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What have different drugs taught you?
    #21026961 - 12/26/14 04:50 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Hey guys!

Lets make a list of what the different drugs have taught us (good or bad).

I'll go first:

DISCLAIMER: I do not necessarily believe what they taught me, I am just saying what it appears that they were saying to me.

DMT: The universe is one. There is a universal consciousness that everything comes from. When you die you go back to this, when you are born you separate from it in order to distract yourself from the infinity of cosmic consciousness.

LSD: Didn't teach me much that I didn't already know (I started my psych use with dmt and shrooms). One thing it taught me is that sometimes its better to just let the asshole be the asshole and ride the vibe.

Shrooms: Taught me that the things I learned on DMT weren't necessarily true. It showed me that there is a universal consciousness, but there might be more to it than I thought at first.

MDMA: This one is the best. Literally the best drug ever. I fucking LOVE mdma, everyone should do it as much as they can get away with without getting brain damage. MDMA taught me that I am a better person than I sometimes get down on myself for and that if you just talk to people you can meet a lot of great people and have a lot of great interactions. It also taught me that life isn't as bad as you think it is sometimes. Mostly this drug taught me how to be myself better and not be so self conscious. This drug also taught me that drugs can fuck you up if you use them too much, so you really gotta be careful. It teaches moderation because if you fuck around to much you can ruin it for a little while. As much as i'd love to just do it all teh time, it's not very sustainable. I'm sure this applies to other drugs too, but this is the first one i've experienced it with.

MXE: That delusions are possible, and dimension jumping might also be.

Pot: How to listen to music, play music, and appreciate art better.

Opiates: Nothing, these are purely for hedonism.

Cocaine: I came up with some pretty cool ideas for research in my school because of this stuff. Cocaine makes you a faster thinker, but it seems really bad for you so i don't do it.

Amps: Like cocaine, but less useful for scholastic endeavours (despite what most ppl told me).

DOC: That all psychedelics don't have something to teach you. Some are just eye candy that lasts too long.


I guess the main drugs taht taught me anything are DMT, MDMA, Shrooms, and LSD (in that order). I think maybe if I take a huge LSD dose this could change, but for now that's the way I see it. What do you people think about it?

Also: Comment on the persons opinions who posted above you to keep it interesting. The threads where its just people talking about themselves without any interaction can get pretty boring and don't generate discussion.

Edited by underfliptown (12/26/14 05:01 AM)

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Re: What have different drugs taught you? [Re: underfliptown] * 1
    #21026975 - 12/26/14 05:02 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Acid and mushrooms taught me that everyone should unite in a big ball of love and transcend the universe to become one universal hippy conscious.

Weed taught me that the earlier lesson was delusional and to get off any drugs I couldn't handle.

And I have had no memorable insights while on any other drug.

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Re: What have different drugs taught you? [Re: Webster10]
    #21026976 - 12/26/14 05:03 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

What do you mean "couldn't handle"?

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Re: What have different drugs taught you? [Re: underfliptown]
    #21026979 - 12/26/14 05:06 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Believe :shrug:

It was hard to discern delusion/paranoia from reality. That all stopped about a week after I stopped using psyches.


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Re: What have different drugs taught you? [Re: Webster10]
    #21026981 - 12/26/14 05:09 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

You just gotta learn to interpret the experience man. This is why I think people who study religion are better at psychs. They are better at interpreting the different motifs of the transcendental experience, which is hugely applicable to the psychedelic experience.

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Re: What have different drugs taught you? [Re: underfliptown]
    #21026987 - 12/26/14 05:17 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Im not saying that religion is right by any means, all I am saying is that if you can take teh overall good message out of religion while avoiding getting sucked into teh bullshit, then you can probably learn a lot from psychs.

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Re: What have different drugs taught you? [Re: underfliptown]
    #21026996 - 12/26/14 05:26 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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You just gotta learn to interpret the experience man. This is why I think people who study religion are better at psychs. They are better at interpreting the different motifs of the transcendental experience, which is hugely applicable to the psychedelic experience.



I have read the bible and see no way it would make me better at interpreting psychedelic knowledge. Psychedelics make me very conscious of another's feelings. And I for some reason thought a joke was a veiled way of saying what you feel. So for months while taking psyches I didn't joke(lightly tease) with anyone I wasn't comfortable with. Needless to say I became a hack real fast. I quit and that delusion cleared right up. I maintain the position psychedelics teach you no more or no less than any other substance, including not only drugs, but anything, such as an apple.

You are just the reaction to the select few sensory inputs that your brain relayed to your conscious.

Eating a tab of acid might change what sensory inputs are relayed and it may have an effect on you that way but it is no magical guru drug at all.


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Re: What have different drugs taught you? [Re: underfliptown] * 5
    #21026998 - 12/26/14 05:29 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

All drugs taught me to do less of said drugs.

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Re: What have different drugs taught you? [Re: Mike_yy]
    #21027011 - 12/26/14 05:54 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Shrooms taught me that remorse is an illusion, and that dispite all negativity I am who I am in spite of it. Without pain I cannot see serenity.

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Re: What have different drugs taught you? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21027034 - 12/26/14 06:17 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I personally don't think drugs teach you anything
If you come up with an idea whilst tripping or high
the drug is no more responsible than the bathroom is
when you come up with an idea in the shower.

If coming up with ideas is kinda like playing a slot machine
the most I'll concede is different states of mind
are like playing different slot machines
but it is still the same game in the end.


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Re: What have different drugs taught you? [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #21027075 - 12/26/14 07:22 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

mushrooms- taught me about myself
lsd- that I am awesome
mdpv- addiction is a bitch
opiates- that nothing good comes from them

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Re: What have different drugs taught you? [Re: luvdemboomers] * 1
    #21027085 - 12/26/14 07:28 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Hmm well meth taught me that when a man stays up for 3 days on end he will start to go a bit bonkers


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Re: What have different drugs taught you? [Re: Webster10]
    #21027090 - 12/26/14 07:31 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

They're just tools man.  You're looking too far into this, and it's funny to me that psychedelics make you uncomfortable with the part of you that knows we are one. 

You're an interesting guy webster10 and although I don't agree with ya maybe you're right.  Although I gotta say, taken with intention and with a solid core of meditation and how to work your mind psychedelics can definitely open up doors.  Your thesis on those little chems is much too narrow.


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Re: What have different drugs taught you? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21027200 - 12/26/14 09:03 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

lsd showed me the path that i'm meant to take, taught me how to love, and elevated my consciousness to another level.  by far one of my favorite things to experience in this world.

dmt, shrooms, and mescaline pretty much taught me similar things throughout a bunch of experiences.  although mescaline focused more on my anxiety and worry, shrooms taught me to let go, and dmt showed me what else is out there.

mdma/mda showed me soooo much.  these drugs are compassionate and love drugs, especially mda.  mdma helped me to stop eating meat and mda helped me to open up to others and myself, mdma did that too but less than mda.

opiates and benzos showed me A LOT about myself.  they showed me my dark side and opened my eyes to the core of my desires.  if it weren't for heroin, i would not be as developed as i am in my personal evolution.


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Re: What have different drugs taught you? [Re: underfliptown] * 1
    #21027201 - 12/26/14 09:03 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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underfliptown said:
Hey guys!

Lets make a list of what the different drugs have taught us (good or bad).







drugs havent taught me a damn thing, they're drugs, not people, not books and
not an education. if you're 'learning' from drugs then you may need to start
attending a new school

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Re: What have different drugs taught you? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 4
    #21027217 - 12/26/14 09:12 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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underfliptown said:
Hey guys!

Lets make a list of what the different drugs have taught us (good or bad).







drugs havent taught me a damn thing, they're drugs, not people, not books and
not an education. if you're 'learning' from drugs then you may need to start
attending a new school





I'm pretty dumbfounded that a moderator on the shroomery would make a statement like this.

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Re: What have different drugs taught you? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21027393 - 12/26/14 10:19 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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They're just tools man.  You're looking too far into this, and it's funny to me that psychedelics make you uncomfortable with the part of you that knows we are one. 

You're an interesting guy webster10 and although I don't agree with ya maybe you're right.  Although I gotta say, taken with intention and with a solid core of meditation and how to work your mind psychedelics can definitely open up doors.  Your thesis on those little chems is much too narrow.



I've heard responses like this many times in the past.

No part of me knows that we are all one.

All of me would like to ask you some questions.

As in we, are you referring to the entire humane race?
As in one, are you referring to a biological classification, and a sense of comradery because of this biological classification?

Because in that case, I would just like to say that some people don't experience the sense of camaraderie just based on biological similarity.

Of course, for all humans, I have an innate sense of empathy, but some people just don't deserve to be my comrade. As a human, I have a low bar for people who I wish harm onto, but some people, by doing horrible things, deserve harm to prevent other, innocent people, from being harmed.

The way I look at meditation is simple. The purpose of meditation is to put oneself into a relaxed state, is it not?

Now, for this next part, let me explain something to you. As a human, one's brain constantly works on two levels. We all have a two track mind. System one, the unconscious, processor-like, part of our brains receive all of the information(sensory inputs) that our sensory neurons provide to it. System one, using your past experiences as a reference of what is most important to you, decides which particular pieces of inputs to relay to system two, the conscious part of your brain. System two, well, is you. It is the conscious thoughts and feelings that everyone can actually experience. System 2 is a reaction to what system 1 decides to tell it.

Back to the way I look at meditation. So in this relaxed state, your system 1 is receiving much less stimulating sensory input than you would be when doing any day to day activity. This frees up system 1 to prioritize particular inputs higher than they normally would be if you were doing a more stimulating activity. This provides system two, in other words, you, with information that would have never been available to you otherwise. You now are receiving what are colloquially called, "insights."

However, the story changes if you introduce a psychedelic into this relaxed state. Psychedelic drugs influence the prioritization of sensory input from system 1 to system 2 in an odd way. First, you must understand that LSD works in the way of imitating certain neurotransmitters throughout the entire brain. Essentially, neurotransmitters are chemicals that relay certain information. Neurotransmitters bind to receptors to tell another part of the brain that the certain information was exchanged. System 1 knows system 2 has received the information because upon binding, the receptor lets off an electrical signal that system 1 senses.

So what the hell does that have to do with psychedelics, right? Well, the key neurotransmitter psychedelics imitate is serotonin. But the funny thing about most psychedelics, is that they are better than activating serotonin receptors than serotonin itself. The information that serotonin usually relays to receptors is information that pertains to mood, and it has also been linked to vision. Well, this flood of information causes system 1 to relay very unusual inputs that it regularly would skip right over. And since system 2 is reacting to so much information it would normally never receive, it forces system 2 and system 1 to start interacting in a way it normally never would. Different areas of system 1 start relaying different neurotransmitters than they normally would to different areas of system 2.

This madness within the brain, coupled with a state of already receiving unusual sensory input caused by meditation, could easily warrant a very strange response from system 2. And it does, you see it, I see it, all drugs users see it, all of the time. One could make the argument that it would be beneficial to let system 2 react to and learn from the temporary madness that was caused by psychedelics messing with system 1. I would agree and say tripping for a while did seem like it was teaching me new things and opening me to a whole new world(I can just imagine myself as a sexy farm girl walking into Manhattan), but even after my first experience with psychedelics, I could see that the psychedelic experience brought just as much horse shit with it as it did useful information. I learned what I could but eventually I stopped learning new things. Continuously making the brain go haywire can only offer so much useful information. Every trip was just a reinforcement of what I had already learned, but the horse shit just kept on coming, and it was getting weirder and weirder, like one time a God told me to go to Antwerp to find an artifact. I soon realized any further use of psychedelics was not for the useful information that they had helped me learn, but rather the feels good quality of my serotonin receptors being activated. This is why I am a firm believer in that "once you get the message, hang the phone up" saying or whatever it was.

I just think system 1 has been doing what system 1 has been doing for hundreds of thousands of years and it does a pretty good job of it. Messing with it for short periods of times as a learning tool could arguably be beneficial but in my opinion, after a few times, saying "I'm using it as a learning tool" is just a justification for getting high.


I think your thesis on these chems is a rather uninformed one and some explaining of your thesis rather a critic of mine would be cool.


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Re: What have different drugs taught you? [Re: luvdemboomers] * 3
    #21027494 - 12/26/14 10:52 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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underfliptown said:
Hey guys!

Lets make a list of what the different drugs have taught us (good or bad).







drugs havent taught me a damn thing, they're drugs, not people, not books and
not an education. if you're 'learning' from drugs then you may need to start
attending a new school





I'm pretty dumbfounded that a moderator on the shroomery would make a statement like this.





what exactly should I be learning from drugs? patience, respect, tolerance?
these arent things you'll learn from drugs, maybe you dose up on LSD or
shrooms and suddenly realize you've been an asshole because you looked down
on others, a state that only changes to a douchebag of assholes because
after use you decide you're enlightened and look down on others that dont
believe as you since you're no a free thinker and everyone else needs to be
a free thinker that thinks just like you

so tell us then, how many of the enlightened druggies here are tolerant of
the beliefs of others, isnt that one of the many things people are supposed
to get from psychedelics, seems that most here have no tolerance for
bigotry, unless it's their own bigotry against the religious beliefs or the
types of people they dont like such as christians or conservatives, do you
respect the beliefs of racists. underfliptown said that DMT and  mushrooms
taught him of a universal consciousness and that he learned that
dimensional jumping may be possible.... yet we know that these many
dimensions are a construct of the mind, that the mind while in an
intoxicated state can in fact concoct many fantastic things that simply
cannot be such as a universal consciousness these are the very constructs
of the religions that the  enlightened druggies bash with so much veracity

maybe drugs taught a lot of people how to be bigger assholes, to be less
tolerant, to say things such as "I cant believe that a shroomery mod would
hold these kinds of views" because apparently when you use a drug you
should be a nonthinking hive mind creature that believes in mysticism and
other nonsense while insisting that you're a free thinker

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Re: What have different drugs taught you? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21027843 - 12/26/14 12:26 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

If you're not learning anything then maybe you already knew that kind of stuff. That's fair enough. But for me i've definitely learned things about myself. To each their own I guess. I don't see why you have to be so sure of your opinion being the only right one though.

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Re: What have different drugs taught you? [Re: underfliptown]
    #21027854 - 12/26/14 12:29 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

If anything, some drugs are an easy and sometimes unintentional conduit to the creative part of your brain.  Some people handle that differently than others.  Some people delude themselves into believing that the creativity they're experiencing is actually something else, like your so-called enlightenment or whatever.  People perceive the overload of serotonin as some kind of religious or spiritual experience but they're actually just projecting their own overinflated egos into an interpretation of the chemical reactions going on inside their brains.

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