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MitchyDee
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Virgin lungs and DMT, help wanted!
#21032892 - 12/27/14 06:37 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hello shroomerites. I've come across an issue with smoking/vaping DMT and I'd like some advice. I have a huge trouble holding in dmt smoke/vapor. I don't smoke anything, and my lungs are much less conditioned than they used to be when I smoked a lot of pot. I've tried dmt out of the machine, which I believe that I smoked some of as opposed to vaporizing it all. I've also tried dabbing dmt out of an oil rig that I bought specifically for dmt.
Anyway, my question: how would you recommend I condition my lungs before my next attempt with DMT? Would smoking some herbs (not marijuana, it gives me pretty bad anxiety) for a week or so before I try with DMT be advisable?
Thanks in advance, MitchyDee
ANOTHER IDEA that I had is, to numb the mouth and throat, gargling a cocaine hydrochloride solution then waiting a few minutes for the numbness to set in, then smoke/vape my dose of dmt. Thoughts? Thanks in advance!
Edited by MitchyDee (01/18/15 01:25 PM)
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Re: Virgin lungs and DMT, help wanted! [Re: MitchyDee]
#21032926 - 12/27/14 06:44 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Have you tried a waterbong with ice water in it yet?
And do you use a microtorch for your deems?
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Re: Virgin lungs and DMT, help wanted! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21032979 - 12/27/14 06:58 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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No, I haven't tried a bong with ice water, or a bong at all for that matter. Would you recommend fillin my rig with ice water? I remember hearing something about dmt recrystallizing with water, that is yet to happen to me with cold water, not ice water though.
And what do you mean by a micro torch? I've used a small torch to heat up the nail for dabbing and a bic for the machine, I haven't used a torch actually on the dmt though. Wouldn't that be too hot?
Also thanks for the quick reply, I always enjoy reading your responses around the shroomery. I lurk around here a lot more than my posting would imply.
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Re: Virgin lungs and DMT, help wanted! [Re: MitchyDee]
#21033013 - 12/27/14 07:05 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Since DMT is a freebase, microtorch is the best way to vaporize it. It also makes it easier to inhale cause its not a smoke, but a vapor, if you do it right.
Your microtorch should look something like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Refillable-Butane-Micro-Torch-Gas-Torch-Lighter-Soldering-Brazing-Welding-/171402776233?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e866cea9
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Re: Virgin lungs and DMT, help wanted! [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#21033040 - 12/27/14 07:13 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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My torch does look similar to that. Do you recommend the sandwich method in a bong with a torch? If you do mean the sandwich method, would you recommend using ash or other herbs? And if so, what herbs other than the good ol' herb would you recommend?
That brings me back to my other question, do you think smoking some herbs in the week(s) leading up to my trip would help?
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Re: Virgin lungs and DMT, help wanted! [Re: MitchyDee]
#21033059 - 12/27/14 07:19 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think smoking herbs would help definitely.
And yes, use the sandwich method with ash, but i would suggest better and get a health stone (see my signature link).
As for herbs, most head shops have legal smoking blends. One brand is called "Sativa". It comes in a green bag with cool font on it. They are totally legal.
Makes sure they DONT come in a silver metallish bag or a clear plain bag. Those contain THC analogs that can be dangerous in high doses since they are legal Research Chemicals and have bad side effects!
These legal herbs are pretty harsh, but should help your lungs ( help) take in more smoke, and be better at DMT vapor. Make sure to space out your hits so you give your lungs time to recover.
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Re: Virgin lungs and DMT, help wanted! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21033105 - 12/27/14 07:33 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've always wondered; do people recommend using ash for the sandwich method because it cherries up nicely? Also thanks for the tip on the legal herbs, are they psychoactive at all? And those damn THC analogues, it seems like there are only horror stories about them.
Maybe dabbing isn't the method for me, as you get all of the vapor in one hit. I'll definitely give the bong a try! I just need to convince a friend to let me use theirs for deems. Does the smell stay long? I'd assume a good iso and rock salt wash would get it right out.
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Re: Virgin lungs and DMT, help wanted! [Re: MitchyDee]
#21033145 - 12/27/14 07:44 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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If u can afford it, get your own bong.
Once you smoke deems out of it, the deemster will leave residue inside the bong. Cleaning it out might take it off thou, not sure thou.
And the sandwiching is to prevent the DMT freebase from blowing out of the bowl while the intense output from the microtorch wants to "blow" it away from the pressure of the torch flame. Dont wanna lose your DMT powder!
As for the legal herbs, theres a light psychoactive effect. Its pretty light, but interesting and pleasant. And those THC analogs have issues, I wouldnt mess with them. Stick with weed, dont turn to those analogs. Nasty side effects. Not worth the health risks IMO.
Anyone, if possible, get a simple $20 bong or something. Its worth it in the long run.
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Re: Virgin lungs and DMT, help wanted! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21033206 - 12/27/14 07:58 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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can I use a normal jet lighter instead of a micro torch??
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Are you talking about something like this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Single-Jet-Torch-Adjustable-Lighter-Refillable-Windproof-Butane-Cigarette-Cigar-/171335955575?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e46b3477
They work too. The only thing I dont like is they are pretty unreliable and stop working usually after a couple dozen lights.
Microtorches are way better in my experience.
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Re: Virgin lungs and DMT, help wanted! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21033258 - 12/27/14 08:14 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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They do always brake from my experience after a little bit that's for sure but some people have no problems with them.
what makes the micro torch the better??
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Micro torches are better cause they dont break and work consistently. Simple as that.
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Re: Virgin lungs and DMT, help wanted! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21033554 - 12/27/14 10:10 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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The ONLY ONLY time I ever had problems with DMT vapor, is if I burned it. I've smoked it well over 300 times. I smoked DMT for a year, daily almost and sometimes multiple times a day.
I smoked with a machine(vinegar bottle) and a copper plug.
Sometimes my throat would burn. Maybe from the heat. But NEVER my lungs unless I burned it. And I used cheap lighters. The only time I really choked is if I gasped for breath and inhaled spit down the wrong pipe LOL!
I choke on big weed bong or even big weed vaporizor hits. I'm a baby. If you vape DMT right, your ability to hold your breath is your only challenge.
Feel free to PM me on the vinegar bottle machine. Its like 5$ to make. +15$ for a glass drill bit to drill the vinegar bottle. You can't burn it this way. I've tried.... A lot.
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Re: Virgin lungs and DMT, help wanted! [Re: topherchris]
#21033586 - 12/27/14 10:23 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I recommend OP look into oral dmt if they have not yet already. It could appeal to you, I personally think it is the best way to consume demetri.
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Re: Virgin lungs and DMT, help wanted! [Re: topherchris]
#21033639 - 12/27/14 10:41 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
topherchris said: The ONLY ONLY time I ever had problems with DMT vapor, is if I burned it. I've smoked it well over 300 times. I smoked DMT for a year, daily almost and sometimes multiple times a day.
I smoked with a machine(vinegar bottle) and a copper plug.
Sometimes my throat would burn. Maybe from the heat. But NEVER my lungs unless I burned it. And I used cheap lighters. The only time I really choked is if I gasped for breath and inhaled spit down the wrong pipe LOL!
I choke on big weed bong or even big weed vaporizor hits. I'm a baby. If you vape DMT right, your ability to hold your breath is your only challenge.
Feel free to PM me on the vinegar bottle machine. Its like 5$ to make. +15$ for a glass drill bit to drill the vinegar bottle. You can't burn it this way. I've tried.... A lot.
I'm the same way, even vapor hits of marijuana will make me choke. Thanks for typing out the reply, I appreciate it. Anyway, do you think it's possible that I'm burning the DMT while dabbing it? I didn't think that was possible because there is no flame. However, the residue on the nail is a dark brown (NOT black!), and does have the plastic smell of DMT.
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Edited by MitchyDee (12/27/14 11:03 PM)
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Re: Virgin lungs and DMT, help wanted! [Re: MitchyDee] 1
#21033811 - 12/28/14 12:29 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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You should try changa/enhanced leaf for a more smoother smoke experience,herbs such as mullein,peppermint,parsley and passion flower are my suggesstions
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Re: Virgin lungs and DMT, help wanted! [Re: MitchyDee]
#21034522 - 12/28/14 09:09 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
MitchyDee said: Hello shroomerites. I've come across an issue with smoking/vaping DMT and I'd like some advice. I have a huge trouble holding in dmt smoke/vapor. I don't smoke anything, and my lungs are much less conditioned than they used to be when I smoked a lot of pot. I've tried dmt out of the machine, which I believe that I smoked some of as opposed to vaporizing it all. I've also tried dabbing dmt out of an oil rig that I bought specifically for dmt.
Anyway, my question: how would you recommend I condition my lungs before my next attempt with DMT? Would smoking some herbs (not marijuana, it gives me pretty bad anxiety) for a week or so before I try with DMT be advisable?
Thanks in advance, MitchyDee
My significant other had the same issue, she couldn't hold in/toke long enough. For her, smoking weed helped train her lungs back to normal like you thought it would help, she didn't smoke in a while so she wasn't use to it. So i would say your strategy should work, it worked with my partner
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Re: Virgin lungs and DMT, help wanted! [Re: moonzo]
#21034768 - 12/28/14 10:29 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12092
Smoothest DIY freebase (works for weed aswell) vape i have used, even without a bong/waterfilter, this thing beats the machine by miles
Nowadays i just put my DMT in my commercial convection vape, together with my weed and i guess thats easily the best option no, it doesnt leave any smell or taste
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Re: Virgin lungs and DMT, help wanted! [Re: thoraxx]
#21035943 - 12/28/14 03:18 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks everyone for the input!! I think that I'll try to work with what I have and smoke some herbs for a week or so beforehand and try to dab it at a cooler temperature, with colder and more water in my rig. If this doesn't work out I'll opt for changa or the key v2, that thing looks like it'd work well.
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Re: Virgin lungs and DMT, help wanted! [Re: MitchyDee] 1
#21037448 - 12/28/14 10:21 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gently apply heat to the DMT crystals, vaporizing them is key to a smooth hit. You can easily do this with a bic lighter with proper technique. Torches, in my experience, tend to more BURNING then anything. But that is just what I have found, I've heard others swear by torches but I would recommend to conservatively apply heat with whichever route you choose.
Burning the DMT emits a rather harsh, shitty tasting smoke which can be very difficult to hold in.
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