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Layers of reality?
    #21014277 - 12/22/14 09:10 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

So I was on about 350ug, strongest I've tried so far.

Just about at peak, I realised there was something *more*. Something untangible, that was impossible to find words for.
A space in-between space.

The problem is, that my sober mind can't recall what it was, or what it felt like.
I would have to be there again to understand or comprehend this, the 'feeling' or whatever, it can't be felt or perceived in this state of consciousness even in memory, it's fading away like a dream, but I do remember the words I used to describe it at the time as 'layers of reality'.

I've seen this phrase used in trip reports since, so I was wondering if anyone has experienced this or knows any better way of articulating it.

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Re: Layers of reality? [Re: Trypto-Fan]
    #21014355 - 12/22/14 09:30 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

That's the terrible thing about LSD.
You know everything and have so much knowledge of the world but when you come down you lose it all!

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Re: Layers of reality? [Re: Trypto-Fan]
    #21014375 - 12/22/14 09:34 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I almost feel this phenomenon every time that I'm really out there, and I know just how hard it is to bring back into sober consciousness. To me it feels like there's a whole universe right in front of me yet its thousands of light years away at the same time..


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Re: Layers of reality? [Re: Trypto-Fan]
    #21014398 - 12/22/14 09:39 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I know what you mean.

It feels like you are "in tune" with a separate layer of reality, almost like the "real" layer of reality. Its really weird. I felt in on my first trip on DMT next to a river. I felt like I had went to a new plane of existence, apart from reality. Like some higher place that can only be reached by a soul, or on DMT.

A profound experience you had! Are you ready for the layer of existence of a 500 microgram dose?


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Re: Layers of reality? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21014444 - 12/22/14 09:49 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I would like to push it further.

Thing is, shortly after everything getting as intense as it could possibly get, me and the friend I was tripping with got drawn into some kind of 'insanity loop'
We sat on the kitchen floor giving names to inanimate objects, giggling non stop, and reciting over and over where they lived, and how they were linked to each other, and the trouble is, it all made perfect sense at the time, it was real..

I think I experienced what it was like to actually be insane at that point.

But I feel I might've been able to play around with some of the more interesting aspects of the trip had I not been sucked into this loop.

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Re: Layers of reality? [Re: Trypto-Fan]
    #21014451 - 12/22/14 09:50 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

If you trip with a friend again, you should leave a voice recorder in the middle of the floor.

I would love to hear that conversation :lol:

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Re: Layers of reality? [Re: Bluntlock]
    #21015067 - 12/23/14 12:03 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Bluntlock said:
I almost feel this phenomenon every time that I'm really out there, and I know just how hard it is to bring back into sober consciousness. To me it feels like there's a whole universe right in front of me yet its thousands of light years away at the same time..



LSD+nitrous you will be chasing that dragon all night


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Re: Layers of reality? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21015099 - 12/23/14 12:13 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I remember when I was meditating on two dox blotters, when I would return from my meditation, it was like turning on an old television set. The world would focus in by expanding from a flat line into a normal 3d space. But why was it originally a flat line and what was surrounding the flat line - some kind of 4d or 5d space?


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Re: Layers of reality? [Re: The Doobie Dude]
    #21015104 - 12/23/14 12:14 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I completely agree that there's layers of reality.

One time I was laying in bed pretty high on lsd and staring at the ceiling light, to the point where it split into 2 lights, exactly the same, except one looked like a holograph of the other.

I could "play" with this second light, put it back under the original one, have them staggered on top of each other, and have them separated. I had an understanding at the time that the second light was a different reality, which i was able to see because of the lsd


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Re: Layers of reality? [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
    #21015119 - 12/23/14 12:20 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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PsychoKinesiS said:
I remember when I was meditating on two dox blotters, when I would return from my meditation, it was like turning on an old television set. The world would focus in by expanding from a flat line into a normal 3d space. But why was it originally a flat line and what was surrounding the flat line - some kind of 4d or 5d space?




What's really crazy, is I was on dox blotters once a long time ago, and I smoked a big joint of sour diesel with my buddy.  I started thinking about something in my mind, when I realized my buddy's face was fucking huge, and I had somehow "zoomed in" with my eyes.  I then realized if I wanted to focus on how my eyes shouldn't be doing that, I could zoom back out and see the rest of the room and his normal sized face.  Then I realized that I could zoom just by zoning out!  It's kind of like when you're sober, and you go into real deep thought and don't concentrate on what you're looking at, you can make everything go fuzzy.  Only I could zoom in and out whenever I wanted to!  I've only had this happen once in my life.

On another not op.  One time I ate way too much 2ce (40mg), did 2-3 tenths of ket up the nose, and smoked a bowl of 100x salvia.  I took a huge rip, and held it in.  On the exhale, I saw these crazy loop visuals, and I was certain I had a revelation about how time worked.  Then I came back with no memory of what the revelation was...  My friends said I blew out this huge cloud of smoke, said "what's going on", and passed out sideways on the couch for about 10 minutes.

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Re: Layers of reality? [Re: Trypto-Fan]
    #21015949 - 12/23/14 08:55 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Layers or Veils?
"As veils peel off from one's sight."

Aka layers of reality or layers of understanding?

Or maybe as our understandings change; so does reality to some extent.  Thoughts and feelings are actions; they yield physically measurable results.  I dunno.


The psychedelic experience may take us through our own individual veils; but if we have not laid the groundwork to sustain such understandings can we complain about losing them?


The monk says psychedelics may provide a brief helicopter ride around the mountain top.


The guru is unaffected by highly dosed LSD. 


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All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

Blessing.

Edited by flickedbic (12/23/14 09:03 AM)

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Re: Layers of reality? [Re: flickedbic]
    #21016541 - 12/23/14 11:23 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Learn better metaphors lol. You may find better ways to contextualize these sorts of experiences with more thorough intellectual bodies of knowledge about consciousness and how it relates to itself. It is impossible to sustain this level of direct insight and mystical experiences in normal waking consciousness but if you have a good enough metaphor for it you can always draw upon that experience second handed-ly through the intellect. I think that's as good as it gets without the altered states. Even enlightenment in waking consciousness is limited to realized awareness and doesn't involve the direct experience of actually skipping ahead a dimension or two into source

Edited by saenchai (12/23/14 11:24 AM)

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Re: Layers of reality? [Re: saenchai]
    #21016549 - 12/23/14 11:25 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Seen through these dreamless eyes
Blind buildings stark to the sky
Silhouettes as dividing walls
Guarding the eternal secret

Where is the flame to haunt you
Who do you answer to
My lies are always wishes
Lies that make me

See beyond the rationale
Accept the fate that nothing is meant to be
Be the least connected
Stay true to the last original

Apply layers to reality
Things only you can see
Add a beat to normality
To tap the core of insanity

I let my dreams cross over
To days of endless gray
If I could merge the mundane and the magic
We'd forge a new unknown
I let my dreams cross over
To nothingness and back again
If I could merge the mundane and the magic
Where is the dark I came to find

In latter days as time will find you
Memories will never let you get closer
The silent sighs in useless company
Wish for darkness and death again
In the face of ignorance and fear
I cast it right back
Some things were never there to begin with
Objectivity is truth denied

Apply layers to reality
Things only you can see
Add a beat to normality
To tap the core of insanity

I let my dreams cross over
To days of endless gray
If I could merge the mundane and the magic
We'd forge a new unknown
I let my dreams cross over
To nothingness and back again
If I could merge the mundane and the magic
Where is the dark I came to find

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Re: Layers of reality? [Re: Deathcore]
    #21016808 - 12/23/14 12:13 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

What we see out of our eyes is a complete chemical phenomenon. These layers of reality are seen when incorrect balances of chemical signals are sent down to your eye balls. You do not need psychedelics to experience this. Stick a probe in the right part of your skull and your reality will split into a thousand different distorted frames.

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Re: Layers of reality? [Re: Trypto-Fan]
    #21017073 - 12/23/14 01:12 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Trypto-Fan said:
So I was on about 350ug, strongest I've tried so far.

Just about at peak, I realised there was something *more*. Something untangible, that was impossible to find words for.
A space in-between space.

The problem is, that my sober mind can't recall what it was, or what it felt like.
I would have to be there again to understand or comprehend this, the 'feeling' or whatever, it can't be felt or perceived in this state of consciousness even in memory, it's fading away like a dream, but I do remember the words I used to describe it at the time as 'layers of reality'.

I've seen this phrase used in trip reports since, so I was wondering if anyone has experienced this or knows any better way of articulating it.




Really the layers peel back to reveal Reality, which is yourself

Any layer that you can peel away and discard is not ultimately Reality, just like your skin is not you its part of you, if you peeled your skin away you would still be you (not the best analogy!) but this is how reality is, reality is one whole, not parts

It is inexressible, ineffible, intangible, because It Is You!

Just like you can't objectify the awareness at the very core of you


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Re: Layers of reality? [Re: Chronic7]
    #21017559 - 12/23/14 03:03 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

If it's me how is it you?

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Re: Layers of reality? [Re: Trypto-Fan]
    #21017797 - 12/23/14 04:04 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

this is the basic psychedelic effect
frame stacking
you are noticing frame stacked space.
but it works for all senses, and ideas.

the thing is that what you experience fades more slowly when stoned than usual, so that each moment of experience (like a frame of a movie) lingers longer and overlaps like layers underneath the new moments of experience which also persist longer under subsequent layers of experience.

the whole stack of sensations and thoughts becomes contemporaneous so that space is much more complex.

another side effect of frame stacking (or persistence or slower fading moments) is that the sense of time passing is disrupted.

time can seem to go more slowly, stop or jump forward as your interest or attention moves through the stack of layers.


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