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Offlinebirthdaysuit

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Weed has caused me psychological problems!!
    #21017562 - 12/23/14 03:03 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Weed effects everyone differently and can be a savior drug for some.

I am 20 years old and was introduced to cannabis a half a year ago. My first trip was an amazing, amusing and enjoyable experience. I have never had a anxiety or panic attack whilst smoking weed. The only negative effects I experienced while high on cannabis were weird, reoccurring thoughts.  I continued to smoke cannabis sporadically until September, 2014 when I had to go back to college.

From September to November I experienced derealization, depersonalization as well as severe anxiety and slight depression. I felt markedly introverted and self-conscious in large crowds more so than I have ever felt before. My mind felt muddled, slow and dumb downed, almost like I had a mild pressure headache. This was all after I ceased the use of cannabis.

One evening, when I had to watch my sister play volleyball in a loud and crowded environment, I felt this feeling of separateness, my vision became cloudy and colors became dull. My body was sweating and I had to leave the building as the feeling was too overwhelming.

From this occurrence on, I felt that my life was uninteresting and dull. I would often stare at objects for long periods of time, usually when others were talking to me. I felt as if I had lost my personality. I often wanted to go to a neurologist to see what was wrong with my brain.

I find it odd that this mild psychedelic could effect me in such a negative way. In early December I ate 2.5grams of cube mushrooms. I had little to no negative effects. I felt revitalized and the trip impacted me in a spiritual way. Yes, I had some tough moments while on the peak of the trip, like the feeling of loneliness and that I wasn’t the best of persons but in the end I learned from those tough experiences. I am a very pessimistic person, I like to refer to myself as a realist but I believe that this thinking process has spiraled me into this gloomy state as well as caused me some bad experiences whilst taking mushrooms.

I will be taking an eighth of cube mushrooms at one of my best friends house this coming week. It will be outside in nature with little to no distractions.

How will this trip fare with my other 2.5g trip?

I’m asking this question because I took mushrooms with 4 of my other friends in a very populated area. We walked into a candy store, which was a very overwhelming experience as I felt that I wanted to explode with my inner childlessness. I had to act like a normal human being which was hard and overwhelming when you are tripping. That is why I want to know what the experience will be like taking a larger dose but in a more tame environment.

Also any input coping with derealization and depersonalization would greatly be appreciated.

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Re: Weed has caused me psychological problems!! [Re: birthdaysuit]
    #21017626 - 12/23/14 03:21 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I have looked into the neuropharmacological profile of cannabis and it does fuck with glutamate as well as decreases GABA -neurotransmitter. Shrooms does not do this. I’m probably wrong though.


Nora Laaris et. al., "Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol is a full agonist at CB1 receptors on GABA neuron axon terminals in the hippocampus." Neuropharmacology, Vol. 59, No. 1-2, 121-127. 2010.[

A. Hoffman, "Mechanisms of Cannabinoid Inhibition of GABA-A Synaptic Transmission in the Hippocampus." J. Neurosci., 20(7):2470-2479. 2000.

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Re: Weed has caused me psychological problems!! [Re: birthdaysuit] * 1
    #21017644 - 12/23/14 03:27 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Those symptoms are known to occur because of abuse, I.e. Smoking it when you don't really want to, or need to..

I would advise that you feel it out during the experience, I am the same sometimes during a trip if I smoke it will send me to a place far darker than any psychedelic could alone.. But this why I don't smoke it when I don't really want to, that and I am aware of how it effects me.. I think This is key to having a good experience, you have to know yourself and how you react to certain substances.. Which it seams you are quite familiar with.

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Re: Weed has caused me psychological problems!! [Re: zZZz]
    #21017686 - 12/23/14 03:37 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Simple answer it's called Withdrawal. You can't expect to do something for a duration of time and then stop randomly and expect no side effects or anything to happen at all. Sweating, irritability, etc a lot more.

As for the 3.5g compared to 2.5g its a big jump. My highest dose of mushrooms was 3.5 and I can say it was completely different from any other trip I've had, in terms of strength. The trip was way different and more powerful than lower doses of mushrooms, you will most likely lose sense of all time and at least in my experience everything was so perfect and surreal I thought I had died and was living in heaven. I was crying a lot at the beauty around me, while feeling connected to all life in the universe. Nothing better than it.


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Re: Weed has caused me psychological problems!! [Re: zZZz]
    #21017702 - 12/23/14 03:40 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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zZZz said:
Those symptoms are known to occur because of abuse, I.e. Smoking it when you don't really want to, or need to..

I would advise that you feel it out during the experience, I am the same sometimes during a trip if I smoke it will send me to a place far darker than any psychedelic could alone.. But this why I don't smoke it when I don't really want to, that and I am aware of how it effects me.. I think This is key to having a good experience, you have to know yourself and how you react to certain substances.. Which it seams you are quite familiar with.

Tl;dr
Do what feels right..




I feel that it is not for me. And if I do smoke again I will get buzzed or mildly high, anything past that and I have very creepy, weird thoughts like something is controlling me. I’m better now though, it just took a while to get over withdrawals. If there is such a thing as a marijuana withdrawal.

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Re: Weed has caused me psychological problems!! [Re: birthdaysuit]
    #21017712 - 12/23/14 03:44 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

There definitely is such a thing as marijuana withdrawals. Usually consists of lack of sleep, irritable during the day, etc.. But this is mostly from abuse..


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Re: Weed has caused me psychological problems!! [Re: zZZz]
    #21017727 - 12/23/14 03:46 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I think replacing it with another drug is not the best idea.  Also, from what I understand, it is impossible for THC to fully saturate the receptors, which is why people do not overdose.  It could have a temporary effect on you, but it is unlikely that you have any permanent damage.  Your problem could be psychosomatic from a negative experience you had while on it. You did explain that there was a drastic change in your life, combined with a psychoactive, is a situation asking for trouble.

As far as your problem, you should probably focus on doing something positive to drown it out.  Maybe a change of environment or spend your time around more positive people.

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Re: Weed has caused me psychological problems!! [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #21017728 - 12/23/14 03:47 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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The trip was way different and more powerful than lower doses of mushrooms, you will most likely lose sense of all time and at least in my experience everything was so perfect and surreal I thought I had died and was living in heaven.




Thanks, I guess it was withdrawals then. And I have read that taking lower doses of mushrooms can cause one to fight with their ego and thoughts.

When I took 2.5 I would occasionally experience this. Only when I meditated, sat down and relaxed did I truly feel at peace with myself and everything around me.

If I were to take that extra gram would I cease fighting with my ego? I mean this trip’s set and setting will be a lot better than my prior 2.5g trip.

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Re: Weed has caused me psychological problems!! [Re: zZZz]
    #21017741 - 12/23/14 03:49 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Would smoking 3 grams over three months be considered abuse?

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Re: Weed has caused me psychological problems!! [Re: birthdaysuit]
    #21017743 - 12/23/14 03:50 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Anywhere where you can be yourself and not be judged, and also feel safe, is a good place.


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Re: Weed has caused me psychological problems!! [Re: Cheezymold]
    #21017750 - 12/23/14 03:51 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you. It is skiing season so that will take up most of my time.

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Re: Weed has caused me psychological problems!! [Re: birthdaysuit]
    #21017754 - 12/23/14 03:52 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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birthdaysuit said:
Would smoking 3 grams over three months be considered abuse?




Depends how u use it I guess..


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Re: Weed has caused me psychological problems!! [Re: zZZz]
    #21017761 - 12/23/14 03:54 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Bowl and the occasional joint. I mean I know people who smoke 2 grams a day.

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Re: Weed has caused me psychological problems!! [Re: birthdaysuit]
    #21017789 - 12/23/14 04:02 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Perfect!  Also, do it sober.  Your mind will make connections depending on it's current state.  You might not enjoy it later if you go intoxicated and try to go sober later.  Same applies with any drug, not just Cannabis.  You might have had an overdose(which is not physically dangerous), which could be causing your negative stigma.  It is really easy to do when you first start.  It is way stronger than it used to be, and even a single hit can have a powerful hallucinogenic effect on a person with no tolerance.  It scared the living shit out of me the first time it happened and I was paranoid as fuck for a week after.  I can tell it is going to happen when I cannot breathe after taking the hit(I'm really sensitive despite smoking regularly for 3 years). 

Just remember, there are no recorded death's for Cannabis overdose. That study that you quoted is likely propaganda, as most other sources show that THC is only a partial agonist.  Synthetic cannabis(spice, head trip ect.) are full agonist, which is why there are so many side effects and people dying from it.

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Re: Weed has caused me psychological problems!! [Re: Cheezymold]
    #21017810 - 12/23/14 04:07 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Cheezymold said:
Just remember, there are no recorded death's for Cannabis overdose. That study that you quoted is likely propaganda, as most other sources show that THC is only a partial agonist.  Synthetic cannabis(spice, head trip ect.) are full agonist, which is why there are so many side effects and people dying from it.




Thanks! Yeah, It is quite disturbing that K2 spice is legal in many sates but cannabis is not.

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Re: Weed has caused me psychological problems!! [Re: birthdaysuit]
    #21017872 - 12/23/14 04:21 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I think that was the biggest problem I had when I would overdose(commonly known as greenout) was thinking I was going to die.  Why wouldn't I?  I've been listening to these conservative pricks saying it kills you all my life.

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Re: Weed has caused me psychological problems!! [Re: Cheezymold]
    #21018010 - 12/23/14 04:58 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Well I haven’t any panic attacks like that when high on cannabis it was just the withdrawals. I have had sort of a feeling like I was dead while on shrooms but that passed.

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Re: Weed has caused me psychological problems!! [Re: birthdaysuit]
    #21018626 - 12/23/14 07:21 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Damn that sucks.

Sounds like the weed has "turned" on you. Likely from smoking too much or in the wrong situations that you shouldnt be stoned in. Also, just being stressful in general is bad for any psychedelic, even weed.

Since you are taking shrooms soon, DO NOT SMOKE WEED DURING THE MUSHROOM TRIP!

You will VERY likely have a bad trip from the combo.

Shrooms alone should be fine, I would think. As long as you are calm and content and in a location of tripping that is calm and comfortable to you.


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Re: Weed has caused me psychological problems!! [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #21018740 - 12/23/14 07:43 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Simple answer it's called Withdrawal. You can't expect to do something for a duration of time and then stop randomly and expect no side effects or anything to happen at all. Sweating, irritability, etc a lot more.
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i call bull shit... I smoked weed for like 4 years every single day and then stopped. NO withdrawal symptoms at all experienced at all. the only thing was better dream recall.

I had smoked weed for 7 years like 4 years straight no problem.

Weed isn't addictive at all it can be habit forming but isn't addictive this opinion is mine from personal experience and I dont think everyone will agree personally but yeah.

after 2 days withot smoking you feel completely normal.
Maybe im just good at handling addictions I quit smoking and can smoke if I want to without being worried about getting addicted again
(2-3 weeks straight socially smoking tobacco ect)

I have even taken up smoking just to get addicted and beat the addiction twice ..just to hone my will power skills.

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Re: Weed has caused me psychological problems!! [Re: Amorphouspattern]
    #21018749 - 12/23/14 07:45 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

good luck OP I hope you feel normal again im sure you will :smile:
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I mean smoking ciggeretes in above post second paragraph

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