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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: cronicr]
    #21041322 - 12/29/14 08:42 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

No evaporation doesn't mean no pins.

These pins formed under constant 100% humidity conditions inside a completely air-tight container, even before full colonization was reached.

I have dozens of such examples...

We really need to re-conceptualize our understanding of "pinning triggers"


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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: Violet]
    #21041646 - 12/29/14 09:48 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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No evaporation doesn't mean no pins.

These pins formed under constant 100% humidity conditions inside a completely air-tight container, even before full colonization was reached.

I have dozens of such examples...

We really need to re-conceptualize our understanding of "pinning triggers"



Agin i will say submerge it, this guarentees no evaporation, till then it is a mute point IMO


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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: cronicr]
    #21041649 - 12/29/14 09:50 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I do agree there are bigger factors like full colonization but a water logged sub wont pin


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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: cronicr]
    #21041690 - 12/29/14 10:02 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Well clearly an air-tight containment like that guarantees 100% humidity, which ensures practically no evaporation since the moisture never leaves the container.
BTW that photo shows that "full colonization" is a bit of a misunderstanding as well!


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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: Violet]
    #21041698 - 12/29/14 10:04 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Show me more pics please Violet.


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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: taGyo]
    #21041742 - 12/29/14 10:15 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Unfortunately I only have a few pictures like that.  They're all posted on the pom tek though, linked in my signature, take a look.  Wish I had more right now!


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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: Violet]
    #21041785 - 12/29/14 10:28 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Ive had PF jars pin after consoldating for 2 weeks. They were sealed with tape on the syringe holes.

Why did it pin and fruit inside the glass jar?

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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #21041795 - 12/29/14 10:31 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Ive had PF jars pin after consoldating for 2 weeks. They were sealed with tape on the syringe holes.

Why did it pin and fruit inside the glass jar?



Full colonization and evaporation off the substrate


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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21041796 - 12/29/14 10:31 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Would digestion also play a role in pinning?


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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21041810 - 12/29/14 10:34 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Major consumption of the tiny bits of substrate - digestion.  A low-nutrition pinning environment on verm and against glass, with a high-humidity climate for knotting.  I'm not saying things such as "full colonization" aren't "pinning triggers" just that I firmly believe we need to reorder them and re-conceptualize what they are to begin with.


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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: Violet]
    #21041857 - 12/29/14 10:44 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

What's your order Violet?


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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: wowimflabbergasted] * 1
    #21041898 - 12/29/14 10:54 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I still am working on this list, sortof, but...

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I keep my RH mostly at 100%, use nearly No air exchange (since my substrate to air ratio is already very low), and make a goal to lose effectively No moisture from casing layers - succeeding in doing so as such to where I NEVER mist.
So how do you explain my rapid 3-day pinning?

I'm positive that evaporation from the substrate is overrated as a pinning trigger.

IME/IMO, from least to most influential:

6. Signs of decreasing availability of water ("evaporation from substrate") - but even that one not so much, lest my cakes wouldn't have such great results when bottom-watering.
5. Light stimulation of the culture (both a sign of potential sunbathing as well as imminent death)
4. Constantly saturation humidity micro-climate suitable for knotting (it's somewhat circumstantial that evaporation from bulk subs provides this)
3. Air exchange (increased availability of oxygen relative to carbon dioxide emitted)
2. Full colonization of substrate (no more food, imminent death)
1. No- or Low-nutrition pinning sites

Hope I didn't forget any.


Why do I believe that the no/low-nutrition pinning sight is the highest priority?

That's why.
The substrate and surface have not been fully colonized, no air exchange has been given, no light has been given (except very indirect ambient room light), no moisture has been lost, and no water was present near the pins to begin with.


Also, because I get FAR better results from straight grains when I use a casing layer, and not just because the grains dry up if directly exposed, because I still get relatively crap results from straight grains in the moisture-retaining conditions of invitro.
And I'm not the only one.
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cased



uncased




You bet your bunny slippers that the uncased grains had PLENTY of evaporation and moisture loss.... Crap results.




Leaf's first attempt results there are modest, but I like using examples other than my own when I can.


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