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SneezingPenis said: go to CC and then find a school (might even be the same CC) that will actually prepare you for a job... meaning not some nebulous major.
The only 3 real useful degrees from universities are medicine, law and business. everything else can be better learned by throwing yourself into the workforce or by going to community college.
Dead wrong. Education needs a 4 year degree. I agree with u though for majors like criminal justice.
Education needs a 4 year degree? What. ..? I got an associates in healthcare at a community college and make more money then 5 people I know who graduated from a 4 year university. Some of them do not even have jobs in their fields.
Well, would you want a bunch of morons who couldn't graduate a bachelors degree teach children? I mean without also getting a chemistry degree I don't know how people trust chemistry teachers. 
Frankly even with a chemistry major I feel vastly undereducated in chemistry to teach it, but the state says I've learned everything about chemistry I need.
Also us science educators, at least around these parts, can get basically all of their loans forgiven. So I'm basically getting two majors and two minors for free (eventually, after I enlighten the young-lings).
Can you elaborate on the loan forgiveness factor?
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Well if you are talking about "teaching" specifically, I get your point. I would definitely want someone who has a very decent education/knowledge on the subject.
I have taken chemistry and my teacher was a complete idiot. Did he know chemistry? Maybe... Did he know how to teach? Hell no.
I have had similar completely horrible teachers to where I have had to teach myself an entire class.
I am simply trying to tell OP or whoever it matters to that they can go to a CC in a short time and make more money then most people getting university degrees. Then you can upgrade from that associate degree and make even more money.
I see far to many retards going to a university and getting a worthless degree.
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Re: I'm Going to Community College next year [Re: EDM]
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I can hear that. Out of my class over the summer 50% of my class, with all secondary ed majors, were music/art ed. That's cool and all, but I see why science teachers are in high demand. You can get paid better with basically the same courses.
There are programs to get your loan forgiven/paid for time teaching in a high need district and subject. One of them is the teach USA stuff everyone talks about (some colleges rename it). In practice you receive a grant, and if conditions aren't met they become a loan. There are also programs you can get involved with, according to my advisor, once I start teaching.
A lot of subjects have programs, but I know if you are in a physical or life science subject you will qualify.
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There's high demand for teachers in K-12, and they make okay money. This isn't at all the case for the college level. It's very competitive at the college level, has zero job security, and it pays very poorly. However, the job has other benefits.
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Re: I'm Going to Community College next year [Re: nooneman]
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I actually envy you Thebooedocksaint
I have quite the passion for certain subjects. I get excited when it comes to speaking of said topics. Most of the topics are science and technology.
I know of one guy who became a chemistry major. He then started school recently in order to become a pharmacist. Apparently that is a good route to take. 90+k a year most likely.
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Re: I'm Going to Community College next year [Re: EDM]
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I originally started out intending to head to pharmacy school after graduating, but changed my mind in my senior year. Basically I didn't feel like 4 years of 100k a year school, the research job market looked like crap, and I didn't want to work a retail gig. If you can deal with that, however, its a great field. Other related fields like medicinal chemistry are also options if you find you don't want to go for a PharmD, but still want to work in the industry.
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Re: I'm Going to Community College next year [Re: matsc]
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Geology? That's my major atm
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Re: I'm Going to Community College next year [Re: matsc]
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matsc said: So, all depends on what you want to do. If you dont know yet, well, start taking random electives at a Community College till you find something that seems fun and follow the road until you either graduate or feel you know enough to get a job. No "one size fits all" answer here, just do what feels best for you.
I would take this advice with a grain of salt. Although exploring your options is important there are many ways to do this and some which involve substantially less cost/time than pissing around in community college.
Don't get me wrong - I 100% support the advice to both explore your options and start in a community college if you aren't extremely directed. However - i'd recommend looking into volunteering and/or working in a field, job shadowing/networking and doing extensive soul searching and career/market research before i'd randomly choose a bunch of college courses and hope for the best.
Perhaps I am reading too much into the above statement. The responsible way to do this would be to identify a field (business/finance, science, arts...) and start looking at possible career paths and then taking the most general courses which will count as transfer credit down the line, no matter what you choose....
Taking random courses without a plan seems like a potential waste to time and money.
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Re: I'm Going to Community College next year [Re: PDU] 1
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Oh yeah, if you know you can get a foot in the door in an industry/job you want without a certificate/degree/experience, by all means do so. I come from a background of an academic, and knew from the start that while I wasnt sure EXACTLY what it was I would end up, it was going to be one of the sciences. By "random electives" in my case I meant biology, geology, atmospheric sciences, microbiology, plant sci, physics, etc. I also took some courses I thought would be either fun (archaeology, for example) or I knew would cover gen eds (cinema, public speaking, etc). I also had some monumental failures (damn you economics).
So I had a general direction in mind when I started my randomness, this is true.
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Re: I'm Going to Community College next year [Re: matsc]
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I had little/no direction in life and picked up something I knew I was interested in learning and that would prove useful in the future. Im really happy with where I'm headed currently.
Finishing my carpentry diploma this Fall, been working in residential construction this summer building decks/houses and may go unionized in the industrial sector for a bit for increased pay/benefits. I want to float around and get some experience in finish work, cabinetry, foundations... etc. and just become an all-around skilled / experienced carpenter.
My end goal right now (strangely enough) is to get into fire fighting in a few years, after I have my interprovincial carpentry ticket, and do construction work on the side Planning on buying cheap property & building/living in a tiny house off the grid in the next couple years.
For now, it's work work work... pay off my student loans. And then take on the world! Once you get started on a certain path it gets easier to branch off and head in new directions.
But as stated, I would assess what your needs/wants are for a career and plan your education around it accordingly.
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Re: I'm Going to Community College next year [Re: CannAbyss]
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CannAbyss said: For now, it's work work work... pay off my student loans. And then take on the world! Once you get started on a certain path it gets easier to branch off and head in new directions.
Student loans from your trade cert. or a previous degree?
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Re: I'm Going to Community College next year [Re: PDU]
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I had to take my trade schooling out of town and didn't have work for over half a year.. (Was living in small country town in dead of winter.. no vehicle) Racked up a fairly nice chunk of change to pay back.
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Re: I'm Going to Community College next year [Re: CannAbyss]
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Ive been thinking of going the trade school route for welding cause i cant afford uni right now and mostly to get my foot in the door with an engineering discipline. im wondering if its worth doing this for 2-3 years saving every dollar to put towards an academic degree in a chemistry related field, it seems to be the only thing i am passionate about really, but welding and fitting process pipes can apply to chemEng/MechEng right? Having knowledge and certs of that sort of thing is a plus on a resume i assume. Anything related to building/fixing shit is an asset to surviving during the zombie apocalypse
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Re: I'm Going to Community College next year [Re: Mi-Go]
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They're related to some degree but everything in the construction industry somewhat relates.
I wouldn't take pipefitting as the first steps of becoming an engineer If that's your real goal. Pipefitting is hella good money though, I know guys out west (Canada) doing metal fab/pipe fitting raking in 6 figures annually.
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Re: I'm Going to Community College next year [Re: Mi-Go]
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Mi-Go said: Ive been thinking of going the trade school route for welding cause i cant afford uni right now and mostly to get my foot in the door with an engineering discipline. im wondering if its worth doing this for 2-3 years saving every dollar to put towards an academic degree in a chemistry related field, it seems to be the only thing i am passionate about really, but welding and fitting process pipes can apply to chemEng/MechEng right? Having knowledge and certs of that sort of thing is a plus on a resume i assume. Anything related to building/fixing shit is an asset to surviving during the zombie apocalypse 
Welding and engineering have basically no relation. You would be far better off just working in a technical/construction position and getting experience that way, rather than wasting 6 months going to welding school and then looking for a job... Welding jobs in cities usually arn't all that abundant and pipe welders is actually another level, meaning you'd have to go to school, get a year of work experience and then go back to school.
Terrible plan and not thought out.
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Re: I'm Going to Community College next year [Re: PDU]
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Im glad i heard that from someone phew! i was really thinking about diving into it, figured it would be beneficial some way or another but seeing as to how im broke it wouldve sucked to blow the remaining money i have left to actually do something with my life on something that has no relevance to what i plan to achieve in the end, hell even think id see a return on my investment enough to change careers by the time im 24 to my desired one. i had read somewhere you did welding so i knew youd be a good person to chime in on such a thing. Im about to start a cc i see alot of people branching out to good unis from it so its not a bad one and its cheap, theres some pretty good professors in it too, what would be a good route to take for someone who wants to enter,say,like a chemistry/pharmaceutical research field? Its the only subject i enjoyed in hs, and ive heard bad things about the job market with people with BAs, altho i plan on getting a masters definitley i see it worth the effort but i also think Eng would be more suitable for job placement.. hmm idk lol just trying to get my shit together im young and live alone
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Re: I'm Going to Community College next year [Re: Mi-Go]
#21928310 - 07/11/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's tough to offer advice in this situation and I am still rebuilding my life and trying to get things straight and i'll be 30 next month. In other words take what i say with a grain of salt.
CaptainH13 is a welder i believe; maybe shoot him a PM or at least search his posts for relevant info to that trade.
I "dived" into welding on a whim. I had come back from travelling, moved to a small island with my friend and his girlfriend (who was a bitch), had trouble getting a job and decided to leave. Stayed with my mom for a bit got a job cooking for the oil fields and was about to leave. Mom talked me into seeing if I could get in on a cancellation for a trade. I chose welding because it had basically no pre-requisite knowledge and I was scared of having to do math. Needless to say, there was a cancellation and I got into a class on extremely short notice.
I approached it as "sure, i'll move in with mom and go to school and then make big $$, 6 months - no problem." ... I was totally naive. I didn't even have a car and was totally clueless as to where the jobs were and how to get one. After school i sent out resumes all over the country and to the few local fabrication shops. Truth be told - welders mostly have a certain mentality, and i was kind of a scapegoat. Sure - I can weld, and did great on the book work ... but i didn't enjoy it and would always be miserable in that type of workplace. I never got work and quickly abandoned any plans of becoming a welder. In reality it was a total waste of $3000 and 6 months. Like you I figured i would use welding as "something to fall back on" and then switch careers when i was ready to choose the academic route. I thought a job would fall in my lap and completely neglected the reality of my personality and life situation...
That said - if you have a plan, you can come out of school in 6 months and make pretty decent cash and move up quickly.... Once you have your 2nd level you'll be making way upwards of $35/hr if you go to oil fields and weld pipe you'll possibly be making twice that or more. Can you handle that though - being surrounded by big, hairy, uncultured, rough men in a rough work environment. Working away from home, living in camp and working in crappy/remote locations? (obvious generalization, but largely true.)
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Mi-Go said: what would be a good route to take for someone who wants to enter,say,like a chemistry/pharmaceutical research field? Its the only subject i enjoyed in hs, and ive heard bad things about the job market with people with BAs, altho i plan on getting a masters definitley i see it worth the effort but i also think Eng would be more suitable for job placement.. hmm idk lol just trying to get my shit together im young and live alone
From my understanding a Bs. in Chemistry is basically garbage and you'll be lucky to get low paying/low skilled technician job. According to my chemistry professor during my HS upgrading (a PHD from University of California with industry experience and multiple patents) a PHD is absolutely necessary to get anywhere and then highly highly competitive. She didn't like designing "chemical systems" for industry and decided to teach highschool chemistry to adult learners instead.
Everything pharmaceutical is competitive entry and basically limited to high achievers....
Yes - engineering is a much more realistic career path, although i've heard some people engineering isn't the guarantee of a highpaying careers like it was in the past....
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Re: I'm Going to Community College next year [Re: EDM]
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SneezingPenis said: go to CC and then find a school (might even be the same CC) that will actually prepare you for a job... meaning not some nebulous major.
The only 3 real useful degrees from universities are medicine, law and business. everything else can be better learned by throwing yourself into the workforce or by going to community college.
Dead wrong. Education needs a 4 year degree. I agree with u though for majors like criminal justice.
Education needs a 4 year degree? What. ..? I got an associates in healthcare at a community college and make more money then 5 people I know who graduated from a 4 year university. Some of them do not even have jobs in their fields.
Very true. I strongly suggest getting your associate degree at a community college then go from there. Around my area you can make 50 grand a year or more depending on what you do with just an associates degree.
People around here can get an associates degree for less then 10 grand then start working a very decent job with little or no debt depending on if they pay as they go or get student loans. Out of all my frinds who attended some type of higher education most of the ones who got a two year degree are making more money and had a hell of alot less debt then the ones who went on to get a 4 year degree. I live in an area that has alot of blue collar jobs so that plays a major role also.
My advice is do alot of research into what you want to do. Most people switch majors 2 or 3 times or more and that sometimes sets them back. So research research research and figure out what you want to do, if you want to stay close to home after college or move away, the type of job market in your area, or if you want to move figure out where the best job markets are that matches your major.
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Re: I'm Going to Community College next year [Re: DTCharlieB]
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The thing about associates degrees is they leave you with a very low glass ceiling - although you can get an entry level position that pays a living wage, you'll more often then not, progress your career far beyond that.
Or at least that's what i've been led to believe, please discuss!
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So research research research and figure out what you want to do, if you want to stay close to home after college or move away, the type of job market in your area, or if you want to move figure out where the best job markets are that matches your major.
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Re: I'm Going to Community College next year [Re: PDU]
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Well the careers that you need just associates degrees for around my area can start out making around 30 to 50 grand a year but after 15 years you should be making over 100 grand a year. I mean it really just depends on what your going for. Some of those degrees will not amount to very much but there's jobs in my area where you just need a degree in anything to get hired and they are pretty darn good jobs.
We also have a lot of coal mining jobs and natural gas jobs. Which you don't need a degree at all and within a few years you could be making close to 100 grand a year. Mostly with the natural gas jobs they are booming in my area now but they are pretty labor intensive and some make you travel which some people don't mind and some do. To get into the mines you just have to take a week long course which is like 500 bucks and then you usually work a year or so for a pretty low wage kind of like a temp to permanent kind of thing then if they like you they'll hire you on starting out at like 26 bucks an hour or so with a lot of overtime if you want. But those jobs seem to be pretty risky also, I know a lot of people who went to the mines and made pretty good money for a few years then the mine got bought out and while there still working their hours have been cut significantly. This happens every few years but the work always seems to pick back up again.
It's nice to have a good degree in something but not necessary to make good money, if you can find something you like to do and then do your research and find as much information on it as you can that would be ideal. Some jobs promise you this and that but will just lie to you to get you to work.
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