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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: Spacerific]
    #21046232 - 12/30/14 09:17 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Heheheh, I once smoked a potent salvia extract and experienced all the microbes in my body as a working class Flinstones slapstick sitcom and was consumed by fits of laughter - those kind of giggles are entirely contagious and are way greater evidence of 'shaktipat' for me.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21047702 - 12/31/14 08:14 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

LOL. You have been watching too much Flintstones! :wink:

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Heheheh, I once smoked a potent salvia extract and experienced all the microbes in my body as a working class Flinstones slapstick sitcom and was consumed by fits of laughter - those kind of giggles are entirely contagious and are way greater evidence of 'shaktipat' for me.



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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: razorman]
    #21048499 - 12/31/14 12:19 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I'm but only being cynical because I'm not into the idea of spiritual transmission.  It's not something somebody else can give you, like herpes :tongue:.  This is infatuation.  It's already within you, readily available to you, but I'm sure hanging out with other highly conscious people and learning how to perform their ego-transcending techniques helps, particularly when that door has already opened within you (say on psychedelics - once opened, the door never fully shuts).


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21048897 - 12/31/14 02:09 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Psychedelics open the door to what is already inside you, shaktipat does the same, but in a gradual manner. Different paths up the same mountain.

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I'm but only being cynical because I'm not into the idea of spiritual transmission.  It's not something somebody else can give you, like herpes :tongue:.  This is infatuation.  It's already within you, readily available to you, but I'm sure hanging out with other highly conscious people and learning how to perform their ego-transcending techniques helps, particularly when that door has already opened within you (say on psychedelics - once opened, the door never fully shuts).



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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: PocketLady]
    #21050229 - 12/31/14 08:44 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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I do think shaktipat is a very real thing having spoken to others who have received it. It seems it can be incredibly helpful to those on a practicing spiritual path. However, I'm not so sure about receiving shaktipat from a person/teacher that I don't know very well or have a relationship with, so to speak. My understanding is that the level that skaktipat works at depends very much on the attitude of the aspirant to the teacher, the openness of the aspirant to the energy, and not least the ability of the aspirant to keep a still mind/meditative state during the transmission itself.






I am a huge fan of Jan and his teachings and I have done his meditations for raising kundalani, maybe that is why it worked so well for me. I continue to watch these videos on a daily bases and I am experiencing more and more signs which lead me to believe my kundalani is becoming more active. It feels to me as though this process is beginning to destroy many old structures in my mind which i used to identify with.

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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: Deviate]
    #21050377 - 12/31/14 09:37 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Will you also be sumo fat like him and blink a lot more than necessary, when the process is completed? :lol:


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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: Deviate]
    #21050519 - 12/31/14 10:29 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

it seemed to get me pretty like buzzy detached focused but i dunno if i was actually being shaktipatted or if it was just me jumping at a reason to be that.

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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: Spacerific]
    #21055356 - 01/02/15 05:18 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

nah man, you were actually being shaktipatted man, trust me it seriously works. I've been getting zapped on a daily bases now and its got my kundalani all aroused agitated and wandering around looking for new love.

Now  I might have mentioned, when I receive Holy Communion, I am receiving the Lord Jesus Christ and his energy, which is my experience is more on the side of Shiva, the pure being aspect of the divine. In other words, Jesus has a powerful, masculine energy.

When I received shaktipat on the other hand, it is like receiving the most holy Theotokos, Mary Jesus's mother. Today was a Holy Day of obligation in the Roman Catholic church and, being Catholic, I went to church. When I received Holy Communion, I felt very spiritually complete, as though the skaktipat took care of my divine feminine side and the Eucharist took care of my divine masculine side. I highly recommend using both of these sources of spiritual energy like this.

Btw, does anyone know of any other sources of spiritual energy? I did watch that other video posted in this thread and felt the shakti off it.

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Will you also be sumo fat like him and blink a lot more than necessary, when the process is completed? :lol:




Oh come on he's not that fat and I am very skinny and could stand to gain a few pounds anyhow.

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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: Deviate]
    #21055489 - 01/02/15 06:57 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

It is nice that you felt the Shaki transmitted. In India, Shiva is the masculine and Shakti is the feminine. And the goal is unite both, which is what yoga means. I am also in full agreement that in Christianity it is a similar concept, you have Jesus which is masculine and Mary which is feminine.

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nah man, you were actually being shaktipatted man, trust me it seriously works. I've been getting zapped on a daily bases now and its got my kundalani all aroused agitated and wandering around looking for new love.

Now  I might have mentioned, when I receive Holy Communion, I am receiving the Lord Jesus Christ and his energy, which is my experience is more on the side of Shiva, the pure being aspect of the divine. In other words, Jesus has a powerful, masculine energy.

When I received shaktipat on the other hand, it is like receiving the most holy Theotokos, Mary Jesus's mother. Today was a Holy Day of obligation in the Roman Catholic church and, being Catholic, I went to church. When I received Holy Communion, I felt very spiritually complete, as though the skaktipat took care of my divine feminine side and the Eucharist took care of my divine masculine side. I highly recommend using both of these sources of spiritual energy like this.

Btw, does anyone know of any other sources of spiritual energy? I did watch that other video posted in this thread and felt the shakti off it.

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Will you also be sumo fat like him and blink a lot more than necessary, when the process is completed? :lol:






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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: razorman]
    #21056524 - 01/02/15 12:22 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Now  I might have mentioned, when I receive Holy Communion, I am receiving the Lord Jesus Christ and his energy, which is my experience is more on the side of Shiva, the pure being aspect of the divine. In other words, Jesus has a powerful, masculine energy.



So basically as you take a perfectly regular (non-psychoactive) cracker in your mouth, you think about Jesus giving you his masculine energy? Seems legit :lol:

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Btw, does anyone know of any other sources of spiritual energy? I did watch that other video posted in this thread and felt the shakti off it.



It's amazing to me, to see what a rich world of convoluted vague labels you live in. Anything seems to be possible there, it's like Neverland.

Spiritual energy? What exactly do you call by that name? What is it in English? I know about breath, attention, electricity as one uses it in the body, muscle contractions, etc. Spiritual energy, what on Earth do you mean by that?

Same for Shakti.

Amazing how rich of a vague unclear vocabulary people can develop, to keep the placebo going. And yes I know, it's not placebo, it's shaktipat from the Guru, he sent it through the subtle aether, you totally felt the best Qi ever from it, not to mention the shakti. Was there some prana mixed in there as well? :biggrin:


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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: Spacerific]
    #21056657 - 01/02/15 01:06 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Spacerefic, I think you are missing the point. All those religious icons Jesus/Shiva/Shakti/Mary/God etc.. are just depicted in human form to make the concepts more understandable to ordinary folk. That is all.
Now once a person starts to delve into these things he begins to understand the underlying truth/mechanics of these forces and how they relate to everything in the universe.

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Now  I might have mentioned, when I receive Holy Communion, I am receiving the Lord Jesus Christ and his energy, which is my experience is more on the side of Shiva, the pure being aspect of the divine. In other words, Jesus has a powerful, masculine energy.



So basically as you take a perfectly regular (non-psychoactive) cracker in your mouth, you think about Jesus giving you his masculine energy? Seems legit :lol:

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Btw, does anyone know of any other sources of spiritual energy? I did watch that other video posted in this thread and felt the shakti off it.



It's amazing to me, to see what a rich world of convoluted vague labels you live in. Anything seems to be possible there, it's like Neverland.

Spiritual energy? What exactly do you call by that name? What is it in English? I know about breath, attention, electricity as one uses it in the body, muscle contractions, etc. Spiritual energy, what on Earth do you mean by that?

Same for Shakti.

Amazing how rich of a vague unclear vocabulary people can develop, to keep the placebo going. And yes I know, it's not placebo, it's shaktipat from the Guru, he sent it through the subtle aether, you totally felt the best Qi ever from it, not to mention the shakti. Was there some prana mixed in there as well? :biggrin:



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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: razorman]
    #21056692 - 01/02/15 01:23 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Or he doesn't misunderstand and is calling it out how easily mesmerized humans are by words, and sleep-walk in a deep trance state most of their lives. Then again, all self-hypnosis need not be destructive and can be a release of energy, a spur to creativity, and a tool of self-improvement, if you're not a damned fool about it.


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I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: Spacerific]
    #21056892 - 01/02/15 02:27 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Now  I might have mentioned, when I receive Holy Communion, I am receiving the Lord Jesus Christ and his energy, which is my experience is more on the side of Shiva, the pure being aspect of the divine. In other words, Jesus has a powerful, masculine energy.



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So basically as you take a perfectly regular (non-psychoactive) cracker in your mouth, you think about Jesus giving you his masculine energy? Seems legit :lol:




No, of course not a regular cracker. A consecrated cracker, or host as they prefer to be called. When a cracker is concentrated it becomes charged with spiritual energy through a process we catholics call transubstantiation. Once this has taken place, the cracker does indeed become psychoactive (or should I say, spiritually active), just like there are holy places on earth, holy objects, holy mountains, etc, crackers are just another medium through which spiritual energy can be transmitted and incidentally, they happen to be the medium through which Jesus Christ chose to share himself with the world. They are a divine gift. Now it does take a degree of faith to believe this, as there are many Christian denominations which like you, believe the cracker is just an ordinary cracker and it only symbolizes Jesus. I used to think that myself actually, until I realized I could not deny the effect the crackers were having on me. But if you want to disagree, you have plenty of company even among Christians.



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It's amazing to me, to see what a rich world of convoluted vague labels you live in. Anything seems to be possible there, it's like Neverland.




Remember, all things are possible with God. An important part of my spiritual journey has been throwing off limiting beliefs, beliefs that all sorts of things are impossible which I now see are possible. So in a way yes, it is a bit like never never land because I now see how magical life can be when you don't impose anything imparticular upon it. Life can apparently manifest itself in all sorts of ways I never even dreamed of and all along, I was the one who was getting in the way of this.

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Spiritual energy? What exactly do you call by that name? What is it in English? I know about breath, attention, electricity as one uses it in the body, muscle contractions, etc. Spiritual energy, what on Earth do you mean by that?




Spiritual energy is any form of energy which from a realm above the physical.  So for example, if you build a fire to heat your house you are using energy but it is not spiritual energy because you sourced your energy in the physical realm, through wood from trees apparently. On the other hand, when you receive shaktipat, you are receiving energy from a source that ultimately lies beyond the physical plane of existence. Now I personally, am often very comfortable with vagueness in areas like this because I don't know how to give a precise definition to it. All I know is that I perceive it as energy entering my nervous system and causing changes to take place therein. What kind of precise definition are you looking for? I'm not some kind of expert on these matters that should be the one deciding on precise definitions.

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Same for Shakti.

Amazing how rich of a vague unclear vocabulary people can develop, to keep the placebo going. And yes I know, it's not placebo, it's shaktipat from the Guru, he sent it through the subtle aether, you totally felt the best Qi ever from it, not to mention the shakti. Was there some prana mixed in there as well? :biggrin:




It's not unclear to me. Shakti is the dynamic creative potential inherent in the Self. The entirety of creation (including your mind and body) is made up of shakti. It is personified as the divine mother, Mary in my tradition, the goddess in other traditions. Secular children know of it as mother earth or mother nature. Jan recommends forming a loving relationship with this energy (which I had already begun through my devotion to the most holy rosary of the blessed virgin Mary) and then surrendering to it.

All of this makes a lot of sense to me. I find that it finally helps shed a little light on the relationship between pure being, Shiva (which my search for used to dominate my spiritual path) and physical existence. Before I studied Jan's teachings I had great trouble understanding how those two could actually be one. Another thing Jan does which I find very helpful is he goes through and explains the most common misconceptions and misunderstandings about enlightenment. I haven't seen too many other teachers do that and as a result, if you are confused about something, there's often not a whole lot you can do aside from hope he or she addresses it at some later point. I mean, if you like clarity and precision I would think you would appreciate at least some of what Jan is trying to do for Self-Realization.

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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: CosmicJoke] * 1
    #21056900 - 01/02/15 02:32 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

That's what I mean. The constant giving away of power, the failure to understand that the ritual, the cracker, the mumbling from a text, is merely a door into something, into a certain state, an electrical pattern that runs through our neurology, which is absolutely, 100% non-denominational, completely natural. And IMO one has NOT reached it, as long as they still feel the need to identify with the Christian, with the robe, the specific church or their favorite book that they borrowed their current identity from.

It's all well and good to use the symbols, the alleged "holy" water of the Ganges (plain H2O) or the "holy" water in some church, or the "holy" communion cracker (plain old grains). By all means it's good to use the symbols to get in the good state, go through the rituals and enjoy, flow in freedom and harmony and unity, like all other things on the planet and in the whole galaxy are. I just get the sense around these parts that instead of following that finger and seeing where it points, going there and going whoopee, rock out with your cock out, life is beautiful ang glorious :banana: - instead of that some people are grabbing hold of the ritual and compulsively, desperately sucking it for comfort. Continuously hoping that some day in the future, once enough mantras have been chanted and enough shaktipat received, then, maybe then, one will finally be allowed to feel that whopee flowing through them. THen, but for some reason not now. Not yet. Right now we're all sinners, we must stay tense, guilty, crap forbid we loosen up, cheer up and just ta-dee-dah for a while :courtjester: understanding that this is it, and nothing need change or improve.

I mean I don't care that much really, each of us can navigate our own skull and nervous system as we see fit, I'm just curious what will become of today's "shaktipat transmission" in say, 6 months from now, once the novelty wore off :lol:

And I don't trust that Jan guy, he seems mundane as hell. Not serene or peaceful, simply mundane. If that's what enlightenment is supposed to look like, I'd definitely keep on looking.

To clarify a bit, this is the kind of electrical neurological experience that I am using for comparison:


Present, engaged with life, not a care in the world, non-frowning forehead, free breathing patterns, loose relaxed limbs, ta-dee-dah all the way. Now if someone can stoop down to my level and explain to me, in plain English, what Jan's supposed to have that I or this girl don't, I'm all ears. I happen to see plenty that Jan doesn't have in this comparison, and the same between him and say, Alan Watts. This Jan dude just strikes me as a completely uninteresting nerd trying really hard to talk the talk, failing pretty hard at actually doing the thing, practicing the state in any way I'd be inspired by at least.

And let us be inspired by his epic art as well. If anyone feels the need to actually hang these blissful paintings in their home for good vibes, awesome. To me they just seem like complete downers, the emotionally tense attempts to make art, by someone with not that much to say really. Should have put a bit more contemplation and tripping time in, maybe some nice ideas would have come of it.


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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: Spacerific] * 1
    #21056957 - 01/02/15 02:52 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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No, of course not a regular cracker. A consecrated cracker, or host as they prefer to be called.



Sooo a regular grains cracker that someone said some poetry over, and made some hand signs in the air with? Yeah, as I said, seems legit :thumbup:

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When a cracker is concentrated it becomes charged with spiritual energy through a process we catholics call transubstantiation. Once this has taken place, the cracker does indeed become psychoactive (or should I say, spiritually active), just like there are holy places on earth, holy objects, holy mountains, etc



Yeah I can see how this is totally not placebo. Because... uhm... why is it not vague spiritual mumbo jumbo and woo woo and placebo?

I know people consider the Ganges to be "holy" but it should be perfectly obvious that it's H2O with some crap floating in it. I consider the psytrance festivals holy, I have deep reverence and enthusiasm for them, they're my pilgrimage and so on, but I know full well that I give them the meaning. The magic is in me and others who show up, in the union between me and the event, and last but not least in the real psychedelics that act as MC's there. Without them, it would be just a DJ spinning some tracks in the forest. ANd it is a perfectly regular DJ and a perfectly regular forest. It only becomes holy to the extent that I call it my holy forest, my holy festival. It IS placebo. Real only to me, useless to non-trippers, non-festival goers. At no point would I expect my magic to work on them in the sense that it works on me. Unless maybe they partake of the psychs :lol:

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crackers are just another medium through which spiritual energy can be transmitted and incidentally, they happen to be the medium through which Jesus Christ chose to share himself with the world.



Pretty flimsy medium then, wouldn't you say?

I mean Mescaline, LSD, Psilocybin, Ayahuasca, grain crackers. One of these tools is severely underpowered, compared to the others.

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What kind of precise definition are you looking for?



A simple one that actually makes sense. Constantly I see you falling back on text-heavy, deeply denominational words that simply don't register to non-Christians. I am using non-denominational words which pertain to reality. Frowning, mumbling, hand signs in the air, placebo. Psychoactive. Very hard to not get the point with these.

Compare this stuff with grace, shaktipat, spiritual energy, consecrated, holy, you'll see a lot of fumbling when one tries to actually understand wtf is being talked about.

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I'm not some kind of expert on these matters that should be the one deciding on precise definitions.



Neither am I, nor is being an expert a necessity. I am just asking for things that make sense to you, and as I've said in other posts, if you can't explain it in plain English, then that to me is a sign that you've let the Christian texts take over too much of your mental map of the world, to the point where you live more in the text and in your head, than in reality.

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I mean, if you like clarity and precision I would think you would appreciate at least some of what Jan is trying to do for Self-Realization.



Nope. I do like clarity and precision, and I am looking at him with as much observational accuracy as I can muster, and I'm seeing a thoroughly mundane creature, indistinguishable from the regular Joe on the street and any non-tripper that I've ever seen, mundane breathing patterns, rather glazed eyes, which are actually impossible to focus on, due to incessant blinking. Voice tone and rate of speech are boring to the heavens (I've heard wise men speak before, and they do speak calmly, but it's not boring) and the actual fruits of his labors on this Earth (his art) seems to me at least, to be mediocre at best, if not downright negative and disturbing, in the sense that if I hung that on my wall it would ruin my day, as opposed to improving it like an Alex Grey or Randal Roberts would.

What am I missing in this analysis? Are you saying I should discount my direct senses more, like you do, and listen only to the yadda-yadda text content alone? I won't do that, as I believe that to be the perfect way to get confused. If the master/guru can't demonstrate the state properly, clearly, then the yadda yadda is useless noise. Trying to learn kung fu from someone who's read some book on it but doesn't really know it.


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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: razorman]
    #21057000 - 01/02/15 03:03 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Spacerefic, I think you are missing the point. All those religious icons Jesus/Shiva/Shakti/Mary/God etc.. are just depicted in human form to make the concepts more understandable to ordinary folk. That is all.
Now once a person starts to delve into these things he begins to understand the underlying truth/mechanics of these forces and how they relate to everything in the universe.




Yes, well for example Ramana Maharshi said the purpose of worshiping God with form (for example worshiping the Lord Jesus Christ) is to eventually realize God without form.

Because the students believes he is the body, he mistakenly assumes that the guru or spiritual master is also the body and in fact, God takes on bodily form as a means to make himself more accessible to man, all of creation actually for even t. From a Christian perspective, that was one of the purposes of The Incarnation (the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us).

Oddly enough, this discussion reminds me of that episode of South Park where God comes down to earth in order to allow the South Parkians to ask him one question about life before re-ascending to heaven and Stan blows the opportunity by asking why he hasn't gotten his period yet (it is because he is a boy of course). Anyway, this is how God is depicted to look on South Park:


When the people of South Park see God, they are shocked at his appearance and they say "that's God?" Now I found this interesting because it demonstrates to us how identified people still are with their bodies/personalities in our culture. In other words, they take themselves and each other to be the body/personality.  I on the other hand, merely saw a body. God being God, could of course appear as anything from that ugly looking creature to the handsomest angel to a formless void. The sight of that creature as God did not have the significance to me that it did to the people of South park because to me God is not something which can be limited to a small body so whatever appearance he may take on is insigicant in comparison to his infinite and eternal formless nature.

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Now  I might have mentioned, when I receive Holy Communion, I am receiving the Lord Jesus Christ and his energy, which is my experience is more on the side of Shiva, the pure being aspect of the divine. In other words, Jesus has a powerful, masculine energy.



So basically as you take a perfectly regular (non-psychoactive) cracker in your mouth, you think about Jesus giving you his masculine energy? Seems legit :lol:

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Btw, does anyone know of any other sources of spiritual energy? I did watch that other video posted in this thread and felt the shakti off it.



It's amazing to me, to see what a rich world of convoluted vague labels you live in. Anything seems to be possible there, it's like Neverland.

Spiritual energy? What exactly do you call by that name? What is it in English? I know about breath, attention, electricity as one uses it in the body, muscle contractions, etc. Spiritual energy, what on Earth do you mean by that?

Same for Shakti.

Amazing how rich of a vague unclear vocabulary people can develop, to keep the placebo going. And yes I know, it's not placebo, it's shaktipat from the Guru, he sent it through the subtle aether, you totally felt the best Qi ever from it, not to mention the shakti. Was there some prana mixed in there as well? :biggrin:






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    #21057037 - 01/02/15 03:14 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Hey that South Park image of God actually looks a lot like Jan!

The fat body, the glazed look on the face, maybe I was wrong all along :lol:


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I have been doing meditation to raise kundalini for a couple months now with only one success I had a blissfull like experience that felt like rolling haha but it was fleeting and have not been able to reproduce it I will try this video and tell you what happens great information and discussion though :smile:


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    #21057710 - 01/02/15 05:57 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Well that was interesting I watched that video with the transmission and afterwards I think I did yoga stances I have never done yoga and still feel like doing these strange flowing movements like some one else is controlling me wow very interesting I think it worked or it could be in my head but I dont think so.


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Sooo a regular grains cracker that someone said some poetry over, and made some hand signs in the air with? Yeah, as I said, seems legit :thumbup:




What is that supposed to mean? The way I see it, you either believe it is possible to give blessings, transfer spiritual energy, etc or not. If not, than what do the specific hand signs have to do with it? I mean, would you think it was legitimate if the ritual was somehow more elaborate? Why?

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Yeah I can see how this is totally not placebo. Because... uhm... why is it not vague spiritual mumbo jumbo and woo woo and placebo?




Why are you asking me as if I know these things? There's a thing called faith in your teacher. For instance, I have faith in Jan's teachings even if I don't fully understand or can't prove to myself everything he says. I have no idea how shaktipat works for instance, all I know is that it helps me and to me that is what is most important. It's the same deal with Jesus Christ. I believe he is more spiritually perfected than I am.  He instituted the ritual of the Eucharist and told us to do it in his remembrance. I can either sit around and doubt and question it or I can just accept it for the gift that it is, without needing to know how exactly how it works.


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I know people consider the Ganges to be "holy" but it should be perfectly obvious that it's H2O with some crap floating in it. I consider the psytrance festivals holy, I have deep reverence and enthusiasm for them, they're my pilgrimage and so on, but I know full well that I give them the meaning. The magic is in me and others who show up, in the union between me and the event, and last but not least in the real psychedelics that act as MC's there. Without them, it would be just a DJ spinning some tracks in the forest. ANd it is a perfectly regular DJ and a perfectly regular forest. It only becomes holy to the extent that I call it my holy forest, my holy festival. It IS placebo. Real only to me, useless to non-trippers, non-festival goers. At no point would I expect my magic to work on them in the sense that it works on me. Unless maybe they partake of the psychs :lol:




Your arrogance tires me. Since its apparently perfectly obvious that youre right as always, how can I argue with that? All I am going to say is that I understand the concept of me or the group of people I am with being the ones who give meaning to something and as I have said, that is part of what makes attending worship services special, gathering together with people with a shared intention. However, that in no way proves that it is not possible to transfer spiritual energy to an object in such a manner that it could effect someone who either does not know or does not believe in said energy. You don't have to believe that of course, you can believe whatever you want, but if you are trying to convince me youre doing a miserable job, seeing as how your only argument is that "it's obvious".

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Pretty flimsy medium then, wouldn't you say?




No? It's bread. We could use harder bread if need be but the point is to eat it.

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I mean Mescaline, LSD, Psilocybin, Ayahuasca, grain crackers. One of these tools is severely underpowered, compared to the others.




Sure, in your opinion/experience. For me, in my experience, the Eucharist is far more powerful than the rest put together. Seems you don't know the power of God, which is why you cling to created things like Psilocybin and ayahuasca.


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A simple one that actually makes sense. Constantly I see you falling back on text-heavy, deeply denominational words that simply don't register to non-Christians. I am using non-denominational words which pertain to reality. Frowning, mumbling, hand signs in the air, placebo. Psychoactive. Very hard to not get the point with these.

Compare this stuff with grace, shaktipat, spiritual energy, consecrated, holy, you'll see a lot of fumbling when one tries to actually understand wtf is being talked about.




And I would be concerned were that not the case. Spritiaulity deals with levels of reality that are subtler than the gross physical level everyone is familiar with. THe more subtle you try to get, the more difficult it is to talk about and find appropriate words that make sense to everyone. Thats why learning a religion is in large part a process of learning a language with which to speak about reality.

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Neither am I, nor is being an expert a necessity. I am just asking for things that make sense to you, and as I've said in other posts, if you can't explain it in plain English, then that to me is a sign that you've let the Christian texts take over too much of your mental map of the world, to the point where you live more in the text and in your head, than in reality.




THere you go again with your assumptions and litmus tests why dont you just not listen to anything I say? Why bother paying attention to me? Clearly, my way of explaining things is not satisfactory to you.

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Nope. I do like clarity and precision, and I am looking at him with as much observational accuracy as I can muster, and I'm seeing a thoroughly mundane creature, indistinguishable from the regular Joe on the street and any non-tripper that I've ever seen, mundane breathing patterns, rather glazed eyes, which are actually impossible to focus on, due to incessant blinking. Voice tone and rate of speech are boring to the heavens (I've heard wise men speak before, and they do speak calmly, but it's not boring) and the actual fruits of his labors on this Earth (his art) seems to me at least, to be mediocre at best, if not downright negative and disturbing, in the sense that if I hung that on my wall it would ruin my day, as opposed to improving it like an Alex Grey or Randal Roberts would.

In this paragraph I counted nine uses of I, me or my. How do I communicate to you that I am just not particularly interested in the thoughts of a being that is so self centered? I don't mean self centered in a negative or selfish way, for all I know you could be a wonderful, generous and giving individual. I simply mean that it appears as though you perceive everything through a massive filter of self and you give great weight to your opinions and your feelings and your perceptions. I am not saying there is anything wrong with that either. But its like a turn off to me because from my perspective you are only one man and your opinions are not very important.

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What am I missing in this analysis? Are you saying I should discount my direct senses more, like you do, and listen only to the yadda-yadda text content alone? I won't do that, as I believe that to be the perfect way to get confused. If the master/guru can't demonstrate the state properly, clearly, then the yadda yadda is useless noise. Trying to learn kung fu from someone who's read some book on it but doesn't really know it.




I am not saying you should do anything. That's the point. I don't care.

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