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Bodhi of Ankou said: Now is that right? Was your dysphoric separation from reality, and what you felt really just a matter of choice? Or was it a psychological malfunction of sorts? Because if we do address the wants of the mind with absolute directive over physical reality then why are BIID patients treated any differently?
people can get tit jobs, people can change their "gender". arguing about whether they are really "changing their gender or not" is pointless. you can't change your sex, but you can definitely change your gender, and your identification of your gender, both inwardly, and outwardly. just visit the doctor.
Physically it is easy to fool through appearance and mannerisms. What Im saying is, is that we differentiate between sexs because of the positions that biological reproduction puts us in. That is something thats concrete and immutable. We both take different risks in our interactions based on this and thats what really ends up defining gender roles more than anything else.
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It does and it doesn't. Gays are considered male in spite of their sex roles. Elderly women are considered female in spite of being unable to reproduce.
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Re: Sexy transgender [Re: Rose]
#21064302 - 01/04/15 12:54 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rose said: I do not know if it was a malfunction. I really don't. Cognitively I am pretty fucking smart and physically I am healthy.
There are many theories about what causes trans people. The most plausible to me, is that we all start female in the womb (we do), and our sex is determined by carefully timed hormonal releases from the mother (it is). The release for male sex characteristics comes at one point in time or not at all, the release for male brains comes at another. If those hormones are released too early or too late, they will not be allowed into the womb. This theoretically causes male and female trans folk.
maybe it's not the gender that gets mistaken, but the sex, afterall? we're all made from the same cells... we all develop along the same course... or... we're "supposed to", quote unquote.
but that just doesn't happen like it's "supposed to", does it?
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Re: Sexy transgender [Re: Rose]
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Rose said: I do not know if it was a malfunction. I really don't. Cognitively I am pretty fucking smart and physically I am healthy.
There are many theories about what causes trans people. The most plausible to me, is that we all start female in the womb (we do), and our sex is determined by carefully timed hormonal releases from the mother (it is). The release for male sex characteristics comes at one point in time or not at all, the release for male brains comes at another. If those hormones are released too early or too late, they will not be allowed into the womb. This theoretically causes male and female trans folk.
The WSJ link in a recent post points to a scientific study of trans brains. They are MUCH more like the gender they identify as than the sex they were born into.
If you scanned me you would likely find a female brain in a male body.
But like I said, I do not know if that is a malfunction. I function just fine.
Weird shit, my life.
Which is what makes transgenderism something that could be seen as normal. Genders arnt typically consciously ID'd until later in development. Signifying some type of conscious decision in who you are. If we really do reach a point in deciding who we are sexually, then we cant act surprised when people decide they prefer female over their natural male body.
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Swyfty Swyf said: Even if they look like Taylor Swift?

Bad example, I thought Taylor Swift was a trans-woman when I first saw her ,but c'mon, vagina's make a woman not a uterus right or do we keep removing body parts until we're for sure it's not a man?
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Amorphouspattern said: I am pretty sure my 88 year old granny was aware of gender roles.
question. Would a man who became trasgender and appeared as a woman be able to drive a car under sharia law.. Or would he be segregated with the woman or the men??? ;;; Hypothetical of course
Actually secret answer C: Stoned to death.
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akira_akuma
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Physically it is easy to fool through appearance and mannerisms. What Im saying is, is that we differentiate between sexs because of the positions that biological reproduction puts us in. That is something thats concrete and immutable. We both take different risks in our interactions based on this and thats what really ends up defining gender roles more than anything else.
what are boiling down here exactly? disdain? mistrust? fear? i cannot tell.
general curiosity? i mean, i i can understand that...
but i mean, you really wanna define gender roles, for what? the perfect society? science? what?
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Which is what makes transgenderism something that could be seen as normal. Genders arnt typically consciously ID'd until later in development. Signifying some type of conscious decision in who you are. If we really do reach a point in deciding who we are sexually, then we cant act surprised when people decide they prefer female over their natural male body.
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I dont know, at one point having someone trying to lie about their gender to my face makes my skin crawl, at the other hand I recognize it s a complex psychological problem based on really loosely defined roles in society. In other words Im just trying to discuss shit intelligently.
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It is not my intent to fool anyone. I intend to be myself instead of the male I never felt I was. I am portraying a truer me now. That can be hard for non trans people to believe because they always just were who they were.
So many friends have told me how much more open and honest I am now, like I am no longer pretending or hiding a big part of my true self. I used to give people the impression I was lying or otherwise up to something. THAT was back when I was fooling them into thinking I was a man instead of a trans woman.
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But yes, mistrust, because transgenderism is a manipulation of gender roles. If someone tried to pull something over your eyes you wouldn't be impressed figuring shit out.
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Men...
Always thinking a woman with a dick is trying to trick you into gay.
Mushrooms already do that.
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Re: Sexy transgender [Re: Rose]
#21064318 - 01/04/15 01:07 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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But sexual rolls always carry that element. If you are trying to come off as a girl, my ultimate resolution with that, if I found you attractive, would be having sex with you. Now playing that role with me is essentially leading me on. Which is why people get so pissed off with transgenders.
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this is why using... sounds... as a means of... communication... is maybe sometimes... useful for relationships... that you garner.... beeee.... beeee.... *slaps forehead* before you commit to anything!@
but the real question is: why did Kint have to make up the name Kobyashi, if his lawyer was REAL? why couldn't he use another pseudonym? why was he even there at the end, if it was all a lie and Kint was Kayser Soze?
that's the real question.
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Bodhi of Ankou
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because its not reality, its insanity. So if you wanna be transgender, or if you're experiencing a dysphoria between reality and what you feel, don't expect people to bend to your expectations.
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no one is. but that still doesn't take away from the fact that expecting people to behave as they are expected to = base / and communicating with someone before making commitments to being in a relationship, or to have sex = not idiotic.
PS: there are ways people can bend people... you pay a doctor to.
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That doesnt really make any sense to me. If I wanted to simply be your friend I would be, no questions asked, but if you were trying to present yourself to me as female when in fact you were not and I found out, I would be a little pissed off. Reasonably.
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Bodhi of Ankou said: But sexual rolls always carry that element. If you are trying to come off as a girl, my ultimate resolution with that, if I found you attractive, would be having sex with you. Now playing that role with me is essentially leading me on. Which is why people get so pissed off with transgenders.
Shame the world doesn't revolve around your dick.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer That's reality. Now reverse the story: someone who does feel female. Too hard to fathom?
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Re: Sexy transgender [Re: Beanhead]
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The majority does, revolve around my view.
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Bodhi of Ankou said: That doesnt really make any sense to me. If I wanted to simply be your friend I would be, no questions asked, but if you were trying to present yourself to me as female when in fact you were not and I found out, I would be a little pissed off. Reasonably.
when someone makes the transition, they drop their old life. it's therefore none of your, or anyone else's business.
why do i need to explain this? 
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Bodhi of Ankou said: The majority does, revolve around my view.
the majority are idiots that make something out of nothing at all turns. you really wanna be like that?
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I dont give a fuck about your old life, what if it is that I might view all females as a possible point where I might start a family and it comes out as you being nothing more then another male in disguise? Thats very agitating.
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again, you communicate with the women you want to start a family with... start with "hi, nice to meet you" and move your way up to, "hi i wanna have sex" ... then "anything i need to know; i wanna have kids one day"
can't make the moves without being dishonest?
society needs to step up it's game.
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