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help me fruit
    #21032068 - 12/27/14 02:35 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

hi, im trying to fruit some pf jars, ive done many in the past but for some reason there not fruting,, i had pins in the jars, after i gave them a week to consolodate,, there rolled in verm ,  and in a tub of 5 inch deep perlite with holes drilled in tub, ive always used this tub.....  i guess my question is,, its sitting in my closet that has my 600 watt growlight growing for plants would this lower the humidity too much or will the 16 hours of direct light from light be causeing this??  i mist and fan frequently too? temps in the closet are in the 70s... thanks for any advice.....

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Re: help me fruit [Re: bakenast]
    #21032124 - 12/27/14 02:48 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Pics would help, closets are less than ideal though.


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Re: help me fruit [Re: Nooner]
    #21032147 - 12/27/14 02:54 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I would imagine that a bulb that powerful would affect the RH in the room, could be wrong, but seems like overkill to me.. I would recommend a couple 25W CFL bulbs, 6500K.


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Re: help me fruit [Re: bakenast]
    #21032161 - 12/27/14 02:58 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

You want a 10-20W 6500k CFL. 12 on, 12 off.  600 Watts is way overkill, who knows what the spectrum of that light is.  :crazy:

I can't say it enough...  Follow proven techniques to a T for good results.  You need to sort out what is good or bs information long before you attempt to grow.

Edited by TheChief (12/27/14 03:03 PM)

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Re: help me fruit [Re: TheChief]
    #21032209 - 12/27/14 03:11 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I think I remember reading something RR wrote once, was talking about the amount of light needed to initiate pinning with different lights, and when using a Metal Halide or a High Pressure Sodium (I think the ones he was using were still a lot less wattage - closer to 150 or 250 Watts) he had to keep them many feet away.. But I think it'd affect the RH even if it's maintained at 70F.

I don't know anything about lumens and mushrooms, as I do plants and lumens.. but as stated, pretty sure you're better off with a 25W CFL, just make sure to get a bulb in the right spectrum (5000K - 7200K)

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Re: help me fruit [Re: TheChief]
    #21032211 - 12/27/14 03:12 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

well, i wouldnt think the spectrum of the hps bulb would keep them from pinning,, its just the warmest area i had to use, its not im trying to overkill it with the hps, its just i use it on my plants and it keeps the area warm for my situation,, i stuck a humidifier in the closet too i guess i hope that helps idk what else it could be,,    could the uv light on the cakes for that amount of time damage the mycelium some way you think??

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Re: help me fruit [Re: Tourmaline]
    #21032222 - 12/27/14 03:14 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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I think I remember reading something RR wrote once, was talking about the amount of light needed to initiate pinning with different lights, and when using a Metal Halide or a High Pressure Sodium (I think the ones he was using were still a lot less wattage - closer to 150 or 250 Watts) he had to keep them many feet away.. But I think it'd affect the RH even if it's maintained at 70F.

I don't know anything about lumens and mushrooms, as I do plants and lumens.. but as stated, pretty sure you're better off with a 25W CFL, just make sure to get a bulb in the right spectrum (5000K - 7200K)

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good point, ill also try covering the lid block the direct light and just let the light come in the sides,,,

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Re: help me fruit [Re: Tourmaline]
    #21032239 - 12/27/14 03:20 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I think HPS puts out the correct light spectrum (although I think MH's bluish spectrum might be better), but CFL's at 6500K are pretty much perfect for growing mushrooms.

I would probably get that light swapped out, but I see your reasoning behind using it, those things will def keep temps up, what's the ambient temperature outside of the grow area??

Edit*** - I don't think (or know for sure) that the light output would damage mycelium, although as long as they're maintained at proper temps and humidity levels, should be fine... HPS is bright, but sunlight beats it by a long shot.


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Re: help me fruit [Re: Tourmaline]
    #21032260 - 12/27/14 03:27 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

outside the grow area temps are only in the lower 50's lol,, and my plants are in full flower and they need this 600 watt, i was kinda just kinda trying to complete two tasks with one light haha,  i understand its prolly not the perfect spectrum but these cakes should be pinning at least, as they were pinning in the jars that was receiveing indrrect light from the hps bulb, thanks

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Re: help me fruit [Re: Tourmaline]
    #21032328 - 12/27/14 03:54 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, still should pin... Pics of cakes/FC??


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Re: help me fruit [Re: Tourmaline]
    #21032461 - 12/27/14 04:48 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

i know my pics arent the best but heres the jist of it i got a pillow on top of my tub now blocking the direct light,, i cant get a zoom of the cakes but they just look like they did afer i rolled them,,  my tub is elevated to let air in the holes in the bottom to help the perlite make humidity








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Re: help me fruit [Re: bakenast]
    #21037148 - 12/28/14 08:54 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Doesn't look like your SGFC is built to a T. should be 1/4" (6mm) holes every 2 inches in a pattern, on all sides, top and bottom, make sure there is at least 4-5 inches of fluffed wet perlite.

How often are you misting/fanning?

*Pillow blocks the airflow at the top, which is important.. elevate it if anything. open the air holes.


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Re: help me fruit [Re: Tourmaline] * 1
    #21037228 - 12/28/14 09:22 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

sgfc should not be sitting on the ground. it needs to be elevated.

whats with the cakes? did you drop them in there from a standing height? looks like little care is being given to them :sad:

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Re: help me fruit [Re: bakenast]
    #21037358 - 12/28/14 09:55 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Your FC doesnt have enough Fresh Air Exchange (FAE).

It needs to be out in the open. And a complete 1/4" hole grid needs to be on the entire thing, top, bottom, and all four sides.

Also, it might get too hot/dry in the closet with your sweet weed plant.


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Re: help me fruit [Re: Nooner]
    #21037732 - 12/28/14 11:57 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Why are closets less than ideal with the right light?

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Re: help me fruit [Re: Nooner]
    #21037741 - 12/29/14 12:03 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Pics would help, closets are less than ideal though.



why are closets less than ideal?

sorry I missed the quote button on my previous comment.

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Re: help me fruit [Re: j.lawson15]
    #21037779 - 12/29/14 12:16 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

They don't allow for proper airflow. The SGFC works off of the natural currents in the room. It needs as much space as possible on all sides.


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Re: help me fruit [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #21038174 - 12/29/14 06:12 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

oh it is elevated its sitting on canning jar lid rings,, ya i just stuck the pillow over it to block the direct light from the hps,, ill drill some more holes in it

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Re: help me fruit [Re: bakenast]
    #21038315 - 12/29/14 07:33 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

what do you have now for holes? looks like a few 1" above the perlite. Are you going to do a few more or make it a real Shotgun?


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Re: help me fruit [Re: bakenast] * 1
    #21039015 - 12/29/14 11:15 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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oh it is elevated its sitting on canning jar lid rings,, ya i just stuck the pillow over it to block the direct light from the hps,, ill drill some more holes in it



You want it elevated higher than that.


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