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Re: North Korean Hackers Win - Sony Pulls the Plug on "The Interview" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21043419 - 12/30/14 10:52 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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It's not a patriotism thing.  Do you really think a disgruntled employee would go to all that trouble?  Risk their lives?  Don't forget, if they get identified they are going to jail for a long time.




Yes I actually do, as there have been a lot of past cases where employees have done so.
Remember there are a lot of people who do not completely think of the consequences of their actions, or think themselves invincible. Past company hacks by disgruntled employees show this to be true, and they don't seem to be stopping anytime soon.
The whole NK angle could be an attempt for the employee to shift the focus.


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Re: North Korean Hackers Win - Sony Pulls the Plug on "The Interview" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21043610 - 12/30/14 11:45 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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It's not a patriotism thing.  Do you really think a disgruntled employee would go to all that trouble?  Risk their lives?  Don't forget, if they get identified they are going to jail for a long time.



Revenge is a powerful motivator. May be one of the most powerful. Hackers also do this shit because they simply want to see if they can do it.

You could say the same thing about any criminal. When it comes down to it, they don't think they will get caught.


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Re: North Korean Hackers Win - Sony Pulls the Plug on "The Interview" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21043653 - 12/30/14 11:54 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Not according to that article

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The investigators believe the disgruntled former employee or employees may have joined forces with pro-piracy hacktivists, who have long resented the Sony’s anti-piracy stance, to infiltrate the company’s networks.







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The disclosure casts further doubt on the FBI’s assertion that the attack was carried out by state-sponsored actors under the control of North Korea, a theory that has been all but discredited by a host of security professionals over the last week, including former federal prosecutor Mark Rasch.

“It has always been suspicious that it was North Korea,” Rasch said. “Not impossible – but doubtful…It made a lot more sense that it was insiders pretending to be North Korea.”

Rasch noted that the earliest messages released by the attackers did not mention the controversial film The Interview, but instead aired complaints about Sony policies as being unfair and made attempts to extort money from the company while threatening to release embarrassing information.




There's virtually no evidence that NK was behind it. As concluded by multiple leading cyber security firms.


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Re: North Korean Hackers Win - Sony Pulls the Plug on "The Interview" [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #21043658 - 12/30/14 11:55 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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It's not a patriotism thing.  Do you really think a disgruntled employee would go to all that trouble?  Risk their lives?  Don't forget, if they get identified they are going to jail for a long time.




Yes I actually do, as there have been a lot of past cases where employees have done so.




There have?
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Remember there are a lot of people who do not completely think of the consequences of their actions, or think themselves invincible. Past company hacks by disgruntled employees show this to be true, and they don't seem to be stopping anytime soon.
The whole NK angle could be an attempt for the employee to shift the focus.




The hackers didn't say they were NK.


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Re: North Korean Hackers Win - Sony Pulls the Plug on "The Interview" [Re: Shroomism]
    #21043663 - 12/30/14 11:56 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Not according to that article

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The investigators believe the disgruntled former employee or employees may have joined forces with pro-piracy hacktivists, who have long resented the Sony’s anti-piracy stance, to infiltrate the company’s networks.







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The disclosure casts further doubt on the FBI’s assertion that the attack was carried out by state-sponsored actors under the control of North Korea, a theory that has been all but discredited by a host of security professionals over the last week, including former federal prosecutor Mark Rasch.

“It has always been suspicious that it was North Korea,” Rasch said. “Not impossible – but doubtful…It made a lot more sense that it was insiders pretending to be North Korea.”

Rasch noted that the earliest messages released by the attackers did not mention the controversial film The Interview, but instead aired complaints about Sony policies as being unfair and made attempts to extort money from the company while threatening to release embarrassing information.




There's virtually no evidence that NK was behind it. As concluded by multiple leading cyber security firms.




How do you know what evidence the FBI and NSA has?


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Re: North Korean Hackers Win - Sony Pulls the Plug on "The Interview" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21043690 - 12/30/14 12:01 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Their competence is sometimes questionable.


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Re: North Korean Hackers Win - Sony Pulls the Plug on "The Interview" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21043829 - 12/30/14 12:33 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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There have?





Yes. A google search will bring up troves.

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The hackers didn't say they were NK.




No, but they did mention about the interview and as I mentioned earlier one the of the proxy paths had a breadcrumb that led to NK - a very amateur mistake if the attackers were actually from NK, but a easy to spoof record if they were trying to place the heat somewhere else.

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How do you know what evidence the FBI and NSA has?




I know this was directed at Shroomism but:
I obviously don't know what evidence the FBI has besides what they said. But all access records - which they say are what they are using as evidence - are very easily spoofed and cannot be trusted. There isn't a way around that, it's just the way it is.


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Re: North Korean Hackers Win - Sony Pulls the Plug on "The Interview" [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #21044128 - 12/30/14 01:49 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Instead of telling me to try critical thinking, you should try it yourself.
It's entirely plausible that the reason it was done now was to try to throw the blame to NK. Breaking into a company's servers is a serious offence and means jail time if caught (see past cases such as HB Gary). Covering ones' tracks by pretending to be a NK sympathizer is a great way to throw the FBI off your path.

It could very well of been NK too. The fact of the matter is the proof that exists is not hard enough to say one or the other, and the fact that it is easily spoofed just underlines that even more. NK certainly has the motives to do it, but it would be remiss to ignore the possibility I mentioned, that it could have been someone expertly covering their tracks by shifting the blame.

I know the whole hacking thing is a huge mystery to many people and as such they don't understand it and think "if it points to NK it must be so".




Who benefited from the hacking?  There's your number one suspect.


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Re: North Korean Hackers Win - Sony Pulls the Plug on "The Interview" [Re: mpd]
    #21044136 - 12/30/14 01:50 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Who didn't benefit from the hacking would be a better question.


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Re: North Korean Hackers Win - Sony Pulls the Plug on "The Interview" [Re: mpd]
    #21044251 - 12/30/14 02:17 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Who benefited from the hacking?  There's your number one suspect.




There are a lot who could potentially benefit. For example, an ex-employee or a hacker group who got revenge against Sony.


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Re: North Korean Hackers Win - Sony Pulls the Plug on "The Interview" [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #21044270 - 12/30/14 02:22 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Right.  Denial is not just a river, comrade.


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Re: North Korean Hackers Win - Sony Pulls the Plug on "The Interview" [Re: mpd] * 2
    #21044312 - 12/30/14 02:34 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Neither is ignorance.


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Re: North Korean Hackers Win - Sony Pulls the Plug on "The Interview" [Re: zZZz]
    #21044412 - 12/30/14 03:02 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

A security firm has brought new evidence to the FBI that it claims points to a laid-off employee and others as the hackers behind the massive cyber-breach at Sony, even as the bureau publicly stands by its explanation that North Korea executed the attack.

Kurt Stammberger, senior vice president for market development at cyber intelligence firm Norse, told FoxNews.com that his company was turning over "raw data" to the FBI on Tuesday. He said the company also briefed the FBI for "two or three hours" on Monday during a meeting in St. Louis.

"They were very open" to the new information, Stammberger said.

Among other details, he said Norse has data about the malware samples that point to "super, super detailed insider information" that only a Sony insider would have.

The briefing by Norse is the latest example of the doubts being raised by private cybersecurity analysts about the FBI's claim that Kim Jong-un's regime was behind the attack. Skeptics for days have described the evidence cited by the FBI as inconclusive and circumstantial. And they've questioned whether Pyongyang had the motive, or the ability, to scramble Sony's systems.

The most popular alternative theory, it seems, is that the hack was carried out by disgruntled former Sony employees.

The FBI, though, stood by its original announcement on Tuesday.

"The FBI has concluded the Government of North Korea is responsible for the theft and destruction of data on the network of Sony Pictures Entertainment," the FBI said in a statement. "Attribution to North Korea is based on intelligence from the FBI, the U.S. intelligence community, DHS, foreign partners and the private sector."

The bureau added: "There is no credible information to indicate that any other individual is responsible for this cyber incident."

A State Department spokesman on Tuesday also stood by the conclusion that North Korea was responsible.

Some in the private sector have defended the FBI's case.

Dmitri Alperovitch, with security firm CrowdStrike, recently told Wired that the U.S. has more evidence proving North Korean involvement, and the government can't release it yet.

But Stammberger said he's confident the FBI will investigate further.

"They're smart folks. They will follow the evidence of the data trail, I'm confident of that," he said. 

A post on Norse's company blog on Monday explained that their own investigation has focused on a group of at least six people who "may have worked to compromise the company's networks, including at least one ex-employee who had the technical background and system knowledge to carry out the attack."

According to the post, the researchers "tracked the activities of the ex-employee on underground forums." Investigators at Norse believe disgruntled workers or former workers "may have joined forces with pro-piracy hacktivists, who have long resented the Sony's anti-piracy stance."

Stammberger explained Tuesday that the information points to at least one American -- the former Sony employee, who according to Stammberger lost their job earlier this year -- as well as individuals from Canada, Singapore and Thailand.

He acknowledged the FBI could have a "smoking gun" piece of evidence that they haven't shared, but said the private intelligence community has seen nothing connecting the attack to a nation state.

"The fact that nobody has seen any data that connected this to North Korea is a little strange," he said. "Also strange was the speed at which the FBI ... pinned it on them."

Other security analysts have floated a similar theory.

David Kennedy, CEO of information security firm TrustedSec, told FoxNews.com last week that he thinks an angry insider at Sony was behind the attack.

"They were going for destroying the company," he said. He noted Sony had massive layoffs earlier this year, "a lot of them in the systems administrator field."

The FBI has not shared all its evidence, leaving open the possibility that the bureau has stronger evidence linking the hack to North Korea.

The FBI, in originally claiming Pyongyang was behind the hack, alleged the following:   

Analysis of the malware "revealed links to other malware that the FBI knows North Korean actors previously developed."
The FBI observed "significant overlap between the infrastructure used in this attack and other malicious cyber activity" previously linked to North Korea, like North Korea-tied IP addresses that allegedly communicated with IP addresses tied to the Sony attack.
The "tools" used in the Sony attack were similar to an attack in March 2013 by North Korea against South Korean companies.
But some have noted that the malware code has already leaked and is used by others, meaning its use in this attack doesn't necessarily point to North Korea.

"It's kind of like saying the bank robbers used a Ford Focus as a getaway car. Your grandmother uses a Ford Focus. Therefore, your grandmother is the bank robber," Stammberger said.

And skeptics have questioned the notion that the attack was North Korean retaliation for "The Interview" -- the comedy where Seth Rogen and James Franco play two reporters hired to take out North Korea's leader. Though North Korea had objected to the film, critics say the initial messages from the apparent hackers did not cite the movie. That connection came later.

North Korea, for its part, denies responsibility for the attack.

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Who benefited?  Looks like a disgruntled employee and that means I owe an apology to tymo.  I apologize tymo.  You were right and I was wrong.


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Re: North Korean Hackers Win - Sony Pulls the Plug on "The Interview" [Re: mpd]
    #21044570 - 12/30/14 03:38 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

More bullshit for the sheeple to feed off of :rolleyes:


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Re: North Korean Hackers Win - Sony Pulls the Plug on "The Interview" [Re: zZZz]
    #21044672 - 12/30/14 04:00 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

And you know that based on what information?


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Re: North Korean Hackers Win - Sony Pulls the Plug on "The Interview" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21044725 - 12/30/14 04:10 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Not information, it's based on faith, as you sh.. People are doing.


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Re: North Korean Hackers Win - Sony Pulls the Plug on [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #21044752 - 12/30/14 04:18 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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I attacked your posts and if you can find an example of critical thinking in any of them I would love to see it.  Mostly you hew to a strict L. Ron Paulian anti-semitic dogma.  That doesn't require much thought




Actually no, you attacked shins. You said

"I have no reason to believe that you are capable of critical thinking at all.  Most of your posts are drooling conspiracy nutcase pieces."

This is a classic example of a personal attack. What you said in this post addressed to me was ok, a difference of opinion but your post against shins was an attack. It just shows the mods pick and choose who to enforce the rules against. I never reported any of your posts, I never report any posts. But I wanted to call you on it.

If you were half as smart as ron paul you would be a wizard.

Meanwhile, sony rakes in the money via not only theater releases but also rentals, sales, u-tube, etc. Just as I predicted.


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Re: North Korean Hackers Win - Sony Pulls the Plug on [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21044854 - 12/30/14 04:40 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

They aint raking in shit  They have to make a fuck ton more money to get anywhere near even,


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Re: North Korean Hackers Win - Sony Pulls the Plug on "The Interview" [Re: mpd]
    #21045047 - 12/30/14 05:06 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Who benefited?  Looks like a disgruntled employee and that means I owe an apology to tymo.  I apologize tymo.  You were right and I was wrong.





Thanks. My profession is related to this and so when I heard the proof that supposedly linked it to NK I delved deeper. Most people wouldn't realize how easily logs can be spoofed.

There have been a lot of cases where sys admins and such scorned by their employer retaliate by attacking their company.


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Re: North Korean Hackers Win - Sony Pulls the Plug on "The Interview" [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #21045077 - 12/30/14 05:12 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I'm serious.  What major hack has ever been attributed to a disgruntled ex-employee?


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