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Re: Temporary schizophrenia during an intense trip? [Re: PsychoKinesiS] * 1
    #21033845 - 12/28/14 12:54 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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What I believe is happening is that the dmt is causing bridges between brain areas and causing consciousness to go in places where it never would have went normally. The visuals are a subconscious dream staging area. The OBE-ish perception of myself is probably some tactile body mapping. The voices are probably always there but not made conscious of, and are part of the brain's natural decentralized decision making process. etc.



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Re: Temporary schizophrenia during an intense trip? [Re: endogenous]
    #21033943 - 12/28/14 01:53 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

But essentially my viewpoint is compatible with yours. If you believe that dmt is consciousness and that DMT travelling to a brain area causes consciousness there, then that would result in me becoming conscious of these other brain areas, as I just said.

Both of our viewpoints result in the nature of the experience being the same: becoming conscious of other brain areas. We only have a slight disagreement in the mechanism of action. You think that dmt itself is conscious and I think that dmt causes electrical connections.


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Re: Temporary schizophrenia during an intense trip? [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
    #21033994 - 12/28/14 02:33 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Entheogens are not only Consciousness, They are Beings - They are Alive - and They have a Will.

They are not, (pardon the aspersion), dead machines.


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Re: Temporary schizophrenia during an intense trip? [Re: endogenous]
    #21034006 - 12/28/14 02:50 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Entheogens are not only Consciousness, They are Beings - They are Alive - and They have a Will.

They are not, (pardon the aspersion), dead machines.



What kind of proof do you have for this assertion? All you have is religious texts and beliefs of indian tribes - a notoriously correct source of information right?


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Re: Temporary schizophrenia during an intense trip? [Re: endogenous]
    #21034207 - 12/28/14 05:47 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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That's not at all what I'm talking about here, though.  This isn't metaphysical, it's just ordinary reality, rooted in neurons and neurogenesis induced by tryptamine administration. :shrug:




Ordinary reality (consciousness) comes from something. My belief, and understanding is that Entheogens are the essence of consciousness and consciousness comes from Them. I.e. - ordinary consciousness comes from the DMT, 5Meo-DMT and other Entheogens that the body produces.

I know that most people think there is a break between reality and "metaphysical". I've been having a conversation in Spirituality and Religion with someone who thinks that nothing is something - which is what most people think about "God" -- that God doesn't have a physical body, but exists.

The Substance that produces consciousness is just as everyday as the brain and neurons - and is beyond our control.

"What cannot be thought with the mind, but That whereby the mind can think. Know that alone to be Brahman, the Spirit, and not what the people of the world adore."  -- Kena Upanishad




You're barking up the wrong tree.  I've no problem at all with consciousness or its extension throughout all realms, with whatever mechanism you care to invoke to "explain" it along for the ride.  I've communicated quite often while tripping with emergent consciousness in nature, it's not even a spiritual thing, it's just a human thing.  I ascribe intention to mushroom "spirits" as well, having encountered that quite often.  But IMHO, in the latter case it's due to a synergy that occurs with ingestion, a lock-and-key effect - neither alone possesses those qualities to the degree that both together do.  That's why it's a sacrament (to me anyway) and highly revelatory in practice.

But in my brain there are two distinct loci of self-awareness, and they didn't communicate directly with each other until I spent a lot of time and effort making it possible.  After that they do.  End of story, start of new everyday reality. :thumbup:


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Re: Temporary schizophrenia during an intense trip? [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
    #21036236 - 12/28/14 04:41 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Entheogens are not only Consciousness, They are Beings - They are Alive - and They have a Will.

They are not, (pardon the aspersion), dead machines.



What kind of proof do you have for this assertion? All you have is religious texts and beliefs of indian tribes - a notoriously correct source of information right?



Oh - of course -- what would those uneducated savages know anyway. :smirk:


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Re: Temporary schizophrenia during an intense trip? [Re: endogenous]
    #21036275 - 12/28/14 04:48 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I dont know if thats schizo..

My brother is and when he has an episode he cant think or talk. He sees what he always describes to me "the shadow people." Its sad watching him, everytime he needs help he tries to write it or type it. Is anyone else like this?


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Re: Temporary schizophrenia during an intense trip? [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
    #21062306 - 01/03/15 05:06 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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endogenous said:
Entheogens are not only Consciousness, They are Beings - They are Alive - and They have a Will.

They are not, (pardon the aspersion), dead machines.



What kind of proof do you have for this assertion? All you have is religious texts and beliefs of indian tribes - a notoriously correct source of information right?



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Bill Oreilly said:
the main thing I found on psychs was an entity that which was an object made of gold matter that radiated with intelligence and understanding. I feel like it was time/space condensed.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21061968#21060176



I have also had this type of experience many times.


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