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Incubation? (noob)
    #21011086 - 12/22/14 06:24 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

So I've got all of the stuff for the initial inoculation; spores, substrate, jars, etc ready to go. Next step, I thought, would be to make an incubator, out of maybe a vivarium or aquarium. Looking into it, I saw a few people say noobs shouldn't use incubators for a while but couldn't find any explanation as to why. A vivarium-based incubator sounds like the simplest and easiest option. The tek I'm going for is the bulk WBS tek (hoping to fill a few fairly large boxes at a time) - what's the best incubation method for me?

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Re: Incubation? (noob) [Re: Psylocybe]
    #21011129 - 12/22/14 06:51 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

How is the heating in your house/room? If you are comfortable sitting or walking around then your jars will be too.
You only really need a incubator if you live on the north pole.

But if you must, maybe just a plastic tote with a blanket on the bottom and stack them up and lid on. Will give a little heat, still shouldnt be needed.

Dont start buying water heaters and all kinds of funky stuff.

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Looking into it, I saw a few people say noobs shouldn't use incubators for a while but couldn't find any explanation as to why



If you feel good, your jars will feel good, incubators is usually waste of time :rockon:

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Re: Incubation? (noob) [Re: Psylocybe]
    #21011134 - 12/22/14 06:54 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

You really don't need a incubator unless the temperature of the room is below 65. You can put them close together in a clear plastic tub and they'll give each other heat like "teamwork".

If your temperature of your room is below 65ºF, then you can consider in making a incubator, the best i've seen out there is the Frankhorrigan incubator TEK.

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Re: Incubation? (noob) [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #21011138 - 12/22/14 06:57 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Incubation? (noob) [Re: Yerow]
    #21011150 - 12/22/14 07:01 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Not quite as north as the North Pole but I do live in Scotland and it's winter. During the day the heating is on but overnight it is off, therefore the temperature won't be consistent, surely? I'd like to be able to leave the house for a night or two without worrying that the temperature will drop to 5 degrees (Celsius) overnight in December

Could I just stick them in some clear boxes in the top of a cupboard then with a thermometer to ensure the temperature isn't dropping below a certain point? No lamps or anything? What about misting? I hear it's outdated, but what's the alternative?

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Re: Incubation? (noob) [Re: Yerow]
    #21011163 - 12/22/14 07:12 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Incubator don't work very much for noobs because they set the incubator at 80ºF and then oscillates up to 86ºf promoting competitor organisms. Also they choose poor designs incubators with high humidity and lots of condensation. Frank incubator is a good design. Even if you have a incubator with steady temperature i would not set it more than 75ºF.

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Re: Incubation? (noob) [Re: Psylocybe]
    #21011169 - 12/22/14 07:14 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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What about misting? I hear it's outdated, but what's the alternative?




Are we talking here about incubation of substrates or fruiting? You don't mist colonizing substrates.

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Re: Incubation? (noob) [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #21011170 - 12/22/14 07:16 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I mean after the 14 day colonization period during fruiting after the jars of mycelium have been transferred to tubs as well. I assume incubation for colonization can be the same setup as the incubation for fruiting, minus the humidifiers/misting

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Re: Incubation? (noob) [Re: Psylocybe]
    #21020897 - 12/24/14 10:57 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Quick bump

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Re: Incubation? (noob) [Re: Psylocybe]
    #21021058 - 12/24/14 11:40 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Quick bump





Fixed


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Re: Incubation? (noob) [Re: Psylocybe]
    #21021069 - 12/24/14 11:42 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Looks like you're a bit confused on your terminology.

After your quart jars are 100% colonized, you'll spawn to a bulk substrate, either in a tray or a monotub. CVG(Coco coir, verm, gypsum) is the easiest substrate imo. Once your bulk substrate is fully colonized, you'll stuff your holes on your monotub with polyfill(Loose on top, super tight on bottom) assuming you're going the monotub route.

If you go with trays, once they're 100% colonized you'll fruit them in a sgfc. Misting can be bad or good, if your sub is dehydrated, mist. If it's not, don't mist :shrug:.


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There is a standing rule that we do not bump our threads for the first 24 hours.




You a bit tired djmako? He was following the rules :lol:.

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Re: Incubation? (noob) [Re: ToxicDuck]
    #21021718 - 12/24/14 02:24 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

There is no need for incubation during colonization, if you maintain ambient room temp of 70ºf + or - 5º is optimal.


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Re: Incubation? (noob) [Re: T-Funkadelic]
    #21022258 - 12/24/14 05:29 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

My bad, yes I was tired and couldnt see the date on my phone very well


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Re: Incubation? (noob) [Re: ToxicDuck]
    #21023569 - 12/25/14 12:50 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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After your quart jars are 100% colonized, you'll spawn to a bulk substrate, either in a tray or a monotub. CVG(Coco coir, verm, gypsum) is the easiest substrate imo. Once your bulk substrate is fully colonized, you'll stuff your holes on your monotub with polyfill(Loose on top, super tight on bottom) assuming you're going the monotub route.




Yeah I get all this, I haven't decided whether to use trays or the monotub tek yet. Monotub tek is really popular but looks quite complicated. The SGFC sounds more noob friendly, but is there a reason it's called the "shotgun" chamber? It's it a more temporary option than the monotubs? Or not as good for larger quantities?
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If you go with trays, once they're 100% colonized you'll fruit them in a sgfc. Misting can be bad or good, if your sub is dehydrated, mist. If it's not, don't mist :shrug:.



I just heard it was an outdated concept, but I didn't hear if another method made it redundant - like using a humidifier instead

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There is no need for incubation during colonization, if you maintain ambient room temp of 70ºf + or - 5º is optimal.



Sorry I feel a bit stupid. Assuming both of these temperatures are in farenheit, I can't make heads or tails of this sentence. Over 70ºf or under 5ºf? Do you mean anywhere in-between these temperatures? Still it's a huge difference. Sorry again if I'm being really stupid:confused:

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Re: Incubation? (noob) [Re: Psylocybe]
    #21024057 - 12/25/14 08:59 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I currently have a cfl bulb in a 15L bucket and a matching bucket on top, so a "tub in tub" setup. It is set on a timer, comes on about 8 hours a day in 4 intervals.

I start off with low times, and monitor the temp and increase the timing if it needs to be warmer. This would obviously change with the seasons. I have also hooked a lightbulb up to an old aquarium heater thermostat.

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Re: Incubation? (noob) [Re: blackout]
    #21025086 - 12/25/14 03:05 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

18-24ºC is optimal for colonization. The only time you would need to incubate is if your temps are below 18ºC. Temps slightly above 18ºC most likely will colonize faster.


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Re: Incubation? (noob) [Re: T-Funkadelic]
    #21025109 - 12/25/14 03:11 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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18-24ºC 27ºC is optimal for colonization. The only time you would need to incubate is if your temps are below 18ºC. Temps slightly above 18ºC most likely will colonize faster.



Fixed,

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Fahrenheit that's 65-80. Higher then 83 and your climate prefers contam growth.


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Re: Incubation? (noob) [Re: taGyo]
    #21025272 - 12/25/14 03:57 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)





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18-24ºC 27ºC is optimal for colonization. The only time you would need to incubate is if your temps are below 18ºC. Temps slightly above 18ºC most likely will colonize faster.



Fixed,

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Fahrenheit that's 65-80. Higher then 83 and your climate prefers contam growth.





Thx ..I just use 75º as my high end only because of temperature fluctuations. Set at 80º is just risky to me. I'm not home 12hrs a day and my grow rooms on the second floor of my house. I have come home to temps a little over 80º sometimes with my thermostat set at 75º. Really just depends on your environment and season.


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Re: Incubation? (noob) [Re: T-Funkadelic]
    #21025279 - 12/25/14 04:00 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Completely understandable and one hundred percent correct,
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Re: Incubation? (noob) [Re: T-Funkadelic]
    #21027022 - 12/26/14 06:07 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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18-24ºC is optimal for colonization. The only time you would need to incubate is if your temps are below 18ºC. Temps slightly above 18ºC most likely will colonize faster.




Aye like I said... Scotland. I'd rather not faff about with lamps etc which have to be checked every now and then, isn't it possible to buy a wee reptile automatic heater/lamp which regulates it's own temperature these days? Might cost a bit more but it sounds more convenient and could be used for fruiting too

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