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lvnthalife
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Just wanted to share my first try at growing cacti from seeds. I had approximately 12 seeds and six sprouts so far. Sorry for the bad picture.
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LSoares
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Looking good.  (You could carefully remove that chunk of wood, it's not doing anything to your plants or substrate)
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lvnthalife
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I just removed it. I have a couple questions.
First, what kind of timeline am i looking at for flowering? Im assuming 1+ years.
Second, what are pups (are they the little cacti that grow off the main one)and how are they achieved?
Im new to this so those are probably noob questions but i find the internet very unreliable at times.
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LSoares
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The time to grow a L. williamsii from seed to flower is, I would say, 4 years for someone knowledgeable (if I may say so myself, that's how long they take for me). You could probably do it in 3 years with some very skillful husbandry, otherwise think 5 years or more.
Unless you graft them, in which case you could do it in a year and a half, two years.
"Pups" is what are called the plantlets that emerge from the base of the plant and are a consequence of growth. Some varieties pup more than others, but those that won't pup at all are rare. The so called L. w. var caespitosa, or L. williamsii "La Perdida", is famous for pupping like crazy.
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lvnthalife
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Thanks for your answers. Ive grown many things in my life that have a quick payoff. Im interested now in growing things that will take more time and patience.
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I've got a couple going on over five years old that have still yet to flower
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lvnthalife
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My last question for now. How big should they be before thinning them out to different containers?
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LSoares
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That's a tricky question. I'd say it's more a question of assessing whether at any given moment they'll gain more from repotting or lose more from having their roots disturbed, not how much time has passed. I wouldn't think about it until next year's summer.
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lvnthalife
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Thank you. That is very helpful. I read that they should be thinned out when their about a centimeter diameter. I dont think thats necessary though. I figure as long as they have enough room for their roots they should be ok.
I have about an inch of growing medium in their container. Should that be sufficient for now?
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Should i add more growing medium for them or is this gonna be enough for now? Its only about an inch deep.
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BigHeart
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I'm no loph expert but one inch deep sounds pretty shallow since they are a taproot plant
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lvnthalife
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Im sure its enough at the moment. I guess i should be more precise in my question. Should i add more growing medium as they get bigger for support?
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cowsRmeat
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Seems liks IL did/does give the a small layer of small rock or something when they get a little older. I think I read that in his 'loph from seed' thread in his sig
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18844859/page/1
I might be remembering it from somewhere else, but this thread is good read anyway....
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They shouldn't need support as long as they're getting enough light. The only way that plants typically need support is if they are etiolated, or stretching for lack of light. There are some exceptions that are just stretchy bitches of plants (E. novo comes to mind). Some people like to add rocks around them but I don't think it's completely necessary, unless they aren't getting enough light.
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Actually what comes to peyote, some just grow "etiolated" and some doesn't.
I know I have got enough light for seedlings, actually even "too much" ..still some peyote grow very small column, some goes round ball.
I think it may be because in habitat those plants may germinate in small crack of clay or rocks and need to be grow longer, maybe.. But for some reason same tray have always tall ones and round ones..
Even I add light so much seedlings goes red because of it, still there are few exceptions just growing more columnar shape as seedling to their first one, two months till they starts to grow round ball on top of them.
All lophophora does that, I never except them to be round ball shape seedlings, but what comes to that species, it tends to etiolate as well because of excess watering, especially older plants grow more etiolated if watering is more regular.. non-regular watering with random long droughts gives more natural shape plants, similar to habitat.
I have not find anything what causes some seedlings to grow longer and some directly to round ball. Usually those grow longer will grow fat and ball shape head in few months, leaving some slim base under the actual growing small button.
Etiolation because lack of light is littlebit different but no matter of light power, I haven't been able to stop few of them just to grow "etiolated" ..seems it's common with peyote seedlings. They still turn to right shape ball-like seedlings in 2-3months from their top and basically collapse when their top gets weight and size. Maybe because these plants grow tap root underground, this growth style is visible with seedlings as well.
Haven't seen a single tray of peyote(and I have germinated thousands of seeds) without mixture of ball shape and long column shape seedligs under ~1 month old. After that age of 4-6weeks those column-shape seedlings will turn to shape they should leaving skinny base.
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cowsRmeat
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Can you explain what your process is for determining whether or not you are going to add an extra layer for support of the skinny bases? Do you still do that often? I see in your first post of your loph from seed thread, you said you added a layer.
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intelligentlife
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Quote:
cowsRmeat said: Can you explain what your process is for determining whether or not you are going to add an extra layer for support of the skinny bases? Do you still do that often? I see in your first post of your loph from seed thread, you said you added a layer.
For that instance, yes... I add layer.
I don't do it always. It's just journal from one of my projects. I usually tend to support plants with rocks around them..
Atm doing test with pure coco coir, no support whatsoever.
It's not necessary, but can be done if want to.. Except if you add wrong type of surface layering. Too small grain sand add to surface cause later on growing medium very hard to get dry and rotting plants occur.
If need, find a mosquito-net, tight enough.. Then build screen and collect those grains what doesn't go trough the thin net. There are lots of screens like that and you can build one esily from wood and actual screen-material, it can be anything separating "too small grains" of sand away. You don't want fine sand to your cactus grow medium. It goes cement when moist.
edit:You can think about moist sand and those "sand castle's" kids build at beach. So basically sand needs to be so rought enough and you shoul not be able to build "sand castle" from those grains. Just moisten the grains and try do the stick to ball or not. IF not, you have right and proper sand used as top layer or mixed growing medium.
Potted plants is kinda different to plants grow out there at deserts. Fine sand in ground doesn't matter, there are no "edges" what so ever preventing the earth pack up like cement. Basically you don't need to try follow directly soil what plant have in habitat, sand in container behaves very different to sand in ground anyway.
Edited by intelligentlife (12/22/14 09:29 PM)
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lvnthalife
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Very informative
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cowsRmeat
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Yeah, thanks. Good to know about the small grain sand, too. That kind of thing is something usually learned only from experience.
-------------------- One day Alice came to a fork in the road and saw a Cheshire cat in a tree. 'Which road do I take?' she asked. 'Where do you want to go?' was his response. 'I don't know', Alice answered. 'Then', said the cat, 'it doesn't matter.'
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