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 Jackal
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 Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? 
#2088823 - 11/10/03 08:12 AM (20 years, 11 months ago) |
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Does using marijuana inevitably lead to harder drug use?
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Seuss
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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: Jackal]
#2088918 - 11/10/03 09:10 AM (20 years, 11 months ago) |
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No more so than cigerettes, oxygen, water, sex, alcohol, or any other number of things that people have tried before using cannabis.
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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: Seuss]
#2098456 - 11/12/03 06:29 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am said yes, but that isn't a bad thing.
my first drug was X. I was curious before that though. I became more curious after it. it has made me a better person though. 
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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: ]
#2099174 - 11/12/03 09:34 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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If someone is the type of person that wants to try drugs, it does not matter which is the first one they try. To cast blame on the most harmless of all illegal drugs is idiotic and nothing more than a brainwashing technique.
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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: ]
#2099574 - 11/12/03 11:15 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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you make the choice, not the drug
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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: ]
#2101328 - 11/13/03 11:11 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Of course we make choices, that is a very redunant arguement. I didn't drink nor did I smoke cigs before X.
But if you think that illegal drugs or legal ones don't have a chemical change in your body that influence you decision making for the time they are active, then you are the idiot. I can even go as far as saying that it has a permanit outlook for me. i.e. creativy and chemistry
A good way to put it:
Its harder for a person to lose there virginity, but once they lost it its not that hard to add to the count of people that they sleep with. It even becomes easier to "do" more things with people. you know what I mean. it may be your choice but you only make it because feeling it gets you.
peace
zerohero
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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: ]
#2102022 - 11/13/03 02:04 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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yes it is, i came upon the understanding when i was tripping. Marijuana itself isnt a drug that makes you do others. It just introduces most of us to the world of drugs making the use of other drugs easier to happen. or something...
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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: ]
#2102387 - 11/13/03 03:57 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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ahhh i posted the best response here... somebody deleted it and STOLE MY ANSWER. shiesy ass buisness brewing
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Jackal
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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: Only1AK]
#2102479 - 11/13/03 04:29 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Only1AK said:
ahhh i posted the best response here... somebody deleted it and STOLE MY ANSWER. shiesy ass buisness brewing
No-one stole it, this forum is fully moderated so your posts won't show up until a mod checks it.
I approved your second post to emphasise this point.
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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: Jackal]
#2104217 - 11/13/03 11:46 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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to bad he wont see it... YOU GOT BAN Only1AK!!!!!
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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: Jackal]
#2105091 - 11/14/03 05:06 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hmmm, interesting results so far 8 Yes & 15 N. I didn't expect as many yes's especially as this is a drug-related site, and can be quite bias. 
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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: Jackal]
#2105126 - 11/14/03 05:41 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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> I didn't expect as many yes's especially as this is a drug-related site
It is surprising, but the gateway fallacy is subtle, which is why it is so often used. There are plenty of negatives that go hand in hand with drug use. It is too bad that the governments feel it is better to lie to the public rather than educate them.
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 Annapurna1
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 Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: Jackal]
#2105296 - 11/14/03 07:41 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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The first drug i did was LSD, followed by pot the same evening...
I got hooked on nicotine because they roll the joints with tobacco in Europe. Pot really is a gateway drug -- to cigarettes.
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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: Annapurna1]
#2106502 - 11/14/03 01:34 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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can someone pm the total reason why gateway drugs are a fallacy??
i am an opened minded person and I want to understand your arguement. I don't understand it, and I don't believe that I have been brainwashed by the government. I didn't even know what a gateway drug was until I had done 5 other drugs first, plus I understand you can say everything is a drug(ie. air, water, chocolate). I use that all the time too(in a different way), but breathing air doen't make me want to do mushrooms. and doing X didn't make me want to do mushrooms, but they made it easier to do them. I didn't have to think and worry as much about it.
thanks,
zerohero
BTW, this is a great topic. I am very much interested in.
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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: Annapurna1]
#2106602 - 11/14/03 02:03 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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id say mj is a gateway drug.
i would consider alcohol more of a gateway drug.
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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: Annapurna1]
#2107193 - 11/14/03 05:20 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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i believe marijuana is abit of a gateway drug, to the experimenter, but thats not to say its the weeds fault as we can all agree. I tried weed first, and since then ive tried a few other entheogens, shrooms, e, speed, k based pills and a few other assorted things. but thats me, i love to explore the depths of my electrically charged brain. altered states are my specialty! (not saying im better than other people in experience) i say get over the fact whether it is or it isnt a gateway drug, cause the fact is its always been up to us what we put in our body and we have all chosen to go down this path. i just wished everyone else would get over it.
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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: ]
#2108643 - 11/15/03 07:08 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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I just sent this in a PM to Zerohero, but figured I might as well post it for everybody else:
The general idea behind the gateway drug is as follows:
We interviewed 1000 people that have done heroin. Out of these 1000 people, 955 of them smoked weed before trying heroin. Therefore, smoking weed leads to heroin use.
Sounds pretty good... but, when you change it just a little...
We interviewed 1000 people that have done heroin. Out of these 1000 people, 995 of them drank coffee before trying heroin. Therefore, drinking coffee leads to heroin use.
The problem, and the source of the fallacy, occurs because the cause/effect relationship is only being looked at from one side:
I did A before I did B, therefore A leads to B.
But, you also have to ask how many people that have done A have never done B. (How many people that smoke weed don't try heroin.) Example:
We interviewed 1000 people that smoke weed. Out of those 1000 people, only 5 have tried heroin. Therefore, weed is not a gateway drug.
The entire thing is very misleading. It took millions of people getting lung cancer from smoking cigs before the statistics were accurate enough to suggest a causal relationship.
Another question to ask, if weed didn't exist, would these people have tried some other drug instead? The gateway drug theory claims that smoking weed leads to harder drug use. I claim that hard drug use is inevetable with these people, and that weed was simply the first drug that they tried.... and even this is seldom true... usually caffeine, alcohol, and nicotine are first... the socially accepted drugs.
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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: Seuss]
#2109838 - 11/15/03 06:56 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah. anyone who knows anything about statistics and research will tell you that observational studies are almost never sufficient to establish causation.
but that said, i'm going to have to weigh in on the gateway drug side. i honestly think it is... but only because it shows alot of people that illegal drugs can be quite benign. i think if it were not for ganja, and its illegal status, alot more people would accept the idea that illegal drugs are very bad and should be completely avoided.
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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: Seuss]
#2110055 - 11/15/03 08:23 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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I said yes, I think pot is a gateway drug. If I hadn't smoked pot one summer, I wouldn't have explored further with opium, mushrooms, etc. I used moderation however, I never got hooked. I didn't believe that "gateway" stuff 'til I was high and passed out on the other side of the gate. I'm glad I experimented though. It's helped me realize my priorities in life, and what needs to be done. So that's my two cents.
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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: ImOver18]
#2110709 - 11/16/03 01:54 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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NO>NO>NO>
If reefer was legal then it wouldn't be a "gateway" drug. Because it is illegal is why "they" say it is a "gateway" drug. If you didn't have too meet scketchy people to acquire some herb then you would not ever come across real drugs, i.e. meth, heroine, crack, etc... I consider reefer and mushrooms as medicine. Purely medicine. And all the connotations and that goes with medicine not "drugs". Later. Medicinebag
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