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Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat?
    #21039798 - 12/29/14 02:30 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Shaktipat is the transmission of spiritual energy from a spiritual master to the student.

I recently discovered that one of my favorite spiritual teachers, Jan Esmann, offers Shaktipat on his website via youtube video. All you need to do is watch a video. If you are not familiar with Jan and his teachings, I would recommend familiarizing yourself with them first. In order to get the most out of it, you need to be a worthy recipient and you should be working to raise your kundalani.

I am curious to hear experiences of anyone who attempts this. Jan says he is not sure whether it will work via youtube, but it seemed to work for me.

My experience: I felt a very noticeable shift in my energy. the way I would describe it would be to say that instead of my mind getting quieter, the silence in my mind grew louder. After that, I felt an increase in mental sharpness and this has remained with me ever since (2 days).

Here is a link to the video section on Jan's site:

http://www.lovebliss.eu/videos.html

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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: Deviate]
    #21039861 - 12/29/14 02:46 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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instead of my mind getting quieter, the silence in my mind grew louder




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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21039992 - 12/29/14 03:25 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Cool, I have received shaktipat via video before and I can confirm it definitely works. Once shakti is awakened your body may start to move into various yogic postures and you may start to have visions, kinda like what you would experience from dmt/shrooms etc..

kinda like that:

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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: razorman]
    #21040081 - 12/29/14 03:51 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Oh for the love of all mumblers that have ever mumbled anything in unengaged low amplitude voice, with a glazed look on their eyes :lol:

The Jan dude, priceless. Can I get a link to the actual "shaktipat transmission video"? For science :biggrin:

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razorman said:
Cool, I have received shaktipat via video before and I can confirm it definitely works. Once shakti is awakened your body may start to move into various yogic postures and you may start to have visions, kinda like what you would experience from dmt/shrooms etc..

kinda like that:




But dude, that girl is faking it like there's no tomorrow. Watch this again while tripping if you're not convinced now, you'll know 100% she's faking it. I think we're all trippers here so we've likely all done what she's claiming to do there, I'm absolutely not bashing the existence of it, just saying that girl's mostly looking for attention, maybe to reinforce some placebo to herself, there's no immense wave of electrical awesomeness surging through her system, or especially we as trippers would know and recognize it. 

Personally I'm EXTREMELY suspicious of the whole idea of digitally transmitted shaktipat, and I'll reserve judgment on the in-person version, because I didn't get a chance to witness one for myself. I've seen people full of fantastic power, and I know that just interacting with them at all will reorganize one's head and beliefs of what's possible, but over youtube? Really? Link me, I'm game, I'll try anything once. If that nerdy Jan dude has any magic to speak of, I'll gladly take my hat off and admit I was wrong, in fact I'm looking forward to it. As it is, my money is on the video shaktipat being mere placebo, hopes and wishes.


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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: Spacerific]
    #21040203 - 12/29/14 04:26 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I thought it was bullshit and placebo too, until my body started doing yogic positions that I had never seen in my entire life.

Here is the initiation video. Btw you have to make an effort with the mantra, it won't come all by itself while you just sitting there. There has to be a small effort and openness on your part. For successful shaktipat transmission both sender and receiver are necessary, not just one.



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Oh for the love of all mumblers that have ever mumbled anything in unengaged low amplitude voice, with a glazed look on their eyes :lol:

The Jan dude, priceless. Can I get a link to the actual "shaktipat transmission video"? For science :biggrin:

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razorman said:
Cool, I have received shaktipat via video before and I can confirm it definitely works. Once shakti is awakened your body may start to move into various yogic postures and you may start to have visions, kinda like what you would experience from dmt/shrooms etc..

kinda like that:




But dude, that girl is faking it like there's no tomorrow. Watch this again while tripping if you're not convinced now, you'll know 100% she's faking it. I think we're all trippers here so we've likely all done what she's claiming to do there, I'm absolutely not bashing the existence of it, just saying that girl's mostly looking for attention, maybe to reinforce some placebo to herself, there's no immense wave of electrical awesomeness surging through her system, or especially we as trippers would know and recognize it. 

Personally I'm EXTREMELY suspicious of the whole idea of digitally transmitted shaktipat, and I'll reserve judgment on the in-person version, because I didn't get a chance to witness one for myself. I've seen people full of fantastic power, and I know that just interacting with them at all will reorganize one's head and beliefs of what's possible, but over youtube? Really? Link me, I'm game, I'll try anything once. If that nerdy Jan dude has any magic to speak of, I'll gladly take my hat off and admit I was wrong, in fact I'm looking forward to it. As it is, my money is on the video shaktipat being mere placebo, hopes and wishes.



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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: razorman]
    #21040230 - 12/29/14 04:31 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)



I received more psychic energy from this old man.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

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I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: razorman] * 1
    #21040276 - 12/29/14 04:39 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Well there seems to be a whole Shaktipat party developing here :lol:

So update, I've actually sat through and watched, and to the best of my ability have really given it the time of day, with that Jan video.
For some reason it's specifically designed without a Maximize button, so that you have to stare into that tiny tiny box :shrug:

At the end of this incredible transmission of godly energy, I am happy to report that the result on me was absolutely ... nothing. Nothing at all, zilch, nada, zero.

I am constantly impressed by how people actually believe that this slow talking boring incessantly-blinking fat dude has anything to teach, other than proper donut eating etiquette. Amazing :biggrin:

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I thought it was bullshit and placebo too, until my body started doing yogic positions that I had never seen in my entire life.

Here is the initiation video. Btw you have to make an effort with the mantra, it won't come all by itself while you just sitting there. There has to be a small effort and openness on your part. For successful shaktipat transmission both sender and receiver are necessary, not just one.






I will absolutely give this one a try next, not right now as it's 1 AM and people are sleeping, so I can't do the mantras properly, but rest assured I will show up, give it an absolutely 100% honest try, I'll do asanas, mantras, whatever the video instructs me to do, that doesn't involve sucking any amount of dick at all, I will absolutely do, as I like to give it the best chance of working. Will report back on this with results.


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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: Spacerific]
    #21040324 - 12/29/14 04:47 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Instructions:

Once you watch the video, sit on the floor/comfortable place and close your eyes and visualize the man in the video and start repeating the mantra that you hear in the video. Just keep doing that and see what happens. Some friends of mine that have tried it do not get much effect the first few times they try, but after 2nd-3rd time things may start to happen. So just give it an honest try and see what happens.

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Well there seems to be a whole Shaktipat party developing here :lol:

So update, I've actually sat through and watched, and to the best of my ability have really given it the time of day, with that Jan video.
For some reason it's specifically designed without a Maximize button, so that you have to stare into that tiny tiny box :shrug:

At the end of this incredible transmission of godly energy, I am happy to report that the result on me was absolutely ... nothing. Nothing at all, zilch, nada, zero.

I am constantly impressed by how people actually believe that this slow talking boring incessantly-blinking fat dude has anything to teach, other than proper donut eating etiquette. Amazing :biggrin:

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razorman said:
I thought it was bullshit and placebo too, until my body started doing yogic positions that I had never seen in my entire life.

Here is the initiation video. Btw you have to make an effort with the mantra, it won't come all by itself while you just sitting there. There has to be a small effort and openness on your part. For successful shaktipat transmission both sender and receiver are necessary, not just one.






I will absolutely give this one a try next, not right now as it's 1 AM and people are sleeping, so I can't do the mantras properly, but rest assured I will show up, give it an absolutely 100% honest try, I'll do asanas, mantras, whatever the video instructs me to do, that doesn't involve sucking any amount of dick at all, I will absolutely do, as I like to give it the best chance of working. Will report back on this with results.



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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21041019 - 12/29/14 07:28 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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CosmicJoke said:


I received more psychic energy from this old man.




:awepuss:

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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: Middleman]
    #21043276 - 12/30/14 10:04 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I have to admit the cat imitation was pretty funny!


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I received more psychic energy from this old man.




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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: razorman]
    #21043337 - 12/30/14 10:23 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Your video didn't do much for me, the defocusing of the camera corresponded with him sounding more sleepy, which was very lulling, kind of like a robotic toy running out of batteries...

That freak Allen Ginsberg draws me in though



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I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: razorman] * 1
    #21043363 - 12/30/14 10:33 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I do think shaktipat is a very real thing having spoken to others who have received it. It seems it can be incredibly helpful to those on a practicing spiritual path. However, I'm not so sure about receiving shaktipat from a person/teacher that I don't know very well or have a relationship with, so to speak. My understanding is that the level that skaktipat works at depends very much on the attitude of the aspirant to the teacher, the openness of the aspirant to the energy, and not least the ability of the aspirant to keep a still mind/meditative state during the transmission itself.

I'm working with a teacher at the moment who I trust very much. I know he is giving shaktipat in person to those who want to receive it, and I'm happy to wait for the right moment when I can see him in person or when he is able to give it remotely.


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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: razorman]
    #21043997 - 12/30/14 01:19 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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I thought it was bullshit and placebo too, until my body started doing yogic positions that I had never seen in my entire life.

Here is the initiation video. Btw you have to make an effort with the mantra, it won't come all by itself while you just sitting there. There has to be a small effort and openness on your part. For successful shaktipat transmission both sender and receiver are necessary, not just one.






OK so still not home alone enough to actually do this, but I've taken the time to watch the vid, to understand what I'm supposed to be doing.

First off, what is it with these people, the alleged gurus, holders of divine knowledge and energy? Jos is uber fat, talking the nerdy talk, blinking like he's in some interrogatory, trying to explain that no he did not have sexual relations with that woman, and this other dude in the vid above, he's doing the robot talk from various sci fi movies. Nice looking guy, but I see nothing happening (electrically) in his system, to differentiate him from any number of elderly janitors I've seen peacefully mopping the hallways. What is he supposed to have, or have achieved, that the rest of us primates don't?

Nevertheless, we will get to the bottom of this. Apparently the way to get the pimp energy from above, is repeating Kling Krishna Kling, mindfully, for 20+ minutes.

I'm totally not bashing it, I know full well the power of repetition, of going deeply into a pattern until it envelops one's neurology all the way.

My question is, is that what got your body doing "yogic positions that I had never seen in my entire life" ? Simply chanting Kling Krishna Kling?

Second question, do you actually take time out of your day now, to chant Kling Krishna Kling regularly, or was it a one time thing, fire and forget, never to be done again? I ask because if the alleged shaktipat was and felt so awesome, it would have spurred you on to repeat the experience. If it was just placebo crap, then you would have done it once and then :shrug: can't be bothered again. So which is it?

My current hunch is that any sound, repeated for long enough, will be effective at countering the grammatical chatter we usually busy our minds with. The repetitive, rhythmical, non-grammatical non-syntactical nature of it, acts like waves of the ocean for instance. I furthermore believe this is far stronger of a mind-cleansing device, compared to mumbling texts from scriptures or prayer books, which are just more words and grammar. So it's not this or that mantra that delivers, as much as the fact that one took 20-30 minutes to focus the mind consistently on a simple repetitive pattern.

Now has anybody split-tested this stuff properly?

I mean chanting Kling Krishna Kling, and comparing it to Muni-Muni-Muni-Muni and  Hare Ram Hare Ram Hare Krishna Hare Ram? I'm pretty sure we all have mantras that work better than others, as in, it depends on the person, what goes best with one's neurology, for one it's more vowels, for another more consonants, for some longer for some shorter, etc.

I know that I've played once with that word the Muslims use, Alhamdulillah, I recorded it in several versions, in overtone chanting, edited it into a song, recorded a second layer at a different speed, before you know it I had a whole thing going. Very good for clearing the mind, the pure sound, completely distinct from the meaning of the word, which I myself couldn't give two shits about. So if Alhamdulillah is effective to a complete non-Muslim, I'm thinking it's the sound repetition that does the whole magic.

Any thoughts?


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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: Spacerific]
    #21044047 - 12/30/14 01:31 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Oh hell, I actually found this thing. Awesome piece of history right here :lol:

So this here is my own little Shaktipat frequency transmission. I don't know if it'll get any weird yoga positions out of any viewer, but I'm pretty sure you'll start getting into the rhythm pretty soon.

Take a look and check the effects. That's from 2 minutes. To my mind it's absolutely logical that after 15-20 min one's mind would start going places it's never been before. That's not the guru sending some weird shaktipat energy, it's the engagement with new activities and external stimulation patterns, the brain entraining to new sustained rhythms.


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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: Spacerific]
    #21044200 - 12/30/14 02:06 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

In my case when I first started doing the mantra repetition and visualization it took about 30 minutes of continuous chanting and visualizing the image of the "guru" before I started to feel like my body was starting to move gently on it's own. I remember the first time I was chanting I could feel an impulse to move, but the weird thing was that I was not doing the "willing".

At first it kinda freaked me out a little bit because I was not expecting a result so quickly. First the movements began with little hand gestures hear and there, very mild stuff, but then it intensified and my body started to go into various "yogic" postures, some of the stuff was so complex and unique I would not have even thought that a human body can bend in such a way. I have seen many yoga postures before in books, but some of the these postures were so unique that I was absolutely baffled. The only way I can explain it, it feels like the body is doing this all on it's own and you are there just kind of observing this whole process and letting it happen, these movements are essentially involuntary. 

To be perfectly honest, If someone else told me this whole thing a few years back I probably would have laughed in his face, or thought they were crazy. From my research and reading about this phenomena, I have come to understand that these "yogic movements" are refereed to as "kriya" in India and their job is to slowly over time prepare the body/mind of the practitioner to experience and live in higher states of consciousness / enlightenment / full kundalini rising and integration etc...

From what I have also read, it seems that a mantra has to be given by a real "guru", otherwise it will not have much effect in kick starting this whole process. Btw I started this whole process about 2 years ago and it is still ongoing, I basically don't do the mantra any more because all I have to do is sit on the floor and the movements now start immediately, there is no more mental effort on my part any longer. From what I have observed so far with these "kriya" is that over time every single part of the body is gradually worked on, toes, feet, legs, abdominal, chest, arms, shoulder, every part of the body is pulled, stretched,  compressed in a such an intricate way, that the only thing you can do is observe this process in yourself and be in absolute awe at the results. Not only that, but when one of these spontaneous "kriya" sessions is over you feel like you have been rejuvenated and you feel like both mind/body have been improved in some way. I can go for hours on the things I have experienced in the past 2 years as a result of this practice, but I think it would be too much to describe, I would have to prob write a book to get through everything.


If you have any other questions, feel free to ask!


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I thought it was bullshit and placebo too, until my body started doing yogic positions that I had never seen in my entire life.

Here is the initiation video. Btw you have to make an effort with the mantra, it won't come all by itself while you just sitting there. There has to be a small effort and openness on your part. For successful shaktipat transmission both sender and receiver are necessary, not just one.






OK so still not home alone enough to actually do this, but I've taken the time to watch the vid, to understand what I'm supposed to be doing.

First off, what is it with these people, the alleged gurus, holders of divine knowledge and energy? Jos is uber fat, talking the nerdy talk, blinking like he's in some interrogatory, trying to explain that no he did not have sexual relations with that woman, and this other dude in the vid above, he's doing the robot talk from various sci fi movies. Nice looking guy, but I see nothing happening (electrically) in his system, to differentiate him from any number of elderly janitors I've seen peacefully mopping the hallways. What is he supposed to have, or have achieved, that the rest of us primates don't?

Nevertheless, we will get to the bottom of this. Apparently the way to get the pimp energy from above, is repeating Kling Krishna Kling, mindfully, for 20+ minutes.

I'm totally not bashing it, I know full well the power of repetition, of going deeply into a pattern until it envelops one's neurology all the way.

My question is, is that what got your body doing "yogic positions that I had never seen in my entire life" ? Simply chanting Kling Krishna Kling?

Second question, do you actually take time out of your day now, to chant Kling Krishna Kling regularly, or was it a one time thing, fire and forget, never to be done again? I ask because if the alleged shaktipat was and felt so awesome, it would have spurred you on to repeat the experience. If it was just placebo crap, then you would have done it once and then :shrug: can't be bothered again. So which is it?

My current hunch is that any sound, repeated for long enough, will be effective at countering the grammatical chatter we usually busy our minds with. The repetitive, rhythmical, non-grammatical non-syntactical nature of it, acts like waves of the ocean for instance. I furthermore believe this is far stronger of a mind-cleansing device, compared to mumbling texts from scriptures or prayer books, which are just more words and grammar. So it's not this or that mantra that delivers, as much as the fact that one took 20-30 minutes to focus the mind consistently on a simple repetitive pattern.

Now has anybody split-tested this stuff properly?

I mean chanting Kling Krishna Kling, and comparing it to Muni-Muni-Muni-Muni and  Hare Ram Hare Ram Hare Krishna Hare Ram? I'm pretty sure we all have mantras that work better than others, as in, it depends on the person, what goes best with one's neurology, for one it's more vowels, for another more consonants, for some longer for some shorter, etc.

I know that I've played once with that word the Muslims use, Alhamdulillah, I recorded it in several versions, in overtone chanting, edited it into a song, recorded a second layer at a different speed, before you know it I had a whole thing going. Very good for clearing the mind, the pure sound, completely distinct from the meaning of the word, which I myself couldn't give two shits about. So if Alhamdulillah is effective to a complete non-Muslim, I'm thinking it's the sound repetition that does the whole magic.

Any thoughts?



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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: razorman]
    #21044322 - 12/30/14 02:36 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Well now we're talking :thumbup:

Hand motions and such, that I understand. I know EXACTLY what you're talking about, as I'm going through the same process.

At some point after my first Aya session, I believe the first :mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2: trip after my first aya session, I've started to do the palms pressed against each other, and held that pose for 10-15 minutes, like I'd be walking down the street, and holding my palms together, and if I'd take them apart I'd feel disoriented, like I can't make sense of the city around me. Later the dance moves started, so a lot of organized, mindful hand gestures, which I've also seen at A LOT of trippers and dancers at psytrance festivals later.

I've tripped a lot more since then, and I've learned what the shrooms and acid have to teach about these, and I fully agree with you, the gestures modulate energy (more accurately, electric activity, in both the limb and the brain) and it's like a sculpting of one's electric field and breath patterns and processing patterns, in preparation for more complex information, or stronger waves of energy later on.

I've seen these movements (and breath patterns) to be connected in a way with
- Pranayama
- Wushu
- Tai Chi
- Qi Gong
- Yoga
- Natural movements and postures as practiced by various animals

If you want to share them, writing a book would be a waste of time, very poor choice of medium, to transmit that kind of data. If you were to make a few videos however, then we'd be talking. Video is the way to transmit this stuff more directly, demonstrate, the viewer can engage their mirror neurons and lock into that behavior, that's where all the juice and magic is.

So if you'd be interested to either post or :pm: some video with your movements, as they come and as they happen, I'd absolutely be very curious about it :thumbup:

I've met a couple of Shroomery members IRL, one of them said that his impression is I'm kind of mildly tripping all the time, in the sense that I'm doing both the breath and eye movement and trippy limb patterns, and indeed I do, as I see them as effective ways to regulate and modulate attention, thought processes, speed up or slow down brainwaves as needed, etc.

I've seen a few "masters" of this stuff IRL, and I definitely know there's a lot of potential to be uncovered in this direction. The human body can do amazing, wonderful things, if we can discipline it in some direction, away from idle electrical numbness, always ass-on-chair or ass-on-couch wasting energy with computers, and more mindful breath, presence, engaged movement.


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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: Spacerific]
    #21044377 - 12/30/14 02:52 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I think I might do a video myself, I have never actually thought of doing that.

Here are a few examples of what I am trying to describe!










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Well now we're talking :thumbup:

Hand motions and such, that I understand. I know EXACTLY what you're talking about, as I'm going through the same process.

At some point after my first Aya session, I believe the first :mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2: trip after my first aya session, I've started to do the palms pressed against each other, and held that pose for 10-15 minutes, like I'd be walking down the street, and holding my palms together, and if I'd take them apart I'd feel disoriented, like I can't make sense of the city around me. Later the dance moves started, so a lot of organized, mindful hand gestures, which I've also seen at A LOT of trippers and dancers at psytrance festivals later.

I've tripped a lot more since then, and I've learned what the shrooms and acid have to teach about these, and I fully agree with you, the gestures modulate energy (more accurately, electric activity, in both the limb and the brain) and it's like a sculpting of one's electric field and breath patterns and processing patterns, in preparation for more complex information, or stronger waves of energy later on.

I've seen these movements (and breath patterns) to be connected in a way with
- Pranayama
- Wushu
- Tai Chi
- Qi Gong
- Yoga
- Natural movements and postures as practiced by various animals

If you want to share them, writing a book would be a waste of time, very poor choice of medium, to transmit that kind of data. If you were to make a few videos however, then we'd be talking. Video is the way to transmit this stuff more directly, demonstrate, the viewer can engage their mirror neurons and lock into that behavior, that's where all the juice and magic is.

So if you'd be interested to either post or :pm: some video with your movements, as they come and as they happen, I'd absolutely be very curious about it :thumbup:

I've met a couple of Shroomery members IRL, one of them said that his impression is I'm kind of mildly tripping all the time, in the sense that I'm doing both the breath and eye movement and trippy limb patterns, and indeed I do, as I see them as effective ways to regulate and modulate attention, thought processes, speed up or slow down brainwaves as needed, etc.

I've seen a few "masters" of this stuff IRL, and I definitely know there's a lot of potential to be uncovered in this direction. The human body can do amazing, wonderful things, if we can discipline it in some direction, away from idle electrical numbness, always ass-on-chair or ass-on-couch wasting energy with computers, and more mindful breath, presence, engaged movement.



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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: razorman]
    #21044491 - 12/30/14 03:20 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, that's what I was talking about as well.

The second vid, I recognize the bit with the head leaning way back, I did that a lot during my Salvia trips. Definitely that dude has some nice stuff going through him, will take that under closer examination, do-alike, see how that feels when actually practiced.

Fun fact, if you guys know Bashar, the channel guy, Darryl, as he's "making contact" with Bashar, at the beginning of sessions, he's doing something quite similar, with the head, neck, and also as he's channeling, usually he's got the hands pressed together, or at least the fingertips. Now whether you believe he's channeling anything or not, (I myself haven't made my mind on that one) the moves themselves can be checked out, and they'll be a lot like these.

I've been told/shown during a mush trip, that this hands-pressed-together bit has distinct electrical effects, it affects how we process info in a specific way, you can actually sense it if you pay attention, and of course most religions have picked up on this electrical "trick", as the "praying hands" are definitely in, in all of them. Whether the meditating Buddha, praying in general, or even people saying please about extremely important matters, the hands-pressed-together move seems to be instinctive. Doesn't have to be the full gesture btw, one gets a lot of the effect from any kind of holding one's hands/fingers together, they all promote focusing inwards and balancing left/right.


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Re: Would anyone like to try to recieve shaktipat? [Re: Spacerific]
    #21044934 - 12/30/14 04:50 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

You did some of those things during a salvia trip? I would definitely like to hear more about that.

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Yeah, that's what I was talking about as well.

The second vid, I recognize the bit with the head leaning way back, I did that a lot during my Salvia trips. Definitely that dude has some nice stuff going through him, will take that under closer examination, do-alike, see how that feels when actually practiced.

Fun fact, if you guys know Bashar, the channel guy, Darryl, as he's "making contact" with Bashar, at the beginning of sessions, he's doing something quite similar, with the head, neck, and also as he's channeling, usually he's got the hands pressed together, or at least the fingertips. Now whether you believe he's channeling anything or not, (I myself haven't made my mind on that one) the moves themselves can be checked out, and they'll be a lot like these.

I've been told/shown during a mush trip, that this hands-pressed-together bit has distinct electrical effects, it affects how we process info in a specific way, you can actually sense it if you pay attention, and of course most religions have picked up on this electrical "trick", as the "praying hands" are definitely in, in all of them. Whether the meditating Buddha, praying in general, or even people saying please about extremely important matters, the hands-pressed-together move seems to be instinctive. Doesn't have to be the full gesture btw, one gets a lot of the effect from any kind of holding one's hands/fingers together, they all promote focusing inwards and balancing left/right.



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    #21046079 - 12/30/14 08:46 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Well I was smoking Salvia in say, a car, at night. Parked somewhere nice for privacy, quiet and good mystical vibes. One thing I noticed was sometimes I'd "look up" not just with my eyes, but all the way with my head, as if I'd be staring into something vast, immense, straight up above me, like a huge interdimensional vortex opening, space ships appearing above, whatever the Sally would bring, that "above" area became of spectacular interest.

So I'd look up (eyelids closed) and also "trace" with my head, whatever the focus of my visions was doing, hear something in the car, my trip mates doing something, moving slightly, and I'd "look" at them with eyelids closed, but my whole head and body would follow that movement. I'd do intense closed eyes "looking" at whatever I was focusing on, whether Salvia CEV or external sound source, and this focus would generate movements like those in the vid you posted.

BTW I wouldn't necessarily advise the smoking salvia in the car with many people at the same time, because if any one of the riders gets the epic salvia laughter, it'll be curtains for all the rest. You know how Salvia reverse tolerance works, you ride a lot, and then you can get a mega trip from trace amounts of sally that would barely move a beginner. Before you know it, everything is melting into fractal space clowns laughing in unison, and your ribs literally hurt from endless laughter. By the time you snap out of it you've seriously confused everybody else in the car :lol:


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