a great many other changes may also take place leading to various states of spiritual empowerment which can be distinquished from basic Self-realization.

Now when it comes to Christianity, Christianity is very much a religion of the heart. In my experience, my practice of Chrisianity has not had a great impact on my neurology, Christianity instead stirs up an awareness of myself on the level of the spiritual heart, which feels deeper than the mind and the brain. At the level of heart, one does not have to care about neurological impacts, and all that other stuff you always talk about. Awakening can cease to feel like your responsibility, as you grow content to just love God and trust that his grace will take care of your spiritual needs. From my point of view, its a very different experience of awakening. If you study the Bible you will find a significant number of the stories and parables are of very limited (if any) value in terms of explaining spiritual concepts or providing us with techniques and definitions. This confused me to no end when I first picked up the Bible, because I was expecting it be something like "GOD - the users manual version 1.0". But now I see that these stories are not necessarily meant to teach us anything conceptual, but simply to activate and draw attention toward the heart. Beauty of the teaching itself is itself one of the teaching methods. Different things speak to different people and I will admit that when you state that the Eucharist is severely underpoweered compared to LSD as though it were an objective fact and not simply your experience, it does come off as disrespectful.  I think it is a good idea to respect what is sacred to others, even if you dont find it sacred yourself. We live in a society that has lost its sense of the sacred and I feel like begining to respect what is sacred to others, in the first step we can take toward bringing the sacred back into our culture. I am very used to being made fun of and disrepected for practicing Christianity, but I think the most difficult thing for me is when people challenge me to give logical reasons, explanations or proofs for why I do so. It is not because I cannot come up with such reasons, if need be, I could list a whole list of logical reasons to be a Christian, but somehow that is beside the point for me. Christianity appealed to me not for any logical reason, it appealed to me because it spoke to my heart and it changed my heart. And that is not something I have control over. I didn't choose for that to happen, there was no logical process of deciding that the stories in the Bible should grab my heart the way that they did.

Many of these Christian rituals that you seem to think are so worthless, activate and awaken places in my heart and as such they are not worthless to me. If you think its placebo, thats fine but the way you state your opinions, you sometime make it sound like you are stating facts and you are obviously right and whoever disagrees with you must be deluded.

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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: Deviate]
    #21063918 - 01/03/15 10:27 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Well you do have a few points here.

On me challenging your beliefs and/or experiences, I do believe you're right, and I've perhaps changed my tune a bit as that attitude might simply be against the forum rules. I'm still :rolleyes:'ing pretty hard internally, but if the forum rules here sayeth to STFU about it, so I am trying my best to do.

If it matters, I am doing my best to apply the Golden Rule here, and I expect the same to be applied to me. I think it's useful and helpful, for our beliefs to be tested, called bullshit on every once in a while, because that kind of stress will quickly reveal what stands on its own against all doubts, and what's hopes and wishes that crumble under scrutiny. You'll find that true belief, if called bullshit on, will simply bring on plenty of evidence for itself. If some fool tells me LSD or Aya or the psytrance adventures didn't work for me, my first reaction is :lol: and my second one is a long list of the hows and whats, of what exactly I've been taught and given, that I am perfectly comfy with anyone examining at any length, from any angle.

Other, flimsier beliefs that I once had, shattered and had to be abandoned, when asked that simple question - show me. Demonstrate. Pinpoint. I couldn't do it, I was just talking the talk and hoping that it's so, and I found that when these beliefs are really questioned, the reaction isn't a healthy :lol:, it's a sort of :mad2: and annoyance, how DARE he question this and that, defensiveness, etc.

I'm not that sure what attracts me to you specifically, to challenge your stuff in this way, but I'm constantly getting this feeling that you're displaying a bit more than you actually have. That for all the lip service to how awesome the rituals have been for you, there's some unexamined stuff there that's not quite right yet, and this kind of stress test is the only way to bring it to the light of day, so you can see it and then do whatever you want about it, if anything.

But yeah, the forum rules are not with me on this one, not here, so in the interest of not getting warnings and bans and all that, I'll just cool it as much as I can, with the aggressive attitude.


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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: Deviate]
    #21063977 - 01/03/15 10:48 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Well let's not make the mistake of assuming we were all fine before we started taking psychedelics. I was pretty messed up then too, so I highly doubt drug addiction counseling was the answer to my problems considering I did not even take drugs back then. If I could afford good  psychotherapy I would like to give that a try.




Well, I get it..... Tim Leary was far less neurotic than Richard Alpert (whose personality was considerably more damaged from being gay in the '50s amongst other things).  For Leary the psychedelics were the answer, but for Alpert they were a limited trip, they just couldn't fully transform him.  They couldn't solve his predicament, something was always missing....  Now you may take preference to Alpert-Ram Dass, because you're more similar to him, but if you think people like yourself have greater depth on the inside dope of enlightenment or spirituality, you're missing the point, just as Space is.  Ram Dass was a huge appreciator for the way Leary manifested and vice versa... Even when they took jabs at each other, it was in good fun and education, nothing personal.

You may never have that complete earthy zen-sensory-flow of that sexy burning man chick Space linked.  Your base personality type may not allow for it, particularly with all the bad circumstances, but you could probably stand to take a lesson or two to improve/balance it out at least a little bit in such regards and so could Jan imho...  Space could probably improve in the empathy department, be a little less judgmental.

I've met plenty of people who laughed like a dead horse and eyes darted all over the place who taught me more than you could ever imagine.  I could not live in the same house with such a person without it starting to freak me out, but I could fully enjoy a concert with them without it zapping my spirit :tongue2:.

There's probably some way we could all co-exist with each other on the S&M forums without the constant nitpicking, not excluding myself in the slightest, as this forum was designed to avoid the pitfalls of PP&S, but seldom ever does.

So there we have it, laugh like a broken record bobo the clown blowup doll and blink too much and have superior metaphysical wisdom in the divine order of things, or go wank a superior orgasm with some mud and a glow stick for the goddess of discord.  Nirvana is Samsara.

And in the end, 99.9999999999999999999999999999999% of the universe remains indifferent to human affairs.

I bid you all goodnight.  :goodnight:


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

Edited by CosmicJoke (01/03/15 11:15 PM)

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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21064359 - 01/04/15 01:52 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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You may never have that complete earthy zen-sensory-flow of that sexy burning man chick Space linked.  Your base personality type may not allow for it, particularly with all the bad circumstances



I disagree with this. Maybe I'm wrong about disagreeing, I've been overly optimistic before, assuming that psychedelics can do for everyone what they've done so easily for me. Time will tell on that, after a few years of more testing.

But as I see it now, I think everyone can hit that state. Every single primate on this blue planet can hit the direct experience, not with yadda yadda scripture text in their head, but with a silent one, non-grammatical, non-scriptural, non-denominational movement.

The only catch is, the text-heavy primate cannot do it, because the grammar itself, the words-in-the-head are a breaker of that flow. That's I think why I am so very tempted to call bullshit on excessive text, convoluted words, as Alan Watts calls it, thinking about thinking, and books about books. It's not the content that I'm disproving, the content might be accurate and hooray for the guy who wrote the book for having that experience, but I am rather dismissive of other people regurgitating that one, second hand, as opposed to simply letting the text go and sharing their own.

I'm not sure how far I should go into this, but there's that character of "I know this is true because Adyashanti said it" and in general, most Deviate posts that I run across here have some sort of pointing away from self, from direct experience, over to Jesus Christ. Over to Jan. Over to Adyashanti or Mary or whoever. I think I've been reading them for months and months and I have yet to hear a single direct experience or sense impression of Deviate, that has no footnotes. And everything that has footnotes, I tend to not take that seriously, as I know it doesn't come from the core, from the mature heart, from the very cock and balls of the person, ringing true all the way.

What I'm trying to say here is that I believe in Deviate, the entity, as-is, without any further need for improvement. None. No salvation, sin-burning and forgiving, nothing of the sort. It is unnecessary. I absolutely believe that the lens is clear enough right now, and will start to deliver awesome accurate information, if it will just be looked through, as opposed to dismissed in favor of other people's illustrations. But is constantly, consistently dismissed and ignored, in favor of other people's illustrations.

Does this make any sense?

I've tried the "text" awareness. Didn't do shit for me. I still felt stiff and tense and didn't breathe quite right, although I had the right words in my head. The awesome just wasn't there. Then things happened and I found the direct experience, and found that I absolutely have no further need for text. Furthermore I found that excessive immersion in text, in grammar, just breaks the magic. That's why I've been using words like the ta-dee-dah of life, the trololo and too-dee-doo, or smileys like :courtjester: - to express that this deeply connected state is most of the time wordless. Textless. All of nature does it, all the animals, all the kids dwell in it up until they start to be conditioned to exist only at the speed of text and words and grammatically correct mouth noises, and the tension associated to that absolutely melts away as soon as you're ready to give up the text and go woo hoo :banana:

Now has anyone seen many priests or monks do that any time recently? :lol:

Last time I checked, most or all of their activities are pretty much diametrically opposed to this, lost in a constant stream of slowly shuffling feet and text mumbling.


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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: Spacerific]
    #21064450 - 01/04/15 02:43 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Well you do have a few points here.

On me challenging your beliefs and/or experiences, I do believe you're right, and I've perhaps changed my tune a bit as that attitude might simply be against the forum rules. I'm still :rolleyes:'ing pretty hard internally, but if the forum rules here sayeth to STFU about it, so I am trying my best to do.

If it matters, I am doing my best to apply the Golden Rule here, and I expect the same to be applied to me. I think it's useful and helpful, for our beliefs to be tested, called bullshit on every once in a while, because that kind of stress will quickly reveal what stands on its own against all doubts, and what's hopes and wishes that crumble under scrutiny. You'll find that true belief, if called bullshit on, will simply bring on plenty of evidence for itself. If some fool tells me LSD or Aya or the psytrance adventures didn't work for me, my first reaction is :lol: and my second one is a long list of the hows and whats, of what exactly I've been taught and given, that I am perfectly comfy with anyone examining at any length, from any angle.

Other, flimsier beliefs that I once had, shattered and had to be abandoned, when asked that simple question - show me. Demonstrate. Pinpoint. I couldn't do it, I was just talking the talk and hoping that it's so, and I found that when these beliefs are really questioned, the reaction isn't a healthy :lol:, it's a sort of :mad2: and annoyance, how DARE he question this and that, defensiveness, etc.

I'm not that sure what attracts me to you specifically, to challenge your stuff in this way, but I'm constantly getting this feeling that you're displaying a bit more than you actually have. That for all the lip service to how awesome the rituals have been for you, there's some unexamined stuff there that's not quite right yet, and this kind of stress test is the only way to bring it to the light of day, so you can see it and then do whatever you want about it, if anything.

But yeah, the forum rules are not with me on this one, not here, so in the interest of not getting warnings and bans and all that, I'll just cool it as much as I can, with the aggressive attitude.




There is a lot of unexamined stuff that needs to be gotten rid of. I am just a beginner on this spiritual journey. Sometimes I can get carried away with my awe and reverence for God in the Christian religion, but I consider myself very much a beginner.

When it comes to beliefs, i try to see them all as rather insigicant. I am into Christian mysticism and we Christian mystics do not believe in beliefs, I mean we acknowledge their existence and at times usefulness but we do not offer them safe harbor nor do we build our own houses from them or even their precursors. They are mere mental abstractions of the infinite, which cannot be abstracted and thus must be completely let go of in order for union of the soul with the divine. I would recommend reading The Cloud of Unkowing or Dark Night of the Soul by St. John of the Cross if you are interested in this type of contemplation and how it can accomplished.

That is why I don't like being challenged point by point, debate style. I just don't see anything there worth of expending great effort over. I am more interested in general attitudes or generalizations, general concepts. for example if you think see a recurring theme running through my posts that is indicative of some breed of delusion, by all means bring it to my attention. I am very open to answering general questions and challenges that won't take up an inordinate amount of time.

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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: Deviate]
    #21064479 - 01/04/15 03:24 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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I disagree with this. Maybe I'm wrong about disagreeing, I've been overly optimistic before, assuming that psychedelics can do for everyone what they've done so easily for me. Time will tell on that, after a few years of more testing.




I don't think psychedelics are as good as you think they are. Most of the people who use psychedelics are not changed in some incredible positive way. Just look at what happened back in the 1960s when the usage of psychedelics reached epidemic proportions. Did the hippies get enlightened? No, they just made groovy music. Nothing wrong with groovy music of course, I think psychedelics are great but I believe there truest value is not one of recreation though, nor even one of spiritual enlightenment for the soul which approacheth enlightenment needeth not psychedelics for he hath learned to stand spiritually on his own two legs. Nay, I believe the great value of psychedelics is their ability to heal. I believe that this is an area in which the psychedelics should be explored further, for I feel as though their true healing potential has not even been unleashed yet. God graciously created many plants and herbs and things to heal us, and then he scattered them throughout the forests of the earth. I believe that the natural psychedelics are among the most prized of these healing gifts.  I am not categorically opposed to the use of unnatural chemicals like LSD but I believe them to be of great inferiority in comparison to natural chemicals like mushrooms.

Despite the great potential of psychedelics I believe this is a potential that has gone untapped in our society, largely for social, political and economic reasons. The states of consciousness psychedelics induce can often be states which are in a way "taboo" in our culture. It can almost be like peeling back the curtains and suddenly remembering that almost everything your culture has taught you to believe is true and valid and good is false and a lie and the only inherently good thing, if you are even lucky enough to perceive it is God and the rest is mere phenomena. Noise appearing on the screen of eternity. Your culture programmed your brain to chase after ripples in this noise as though your very life depended on it, when the whole time there was a deeper truth ever starring you in the face with its eternal grin. Next thing you know, you are realizing your body isn't yours either. It too is just mere phenomena and it is unfolding as it is destined to with or without yoru cooperation. THere is nothing you can do about it.

Anyway, my point is that one must be a courageous soul in order to take to heart what psychedelics have to teach us and really live it, if for no other reason than that it means being different from 95% of the people whom you meet in the world and resisting the flow of the mass consciousness and the way society tells us we should be.

In my experience, few people truly have the capacity or the will to actually allow this shift to take place and as a result, the real potential of psychedelic drug remains hidden and untapped as people are more concerned with fitting in and conforming to society's standards and norms then truly discovering themselves.

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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: Deviate]
    #21064957 - 01/04/15 09:05 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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I am into Christian mysticism and we Christian mystics do not believe in beliefs, I mean we acknowledge their existence and at times usefulness but we do not offer them safe harbor nor do we build our own houses from them



How exactly do you mean this? From where I'm standing, most, if not all of your model of the world is built not only on beliefs, but on OTHER PEOPLE's beliefs, as taken in from books.

I know this may be harder to perceive from your end, if you hang out among daily text consumers, if conversation (with other texters or conversations in-your-head, with the books or imagery formed from them) is the main part of your day, it very well would be possible that you don't get what I'm saying, being much like a fish in water. Water? Too much water everywhere? What water? :lol:

I assure you, from all the people I've seen post on the Shroomery, your posts alone stand out as being written by a person that most of their day, lives inside text. Inside books. I know you post here about "the heart" and so on, you post words about it, yet it's all heavily distorted with other people's convoluted formulations, far far away from your direct experience, as expressed in plain English.

Like with all being expressing themselves, I don't think there's a problem with it, as long as they know what they're doing, doing it with awareness. But I don't think you're aware, that you live in text, that most of your life goes through your head alone, mainly as text, that you are doing to yourself a certain type of yadda-yadda in your head that, at least in my experience, will for ever and ever keep you separate from the simple, straightforward experience that all the texts talk about.

Do you know this? Are you at all aware?

If you know you're doing it, and have some strategy, completely different from mine, whereby text and words don't disrupt that state, then that's fine. Move and exist in a library. But do you know this takes place within you?

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They are mere mental abstractions of the infinite, which cannot be abstracted and thus must be completely let go of in order for union of the soul with the divine.



So do you then see a point when you'll let your current levels of clinging to text and labels, ease up and drift away? Do you see a point where you'll still go through the motions of church (which is perfectly fine) and not think of what you're doing as "The Eucharist, the Body of Christ" yadda yadda, but simply see:



... and when people ask what you've been up to, instead of long winded text explanations you'll simply gesture, nom-nom-nom :banana:. Do you see that coming your way?

If you see that, if you understand that this kind of simplicity is where it's all going, then awesome. If not, if it'll always be text text text, yadda yadda yadda, Eucharist Jesus Mary Joseph and a fantastic array of fancy words that only you and a few Biblical scholars know, then
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I would recommend reading yadda yadda blah blah blablablah



No, I am not interested in Christian texts. I am interested in mystical experience, AS IT HAPPENS in others. If I show up to a dojo and want to see the kind of kung fu practiced there, all I have to do is look. I will see how they move, breathe, punch, kick, jump, spin, or whatever it is the style involves, and I may or may not want to practice it, but I'll know it's this effective. By the breaking of bricks, bones, by the exhalation and punching strength demonstrated, by the elegance of movement, this is all obvious, in plain sight, and needs precisely zero verbal communication. Maybe the occasional kia! or whatever screams they use, but those have no grammar, and so are text-free.

If the guys there have to send me to the website, give me books to read from the library, in other words if they can't demonstrate shit other than yadda yadda, not only will I not be interested, but furthermore I will claim that that's not a dojo, and they are not practicing any kind of kung fu whatsoever. It's a reading club about other people that may or may not be practicing kung fu, but these guys before me certainly aren't practicing, so there's nothing to learn from them AND they're deluded. The sign above their door should not say dojo, it should say reading club. Which I think is perfectly fine, nothing wrong with reading and reading clubs, just label them appropriately and don't delude yourself about it.

The very fact that I am telling you, IMO you dwell much too much in text, and your response is "here have this mountain of text" shows me you probably are a fish that lives in water and has no idea that it's wet, nor swimming. My invitation is to leave the water for a while, see what air feels like. Not just a few bubbles here and there, but actually delving face first, all the way into it. If that makes sense, all your books talk of a medium other than the common water. A medium that's lighter, (enLIGHTened) and that can be reached by simply swimming straight up, for not even that great of a distance. The catch is that the books where you read about it are on the bottom of the lake, and the action of swimming up cannot be performed WHILE reading the books about how to swim up. So at the end of every reading session, you have the choice: swim up, or get YET ANOTHER book (or re-read old ones) about how one could potentially swim upwards.

Does this make any sense? I don't mean if you agree with me, I mean does the concept carry over at all?

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Despite the great potential of psychedelics I believe this is a potential that has gone untapped in our society, largely for social, political and economic reasons.



Not in my society. Maybe in those around me, but their live in their respective bubbles. If theirs is unempowered psychedelically, then that's their business, sad for them :shrug:

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The states of consciousness psychedelics induce can often be states which are in a way "taboo" in our culture.



Not in my culture. Over here they are the primary driver of activity.

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Your culture programmed your brain to chase after ripples in this noise as though your very life depended on it, when the whole time there was a deeper truth ever starring you in the face with its eternal grin.



Exactly. So after seeing the grin, what need is there for further fidgeting, endless text, shaktipat chasing and so on? It' perfect as is. Your seed is growing perfectly. Do you feel perfect?

That's the basic question I have for you, and I've put different versions of it to you, all of them unanswered.

Do you feel perfect NOW, or do you feel you still need
- shaktipat transmission
- further teaching and instruction
- forgiveness of sins
- deliverance, salvation
- anything else other than simply :banana: :holyshitbubbles:

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Next thing you know, you are realizing your body isn't yours either. It too is just mere phenomena and it is unfolding as it is destined to with or without yoru cooperation. THere is nothing you can do about it.



Exactly. Do you feel this and feel free to :banana: in complete freedom about and around it, or have you just read it in some book somewhere, written by other people that have felt it?

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Anyway, my point is that one must be a courageous soul in order to take to heart what psychedelics have to teach us and really live it, if for no other reason than that it means being different from 95% of the people whom you meet in the world and resisting the flow of the mass consciousness and the way society tells us we should be.



Of course. But if one finds the courage, that 95% does go down over time. Some people, at least the perceptive ones, will see that you're empowered, drop the mainstream shit they were doing and hop aboard the psych train. They may have their own versions of exploring and expressing it, but you'll now both be different than the mere society imprinted drones. Very rewarding to see even one such soul wake up from the dream pulled over their eyes :biggrin:

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In my experience, few people truly have the capacity or the will to actually allow this shift to take place and as a result, the real potential of psychedelic drug remains hidden and untapped as people are more concerned with fitting in and conforming to society's standards and norms then truly discovering themselves.



Well ARE YOU more concerned with fitting into your society? Of Christians, of cracker eaters and so on?

In other words, regardless of what you say here, do you actually stand out in church, or if I showed up to mass tomorrow, I couldn't point you out in a crowd, because you blend in it like the others? Do you express what your heart tells you, or what some books say that should be expressed?


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    #21064989 - 01/04/15 09:15 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I never really understood why people think "shaktipat" is the transference of something. It isn't!! It is just the flipping of the switch from the "OFF" position, to "ON". That is all. Of course if you are guarding your "switch" in the "Off" position, it won't be flipped "ON"!

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    #21065063 - 01/04/15 09:47 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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You may never have that complete earthy zen-sensory-flow of that sexy burning man chick Space linked.  Your base personality type may not allow for it, particularly with all the bad circumstances



I disagree with this. Maybe I'm wrong about disagreeing, I've been overly optimistic before, assuming that psychedelics can do for everyone what they've done so easily for me. Time will tell on that, after a few years of more testing.

But as I see it now, I think everyone can hit that state. Every single primate on this blue planet can hit the direct experience, not with yadda yadda scripture text in their head, but with a silent one, non-grammatical, non-scriptural, non-denominational movement.

The only catch is, the text-heavy primate cannot do it, because the grammar itself, the words-in-the-head are a breaker of that flow. That's I think why I am so very tempted to call bullshit on excessive text, convoluted words, as Alan Watts calls it, thinking about thinking, and books about books. It's not the content that I'm disproving, the content might be accurate and hooray for the guy who wrote the book for having that experience, but I am rather dismissive of other people regurgitating that one, second hand, as opposed to simply letting the text go and sharing their own.

I'm not sure how far I should go into this, but there's that character of "I know this is true because Adyashanti said it" and in general, most Deviate posts that I run across here have some sort of pointing away from self, from direct experience, over to Jesus Christ. Over to Jan. Over to Adyashanti or Mary or whoever. I think I've been reading them for months and months and I have yet to hear a single direct experience or sense impression of Deviate, that has no footnotes. And everything that has footnotes, I tend to not take that seriously, as I know it doesn't come from the core, from the mature heart, from the very cock and balls of the person, ringing true all the way.

What I'm trying to say here is that I believe in Deviate, the entity, as-is, without any further need for improvement. None. No salvation, sin-burning and forgiving, nothing of the sort. It is unnecessary. I absolutely believe that the lens is clear enough right now, and will start to deliver awesome accurate information, if it will just be looked through, as opposed to dismissed in favor of other people's illustrations. But is constantly, consistently dismissed and ignored, in favor of other people's illustrations.

Does this make any sense?

I've tried the "text" awareness. Didn't do shit for me. I still felt stiff and tense and didn't breathe quite right, although I had the right words in my head. The awesome just wasn't there. Then things happened and I found the direct experience, and found that I absolutely have no further need for text. Furthermore I found that excessive immersion in text, in grammar, just breaks the magic. That's why I've been using words like the ta-dee-dah of life, the trololo and too-dee-doo, or smileys like :courtjester: - to express that this deeply connected state is most of the time wordless. Textless. All of nature does it, all the animals, all the kids dwell in it up until they start to be conditioned to exist only at the speed of text and words and grammatically correct mouth noises, and the tension associated to that absolutely melts away as soon as you're ready to give up the text and go woo hoo :banana:

Now has anyone seen many priests or monks do that any time recently? :lol:

Last time I checked, most or all of their activities are pretty much diametrically opposed to this, lost in a constant stream of slowly shuffling feet and text mumbling.





Well, I think people can definitely tune into their sensory side a bit more, give somebody some MDMA and have them juggle flags (seems a bit more forgiving and fun than balls to begin with).  And then of course, there's practice, practice, practice... With enough practice (and maybe a little bit of weight loss) I'm sure even Jan could be taught to ride a unicycle or juggle, maybe both simultaneously.  You have to practice it everyday though.  Nonetheless, some people are going to have natural aptitude for such things and be light years ahead of him, but he may be the best unicycle/juggler on his block if that's what he wanted.  That's the power of discipline.  Maybe he could settle for just being a little warmer and relaxed, just able to stretch out and loosen up, be more interested and engaged in the things he loves to babble about and less :boring:.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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    #21065143 - 01/04/15 10:19 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Exactly, that's what I mean.

Now by all means juggling or any kind of activity, ALL activity, is merely a carrier wave, not the "point" of it. One could use whistling, walking, blowing bubbles, anything can be done with a ta-dee-dah around it, that's a joy to behold.

People notice it when they (or others) are in love, there's that too-dee-doo, that bounce in one's walk, it's pretty unfakeable and unmistakeable. If you measure it, I bet there's specific electrical things you can pinpoint out (both inside the head, FMRI, as well as if you measured electrical impulses as they fire through nerves, to move the limbs, there's good amplitude, great signal-to-noise ratio) as well as a certain chemical mix that's flowing through the system. Way low on cortisol and other stress hormones, high on oxytocin and serotonin and what have you, I don't know the words and exact details about it, but we all know the state when we see it, right? And hear it as well. I've heard Alan Watts laugh and I knew he was in it. I haven't ever heard Jan laugh (I don't think he ever does actually, Mr. Serious, and look at those fucked up faces he's painting :rolleyes:) and so that's why I'm not really hearing nor seeing him. He's mumbling just fine, but that's about it, his ta-dee-dah is not there.

If he's in love with life, he has a strange way of not showing it :lol:


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    #21065159 - 01/04/15 10:24 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Maybe he could settle for just being a little warmer and relaxed, just able to stretch out and loosen up, be more interested and engaged in the things he loves to babble about and less :boring:.




I dunno i like the guy more just because he is so damn dull to listen to haha.  I prefer how he looks to on top of that. I often cant take/see right through the dressed up uppity or like 'excited' type 'teachers' :crazy:, excited people arent 100% fully used to/knowledgable what theyre on about, everything gets burnt out eventually. I rarely see a guru type online or irl anywhere that didnt come off to me as a bit fake in some way, one dimensional, etc, but what can you expect, most of them just sit around and talk and dont work, of course theyre happy :laugh: like osho is a bit odd, i think off in some ways, but the way he talks is so boring that i have to assume he knows something cause he talks like hes so used to it and its all old news to him.

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    #21065171 - 01/04/15 10:30 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Osho is odd as fuck, I mean I listen to Bashar as one of my main sources of knowledge/inspiration, and still I find Osho super odd :lol:


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    #21065180 - 01/04/15 10:34 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Osho is odd as fuck, I mean I listen to Bashar as one of my main sources of knowledge/inspiration, and still I find Osho super odd :lol:




yes, i've realised osho will go on for like an hour when he couldve said his stuff in 2 minutes. its like 'my speech will be : everything is love' 'you have 30 minutes to fill in' 'then itll be, eeeeeeeeeeeeevvvvvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeerrryyyythiiiiii....' :P

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    #21065229 - 01/04/15 10:48 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Osho is odd as fuck, I mean I listen to Bashar as one of my main sources of knowledge/inspiration, and still I find Osho super odd :lol:




Osho had much worldly spiritual and worldly knowledge (of which many of his followers were lacking and overestimating) but was a deviant. He had sex with and was financially worshiped by his followers to the point of luxury, wearing all kinds of jewelry and shit and he was addicted to nitrous oxide. Very strange guy but sublime sense of humor and surely had some useful and correct perspectives at any rate.

I still watch him from time to time. He used his Self realization and sophistry to seductively weave people into his likeness. All prominent philosophers use words in this way, you have to look behind the silkiness of his words. There is great knowledge and a definite realization of self but also trickery and indulgence/hedonism mixed with all kinds of different things. We like to be able to put people in a box of being either this or that but Osho can't be categorized into any boxes. That's probably why he seems so strange lol. His way of being and relating to the world after realization is so fucking hilarious, what a character lol

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    #21065594 - 01/04/15 12:09 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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I thought that was the whole point of the whole operation? What good is helping others and showing them the best magic they've ever laid eyes on, if you can't have some sincere appreciative sex with them?

Why do people frown so heavily on sex, orgies, guru-groupie sex, ashram orgies, all that? Isn't that THE VERY POINT of existence here?

What good is making tall complicated buildings, if at no point will you have massive orgies in them? What, shuffling papers? Frowning and dressing formally in them like people do in office buildings, that is a better use of the human capacity for generating technology?

I have the greatest respect for all gurus and teachers that bring joy, sex, nudity, cheerfulness in the midst of their followers and ashrams. A little body painting goes a long long way.

Also, robes are fucking awesome :thumbup:

I think Osho was weird for entirely different reasons. I don't know what he did to himself consumption-wise, but his speech patterns were slowed down toooooooo aaaaaaa craaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwlllllllllllllllllll :lol:


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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: Spacerific]
    #21065780 - 01/04/15 12:55 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

The reason sex is frowned upon is because the reproductive system plays a major role in the whole "enlightnment" process. I am not going to go into any details because these things will unfold to every individual in their own practice when the time is appropriate.

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I thought that was the whole point of the whole operation? What good is helping others and showing them the best magic they've ever laid eyes on, if you can't have some sincere appreciative sex with them?

Why do people frown so heavily on sex, orgies, guru-groupie sex, ashram orgies, all that? Isn't that THE VERY POINT of existence here?

What good is making tall complicated buildings, if at no point will you have massive orgies in them? What, shuffling papers? Frowning and dressing formally in them like people do in office buildings, that is a better use of the human capacity for generating technology?

I have the greatest respect for all gurus and teachers that bring joy, sex, nudity, cheerfulness in the midst of their followers and ashrams. A little body painting goes a long long way.

Also, robes are fucking awesome :thumbup:

I think Osho was weird for entirely different reasons. I don't know what he did to himself consumption-wise, but his speech patterns were slowed down toooooooo aaaaaaa craaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwlllllllllllllllllll :lol:



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    #21065806 - 01/04/15 01:02 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Well by all means I support not ABUSING the sex drive, if orgies and fucking is ALL that one can think about, that's certainly wasteful and counterproductive.

But a little spice sprinkled over life, a few nice gatherings every so often, I don't see how that would be so heavily frowned upon. Everything in healthy harmony and moderation, sex and skin contact included :thumbup:


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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: Spacerific]
    #21066251 - 01/04/15 02:38 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

It's basically when a yogi becomes this rock star to his disciples and enjoys power, adulation, money, and sex, it's all a front, just some asshole and his groupies.  Now an asshole and his groupies is fine, but let's drop the enlightenment charade.

I'm all for spiritual types getting together and having orgies, but master-student sex is lame if anyone literally believes in these roles, though it's perfectly legit to role-play such a fantasy scenario in the bedroom if that's your thing.


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