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jurence



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Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light
#21037001 - 12/28/14 08:14 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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A while back I did some monotubs and had to leave for a trip. I knew that the stage they were in made the tubs far too young for FAE/light so I decided to keep them tubs in the dark w/ scotch tape over the holes. To my delight when I came back the stems were LONG - like 6"-9" in length, and fruiting. Has anyone had something similar like this happen? I had pics, but last time a while back after switching phones. It seems to me like the little guys were trying to get to light and were trying to grow super far to no avail.
The tape kept the moisture in and there was still plenty of moisture in there by the time they were fruiting.
Has anyone else had a similar experience?
They were strong.
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Edited by jurence (12/28/14 08:16 PM)
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blackdust


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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: jurence]
#21037087 - 12/28/14 08:36 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is a common experience for the conditions of the tub.
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jurence



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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: blackdust]
#21037091 - 12/28/14 08:37 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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blackdust said: This is a common experience for the conditions of the tub.
Why don't people just do that then? Or is it just because of time? Long juicy stems and no maintenance are nice
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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: jurence] 1
#21037112 - 12/28/14 08:42 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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preference.
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Inocuole
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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: blackdust]
#21037147 - 12/28/14 08:54 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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My lights are on a timer and I don't have to touch shit, and light is the primary influence on cap size, and who doesn't like a big ass print?
Need I go on? Meatier fruits is why. It could very well influence potency as well.
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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: jurence] 1
#21037168 - 12/28/14 08:57 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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jurence said: A while back I did some monotubs and had to leave for a trip. I knew that the stage they were in made the tubs far too young for FAE/light so I decided to keep them tubs in the dark w/ scotch tape over the holes. To my delight when I came back the stems were LONG - like 6"-9" in length, and fruiting. Has anyone had something similar like this happen? I had pics, but last time a while back after switching phones. It seems to me like the little guys were trying to get to light and were trying to grow super far to no avail.
The tape kept the moisture in and there was still plenty of moisture in there by the time they were fruiting.
Has anyone else had a similar experience?
They were strong.
Had they had gotten light from day 1, and FAE when needed, they would be healthier....bigger is not always better.....
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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: PussyFart]
#21037172 - 12/28/14 08:59 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Jars/bags/tubs/trays should colonize @ room temperature getting ambient/indirect light.
Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.
Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.
P. Cubensis are a tropical species. You could colonize at 70F and fruit at 80F with great results.
Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.
You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.
You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.
Optimal temps are mid 70s throughout the whole grow, but anywhere from 65F-80F is acceptable.
Incubation is outdated/uneeded unless temps in the range stated above cannot be kept.
The inside of the jar is always a few degrees warmer than the outside because the mycellium produces heat..mycellium tends to stall at temps above 83F , and contams thrive.
Fruiting at cooler temps tends to produce denser, meatier fruits, while fruiting at higher temps will often produce hollow, less dense stems.
Mycelium should be exposed to ambient room light from day of inoculation as has been known for many years. Light is not a pinning trigger until after full colonization and an increase in air is given, and even then it's a secondary pinning trigger. RR
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Ghatti
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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: PussyFart]
#21037231 - 12/28/14 09:24 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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So light determines cap size now eh?
I must have missed a lot.
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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: Ghatti]
#21037269 - 12/28/14 09:37 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ghatti said: So light determines cap size now eh?
I must have missed a lot.
You've noticed no correlation at all between light and cap size? Is that what you're saying?
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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: Inocuole]
#21037302 - 12/28/14 09:45 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have found that FAE is overrated. I never fan, and when I do monotubs, I have 2 little holes at the top. that's it.
my grows are pretty much perfect
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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21037308 - 12/28/14 09:45 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: I have found that FAE is overrated. I never fan, and when I do monotubs, I have 2 little holes at the top. that's it.
my grows are pretty much perfect
Pics.
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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: taGyo]
#21037313 - 12/28/14 09:46 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly
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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: Inocuole]
#21037323 - 12/28/14 09:48 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Inocuole
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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21037339 - 12/28/14 09:50 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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You got APE to be skinny by reducing it's FAE. 
APE isn't supposed to be skinny though. So.....
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taGyo
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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21037341 - 12/28/14 09:51 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your first and second tub could have used more FAE. Your cake is far from perfect.
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Edited by taGyo (12/28/14 09:51 PM)
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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: taGyo]
#21037346 - 12/28/14 09:52 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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That is a massive fruit on that cake though, I dunno what's going on there, unless that's a camera angle trick or something.
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Bill_Oreilly
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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: taGyo]
#21037350 - 12/28/14 09:53 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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That monster weighed 25 grams wet, and I got over an 8th on that first flush.
That's pretty much perfect for APE on a cake.
edit: no camera trick..it was so big it had to rest on the tray itself. it was HUGE
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21037354 - 12/28/14 09:54 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Are you just misting your casing and letting the the tray sit in the open? I like the idea.
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Inocuole
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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: blackdust]
#21037359 - 12/28/14 09:56 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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No flaming? Where was I flaming? Want to see flaming?
Piss off you nosy wanker.
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Bill_Oreilly
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Re: Experimenting w/ reduced FAE & Light [Re: blackdust]
#21037364 - 12/28/14 09:56 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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blackdust said: Are you just misting your casing and letting the the tray sit in the open? I like the idea.
--- Inocule,
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5. No flaming in mushroom cultivation. If you're unable to post without showing respect to others, take it elsewhere.
Yeah. I just remove the lid for a second, spray the casing a little bit, then the walls, and put the lid back on. So I guess its getting SOME FAE
but ya, I do not evaporate the water off the sub
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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