Alan Rockefeller said:

Could P. hispanica be conspecific with P. semilanceata?

The ITS sequences are just one base pair different, and it's just that one A turned into two A's near the beginning of the sequence, which is likely not even a real difference.

Perhaps they found P. semilanceata on horse dung and thought it was something new because of the unusual substrate.  But horse dung is really just chewed up grass, so it's not that much of a leap - and P. semilanceata is found in the area.

The LSU sequences of the two species are identical.

I am having trouble finding the original species description, which was published in "Docums Mycol. 29(no. 116): 42 (2000)".  Docums Mycol. is short for Les Documents Mycologiques.

Here's a photo of the holotype:  http://mushroomobserver.org/241329

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      I never saw Psilocybe semilanceata fruiting directly from cow patties or horse droppings.

      The Psilocybe hispanica strain I am working with does not look like Psilocybe semilanceata.

      It is easy to grow compared to Psilocybe semilanceata, a casing layer is not necessary. It is a cold weather species like Psilocybe semilanceata,
      fruiting between 40 and 60 F and the potency is definitely equal to Psilocybe semilanceata.

      But is the species I am working with really Psilocybe hispanica?

      And was the material used for DNA sequencing really Psilocybe hispanica?  Where did the material come from?  This is all very confusing.

Mateo said:

I saw pictures of a whole cluster P.Semilanceata fruiting directly from some animal poo.
It was a thread about it in a swedish forum back in 2012.
And it was Psilocybe semilanceata, im 100% sure of it having picked thousands of them.
We thought it was odd it fruiting directly on the poo like that.

In fact i have always thought P.Semilanceata has some connection to dung.
Where they grow in suburb areas over here they tend to grow grass lawns who has been newly laid out or grass lawn sown previous year.
Then they grow on these for a few years with declining numbers.
Just if they use up the nutrients or fertilizers in the soil.
And they always use animal poo of some sort as a fertilizer.
So P.Semilanceata is probably a dung lover, at least partially.

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Mateo said:

How much must a mushroom change/evolve to be considered a new one?

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Mateo said:

So if for example a mycel of say Psilocybe Cubensis variation Maztapec were grown on the same agarplate as Psilocybe Cubensis variation Golden teacher, the two would not form a barrier when they meet and mix smoothly as both are Psilocybe Cubensis?

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Sporulator said:

Mateo said:

So if for example a mycel of say Psilocybe Cubensis variation Maztapec were grown on the same agarplate as Psilocybe Cubensis variation Golden teacher, the two would not form a barrier when they meet and mix smoothly as both are Psilocybe Cubensis?

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      Yes.

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Spores have absolutely no idea a human wrote a name on their syringe.
If they're the same species that's all they care about. And mating type

Mateo said:

How much must a mushroom change/evolve to be considered a new one?

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bodhisatta said:

Just an unrelated anecdote for anyone interested
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brassica_oleracea

broccoli, cauliflower, kale, Romanesco, Rapini, Brussels sprouts, collard greens, savoy, kohlrabi, and gai lan.
Are all the exact same species.
And all so very different. There's some you probably love and some you hate on that list.

Canines are like this too. There's obvious and vast difference between breeds

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MushroomOfLife said:

Sorry to revisit an old thread, but Kale is the spawn of the devil!

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Workman said:

Outdoor cultivated Psilocybe hispanica.  This species is relatively easy to grow on sterilized horse manure placed outside during cool fall weather (around 60F).  A relatively newly described species from Spain.  In Spain it grows directly on sheep dung in fields that also support fruitings of Psilocybe semilanceata








Very small specimens growing from a displaced piece of colonized horse dung.  Rodents or birds dug into the patch and scattered small pieces of dung that later fruited.  It is interesting to note the reduced size of the mushrooms when growing from very small amounts of substrate.



This is a larger specimen from the main patch.  Still a relatively small mushroom.  The odor is very similar to Psilocybe semilanceata and the appearance reminds me of Psilocybe mexicana   

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I hope this puts a smile on your face workman wherever you are  =)

P. hispanica as a fun little cake




your teachings live on



always your student,

sara




ps.

hi everyone

saralove said:

Workman said:

Outdoor cultivated Psilocybe hispanica.  This species is relatively easy to grow on sterilized horse manure placed outside during cool fall weather (around 60F).  A relatively newly described species from Spain.  In Spain it grows directly on sheep dung in fields that also support fruitings of Psilocybe semilanceata








Very small specimens growing from a displaced piece of colonized horse dung.  Rodents or birds dug into the patch and scattered small pieces of dung that later fruited.  It is interesting to note the reduced size of the mushrooms when growing from very small amounts of substrate.



This is a larger specimen from the main patch.  Still a relatively small mushroom.  The odor is very similar to Psilocybe semilanceata and the appearance reminds me of Psilocybe mexicana   

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I hope this puts a smile on your face workman wherever you are  =)

P. hispanica as a fun little cake




your teachings live on



always your student,

sara




ps.

hi everyone

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V.L said:

Yes maybe they are conspecific with fimetaria (I don’t think with semilanceata) I hope Alan will receive the prints and could give the final answer with genome sequencing.. personally really love how they look! hispanica or even if it’s same with fimetaria.. do you or someone have a fimetaria prints? so I can work also on it to try to do a comparative grow. And does anyone know a bit more about hispanica/fimetaria usual potency?

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inski said:

I think Psilocybe alutacea should be included in these comparisons.

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Another potential candidate for P.fimetaria!

Baba Yaga said:

Hey just popping by to post some photos of a few fruits from this years semilanceata grow.
I will send these away for sequencing soon and will post the result.

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funkymonk22 said:

i grew p hispanica in monotubs in a cold room this winter..temps were about 50-60F.  one of the easiest and most prolific species i have grown..


not sure about potency yet, havent had the time to try em

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Alan Rockefeller said:

Baba Yaga said:

Hey just popping by to post some photos of a few fruits from this years semilanceata grow.
I will send these away for sequencing soon and will post the result.

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Very cool!  When you get data PM me if you want to do a quick zoom call - I can share my screen show you how I analyze sequence data using free tools and put it into Genbank.

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So I'm going to tell VL that he should send you another sample, I told him how my tamp sample was misplaced as well.  I want you to do that for me man, I've been dying to know for over a year now~!  I know your in GA right now and have been busy doing conventions!

I'll private message you but I'm putting this part here so you have a responsibility