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Temporary schizophrenia during an intense trip?
    #21022743 - 12/24/14 08:40 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

During my last trip (oral dmt), I think I experienced what it is like to be schizophrenic. I say this mostly because I was hearing voices...  There were about 3 different voices constantly commenting on whatever I was trying (trying) to think about and also commenting about irrelevant things. They were all very short and stupid thoughts. I could tell these voices were all extremely stupid and had a IQ of like 60. There was lots of laughing and squealing. The voices were all highly warped and highly pitch modulated version of my own voice, which would waver up in down in tone and volume. The voices were kind of like clowns, cartoon characters, the way someone talks to a dog, or a crazy guy opening up a comedy show. It was exactly how I would expect a really crazy guy to speak, or how I would expect someone to imitate a crazy guy. I was imaging a guy on a comedy stage doing this imitation. He had a cane and a hat. I tried to remember who this guy was and what comedy show or cartoon this was from. Then I realized that this guy doesn't exist and he is actually me and how -I- imitate crazy people - this is some deep dark part of my mind. I couldn't visualize him without his hat constantly warping in shape as he spoke, becoming tall/thin during a high pitch, and short/fat during a low pitch.

I wasn't trying to imagine these things. My mind was doing them on it's own. My imagination had been hijacked. My whole thought process had been hijacked. I couldn't think straight anymore, and had to rethink things over and over 100 times before I could take any action based on my thoughts. This was really scary, because I've never experienced this before. In all of my years of taking psychedelics I have always been in complete control and always able to hold a crisp, clear, and rational inner dialogue. Finally, this one time that broke. I was terrified that I had done something wrong, gone too far, and permanently damaged my brain. I couldn't imagine that in just an hour or two the voices would be gone and I could think normally again. I was thinking that this was my new permanent thought process - how am I going to integrate this into my life? - will I be able to do my job? - how am I going to tell my parents that I am now insane? Then in 1 hour just like that, it was all gone. The voices were gone and my thought process was completely back to normal.

Did I just experience schizophrenia? Is this something normal to happen during an intense trip? - Perhaps when your mind is such dis-order, it is normal to experience something similar to an actual mental disorder? Has anyone else experienced this? Or is this abnormal? Does this mean that I actually have a latent mental disorder? Should I give up psychedelics (or high doses at least)?


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Re: Temporary schizophrenia during an intense trip? [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
    #21022768 - 12/24/14 08:45 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Naw, i've experienced the voices before too on Ayahuasca, apparently from what people say it's just part of the experience sometimes. I myself haven't quite wrapped my head around what happens when i hear the voices, or much less why, because like you said sometimes they say stupid goofy things or don't even make clear as to what they said or how i'm supposed to respond. They say it's kinda like a telepathic voice, could be from multiple entities or so the story goes. One time i encountered and heard/interacted with Mother Ayahuasca. One time i heard a voice telling me to "drop it like it's hot". So i'm not sure what this all means, but as far as i know, the voices are normal for people and are not related to psychosis or schizophrenia.


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Re: Temporary schizophrenia during an intense trip? [Re: Sabnock]
    #21022807 - 12/24/14 08:52 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

The scariest part was that: Not only were there other voices, but my own conscious thought process was one of the voices. I couldn't match it back to my normal inner voice no matter how hard I tried. I couldn't think.


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Re: Temporary schizophrenia during an intense trip? [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
    #21022850 - 12/24/14 09:04 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah when you have too much DMT, things can go weird or even scary, but don't worry about it, once you're back down, you're back down. Just back the dose down a tad and things should be a bit clearer.


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Re: Temporary schizophrenia during an intense trip? [Re: Sabnock]
    #21022918 - 12/24/14 09:17 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

how much did you dose???
What was your mao??

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Re: Temporary schizophrenia during an intense trip? [Re: Amorphouspattern]
    #21022936 - 12/24/14 09:20 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Well i usually use about 8 grams of Mimosa in tea, or 9 to 10 grams of Acacia in tea.

I use Syrian Rue for my MAO-inhibition, in the form of the freebased full spectrum extract at about 180mgs to 200mgs. But i've also used Moclobemide and will soon try out Caapi.


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Re: Temporary schizophrenia during an intense trip? [Re: Sabnock]
    #21022975 - 12/24/14 09:30 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I plan on using 5 gram acacia confusa root bark and 4 gram Syrian rue.

i have never done DMT what do you suggest a first time dose should be???
I don't want to trip very hard first time.

Do you diet before you use MAO??

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Re: Temporary schizophrenia during an intense trip? [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
    #21022980 - 12/24/14 09:30 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Did I just experience schizophrenia? Is this something normal to happen during an intense trip? - Perhaps when your mind is such dis-order, it is normal to experience something similar to an actual mental disorder? Has anyone else experienced this? Or is this abnormal? Does this mean that I actually have a latent mental disorder? Should I give up psychedelics (or high doses at least)?




No.  Schizophrenia is hell on earth, nothing like just hearing voices.  I've hallucinated voices often enough, but I've also been schizophrenic for most of a year a long time ago thanks to a brain concussion.  It was like having no control over events in reality, but at the same time being able both to predict what would happen and actually influence them.  I talked to plants, and they talked back.  I became convinced that there was a vast conspiracy centered around my life, and that much of the control aspect of that was conducted through popular music.  That was bad enough, but coincidences multiplied easily during times of stress and strange things would happen.  Other people noticed these things happening and began to mistrust me as their source.  I had to drop out of college in the last half of my senior year as a result. Sucky time.  Mushrooms actually healed a great deal of that damage for me.

There's also no evidence for psychedelics mimicking schizophrenia, although urban legend still maintains that. :shrug:

What you describe is a pretty normal trip for some people.  Perhaps it's a breakthrough experience, undermining your control?


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Re: Temporary schizophrenia during an intense trip? [Re: Amorphouspattern]
    #21023051 - 12/24/14 09:47 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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how much did you dose???
What was your mao??



225g-fresh of Cielo Caapi followed by 40g-dried of Chakruna Tarapoto, 45 minutes later. The delay causes it to hit about twice as hard.

I did not mean for this to be a ayahuasca specific thread and anyone who has had this experience with lsd or shrooms is welcome to comment.

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Do you diet before you use MAO??



Yes. I stop drugs one week prior and do the food restrictions for two days prior.


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Re: Temporary schizophrenia during an intense trip? [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
    #21023063 - 12/24/14 09:52 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Amorphouspattern said:
how much did you dose???
What was your mao??



225g-fresh of Cielo Caapi followed by 40g-dried of Chakruna Tarapoto, 45 minutes later. The delay causes it to hit about twice as hard.

I did not mean for this to be a ayahuasca specific thread and anyone who has had this experience with lsd or shrooms is welcome to comment.

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Do you diet before you use MAO??



Yes. I stop drugs one week prior and do the food restrictions for two days prior.




Alost of people saying you don't need to diet a lot saying you do, its confusing.

One time when i was younger and uber relaxed in what i would call an unintentional meditative state i was stoned zoning out and heard two voices talking to each other then one of them saying "Shh hes awake"

I always till this day think its my subconscious or something.

Only experienced myself looking at my thoughts like they wernt mine while tripping ..like de personalisation

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Re: Temporary schizophrenia during an intense trip? [Re: Amorphouspattern]
    #21023083 - 12/24/14 09:58 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I think the diet is much more important before the trip than after the trip because I don't want the bad interactions happening WHILE I'm tripping and also because the half life of harmalas is only 1-3 hours.

I have another thread going on about this right now here:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21022656


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Re: Temporary schizophrenia during an intense trip? [Re: Amorphouspattern]
    #21023084 - 12/24/14 09:59 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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I plan on using 5 gram acacia confusa root bark and 4 gram Syrian rue.

i have never done DMT what do you suggest a first time dose should be???
I don't want to trip very hard first time.

Do you diet before you use MAO??




5 grams might be a good place to start, but i'd go with maybe 6 or 8 grams. To be honest, i myself just fix a tea of 10 grams, or a little more, and sip on it until i'm where i want to be, that way you can stop sipping if you're good and not push yourself too far out there. Whereas taking the DMT/Acacia all at once or drinking it down fast, might lead to more than one can handle. My advice, if you're working with Acacia teas, sip on em', don't drink em'. I mix my Acacia tea doses in with 4 grams of Lemon Balm tea with some sugar, and the taste isn't horrible or anything.

4 grams of Rue sounds spot on, it's what i started out with back in 2012, was definitely enough to get the job done, though these days i kinda prefer to stay around the 3 to 3.5 gram range because 4 grams makes me purge nearly every time.

As for dieting, nope, never have and probably never will, i don't see the point in it really. Only thing diet wise i do is steer clear of raw onions and jalapeno peppers/salsa. Raw onions definitely do something that reacts undesirably with Ayahuasca, though it's not a negative reaction, just undesirable, seems like a constriction of sorts, i get body aches, neck stiffness, stuff like that. But i try not to eat for at least 4 hours, 6 hours tops before taking Ayahuasca, but that's mainly to get around my digestive issues (the Rue extract capsules are finicky about kicking in properly sometimes). But here lately i've noticed i can eat a light meal a couple hours before drinking Rue extract tea and it kicks in just fine. And btw, i've never had a hypertensive crisis, though i've noticed the adrenaline that DMT can release and the headaches RIMA's can sometimes cause, are sometimes mistaken as symptoms of hypertensive crisis due to tyramine, but the science is in on the whole tyramine thing and there's really no worries with Ayahuasca or Moclobemide when it comes to tyramine.


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Re: Temporary schizophrenia during an intense trip? [Re: Sabnock]
    #21023107 - 12/24/14 10:04 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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And btw, i've never had a hypertensive crisis, though i've noticed the adrenaline that DMT can release and the headaches RIMA's can sometimes cause, are sometimes mistaken as symptoms of hypertensive crisis due to tyramine,



This is exactly what happened to me during the same trip I'm talking about here.  I was measuring my blood pressure during the trip and it went all the way up to 170/100. I was scared that even if I wasn't going crazy, I might have a serious cardiac problem and die from the blood pressure. This leaves me not wanting to do higher trips because that might actually happen.


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Re: Temporary schizophrenia during an intense trip? [Re: Sabnock]
    #21023124 - 12/24/14 10:09 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the info I might only dose 3.5 Rue

if I was to make a tea and i used a tea spoon of vinegar or 1 lemon how long would it be necessary to boil the acacia and rue(separately) ??

I was thinking of just eating/swallow crushed Syrian rue and eating/swallow the acacia 5 g tonight.
Or would you highly recommend making a tea for nauseous reasons??

I hope not to go schizo just testing the water

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Re: Temporary schizophrenia during an intense trip? [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
    #21023134 - 12/24/14 10:12 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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And btw, i've never had a hypertensive crisis, though i've noticed the adrenaline that DMT can release and the headaches RIMA's can sometimes cause, are sometimes mistaken as symptoms of hypertensive crisis due to tyramine,



This is exactly what happened to me during the same trip I'm talking about here.  I was measuring my blood pressure during the trip and it went all the way up to 170/100. I was scared that even if I wasn't going crazy, I might have a serious cardiac problem and die from the blood pressure. This leaves me not wanting to do higher trips because that might actually happen.




Yeah, i don't like the adrenaline aspect, gets me feeling on-edge, my heart rate goes up, blood pressure goes up, i get that terror/dread and become scared or freaked out. I tell ya, the worst feeling is having that happen, and starting to have heart palpitations or chest pains, as i've experienced in the past a couple times due to taking Magnesium Oxide and Zinc Gluconate hours earlier before the Ayahuasca. Zinc Gluconate does some weird shit with DMT, it creates this extremely loud, vibratory and freaky noise and vibration in my head, i don't like it. As for the Magnesium Oxide, it's for some reason always given me heart palpitations, and when i had combined both the Zinc and Magnesium and taken Ayahuasca, i was having chest pains, heart palpatations and that weird noise/vibration, it freaked me out, stopped taking the supplements and all has been like usual. So yeah, some things do effect the Ayahuasca experience, it's just best to be cautious, careful and safe.


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Re: Temporary schizophrenia during an intense trip? [Re: Amorphouspattern]
    #21023135 - 12/24/14 10:12 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

You won't go schizo 'cause it ain't like that (see above post). :lol:

But watch your hydration, lack of same leads to all kinds of weird shit with tryptamines IME.


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Re: Temporary schizophrenia during an intense trip? [Re: Amorphouspattern]
    #21023151 - 12/24/14 10:15 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Go for longer brews and as little acid as possible. The acid is a big part of what makes you naeusous and purge and what makes the brew nasty. I think vinegar is even on the tyramine interaction list. Get a litmus strip and aim for your water to be a pH of 4.5. That's just a few drops of vinegar for each pint of water.  For my brews, I do three boils of 4-6 hours each.


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Re: Temporary schizophrenia during an intense trip? [Re: Amorphouspattern]
    #21023164 - 12/24/14 10:18 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Thanks for the info I might only dose 3.5 Rue

if I was to make a tea and i used a tea spoon of vinegar or 1 lemon how long would it be necessary to boil the acacia and rue(separately) ??

I was thinking of just eating/swallow crushed Syrian rue and eating/swallow the acacia 5 g tonight.
Or would you highly recommend making a tea for nauseous reasons??

I hope not to go schizo just testing the water




In my opinion, the acidity just makes the stuff taste a lot more, makes the taste stronger so it's hard to mask it via flavoring. I myself use 100 grams or more of Acacia per tea and do about 6 boils on it, but for 5 grams you could probably just do one or two 30 to 45 minute boils on it and it should be fine. If it's powdered root you maybe able to get everything from just one boil. In my experience acidity doesn't really do much to pull more goodies, regular ol' water does just fine. And the same goes for Rue too but for 3.5 to 4 grams a single 30 to 45 minute boil i'm thinking would be plenty.

You can indeed just encapsulate the ground Rue seed and powdered Acacia bark, and it works a lot better than the teas in my experience, but also makes the purge rougher when you're throwing up chunks of seed and root, and the tannins in the Acacia seem to dehydrate people so you might get a dry mouth, just drink some water if you do and you'll be fine.

In my opinion though, teas and extract are the way to go, but if i could go back to my Mimosa root capsule days and still stomach it, i'd totally do it. That's how i did it all of 2012, it was amazing. These days though, i just can't stomach those root capsules or even the Rue seed capsules.


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Re: Temporary schizophrenia during an intense trip? [Re: Sabnock]
    #21023173 - 12/24/14 10:20 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

In my brews, including the one in my OP, there is no purge at all. A huge part of this is using as little acid as possible. Also, egg white tannin removal helps.


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Re: Temporary schizophrenia during an intense trip? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #21023179 - 12/24/14 10:22 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

That's intense sabnock fuck that..

Primalsoup I ask because you guys may be super experienced with AYA totally chill with flying around in space ships with elves talking to insect gods... I wish to ease into these experiences before diving in just lightly tripping on 5 G's

EDIT: I didn't see your post for some reason.

My acacia Is powdered might just eat it try it out :smile:
Thanks for the info guys and sorry to hijack this thread

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