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 DEJ
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 Rye VS BRF VS Corn VS WBS VS Popcorn 
#20997661 - 12/19/14 04:59 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey guys, So im collecting info and wanted to know what substrates you have had the best luck with compared to others. Please dont post in here if you only have tried one of these substrates posted. Rye, BRF, Corn, WBS, and Popcorn. What grains have colonized faster then others for you? What produce more flushes for you. Yes I know there are many of factors at play when it come to this stuff. But if you guys could give me your thought and input it would be highly appreciated. Thanks
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 Re: Rye VS BRF VS Corn VS WBS VS Popcorn [Re: DEJ]
#20997689 - 12/19/14 05:18 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Corn sux and if you want speed look into agar 
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Re: Rye VS BRF VS Corn VS WBS VS Popcorn [Re: Pastywhyte]
#20997719 - 12/19/14 05:43 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said:
Corn sux and if you want speed look into agar
I have tried all of the above and have had the best success with Rye. More air between the grains, easier to hydrate as well as agitate during colonization.
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Re: Rye VS BRF VS Corn VS WBS VS Popcorn [Re: Jeff Vader]
#20997774 - 12/19/14 06:22 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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im using 2-1-1 BRF with creepers and B+. from a few failed attempts. i found to never use fine verm. from my XP. i have never had a problem after changing to medium for BRF. PC for 90 min at 10 pis or 60 min at 15 psi, never tilt them on their sides, the verm can drop down and contam the jar. remove the foil after PC to help with some air exchanged while growing in the jars. let them cool to room temp. before injecting, and leave them alone for a few days before checking on them.
im trying out rye subs. and just injected last night. ill post beck with my findings on how it went for me.
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Re: Rye VS BRF VS Corn VS WBS VS Popcorn [Re: Ambush_Snipes]
#20997882 - 12/19/14 07:13 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Spawn is spawn.
Buy whatever's cheapest in bulk. 50 lb bags for 10-20 dollars is what you're aiming for. Look into a farm or pet store. WBS is the easiest to prep IMO but I love rye and oats.
Popcorn sucks dick.
Speed = Agar or LC. Or Agar THEN LC.
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Re: Rye VS BRF VS Corn VS WBS VS Popcorn [Re: taGyo]
#20997965 - 12/19/14 07:50 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Rye is the best spawn because everything does well on rye. I have become very fond of oats myself because they are so cheap and they are almost as universal as rye. Then wild bird seed. Brown rice flour is a great spawn but only if you are doing cakes. I wouldn't even mess with popcorn if I were you. You will be disappointed. I tried it, it sucks. Period.
So moral of the story.
Rye - best
Oats - My personal favorite and also very good
Wild bird seed - Great for cubes. If you are doing cubes this really is a great spawn medium.
Brown rice (flour or whole) - good substrate for cakes.
Corn - just no.
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Re: Rye VS BRF VS Corn VS WBS VS Popcorn [Re: Fivel]
#20997980 - 12/19/14 08:00 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fivel said:
Brown rice flour is a great spawn [sic] but only if you are doing cakes.
Brown rice (flour or whole) - good substrate for cakes.
Right second time. Good substrate ingredient, but essentially useless for spawn.
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Re: Rye VS BRF VS Corn VS WBS VS Popcorn [Re: BUK]
#20998066 - 12/19/14 08:49 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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I only use rye except when the store is out then I use oats. Really hey seem interchangeable to me, they cost the same at my store.
I've never used WBS, I hear it is cheap but messy?
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 Re: Rye VS BRF VS Corn VS WBS VS Popcorn [Re: DEJ]
#20998091 - 12/19/14 09:00 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Edited by saralove (09/08/16 01:52 AM)
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Re: Rye VS BRF VS Corn VS WBS VS Popcorn [Re: saralove]
#20998209 - 12/19/14 09:56 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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It may be wise to hear everyone's advice, but generally listen only to those with earned wisdom from long experience.
It may save one from a lot of headaches.
Just my personal experience with mycology. 
I see nothing but good suggestions on this forum.
In fact most members are just repeating each other.
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Re: Rye VS BRF VS Corn VS WBS VS Popcorn [Re: taGyo]
#20998304 - 12/19/14 10:21 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Will someone elaborate on this a bit more?
I just bought a 50lb bag of yellow popcorn..
I've seen amazing growth on a test-run awhile back,
But now I've read nothing but shitty remarks about the grain.
It seemed to me at first as a simpler method than fucking with all this WBS that carried more bacteria than id desire anyway..
But what makes popcorn so bad? It's easy as hell to get, I paid $30 for a 50lb bag, and I didn't even go to the cheapest place..
It seems like the popcorn would have more potential energy than WBS,
But then again, I'm sure rye has more caloric energy.
I'm just looking to make the best out of a simple purchase.
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Re: Rye VS BRF VS Corn VS WBS VS Popcorn [Re: TripBalls]
#21001484 - 12/20/14 12:35 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's not that bad if you prepare it correctly but I would have gotten white popcorn if you wanted to use corn. The kernels are significantly smaller than the yellow popcorn.
If you want to make the most of the yellow I would spawn it together with another type of grain as well to help speed up the spawn run. It has a very high water content and seems to produces larger but fewer mushrooms.
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Re: Rye VS BRF VS Corn VS WBS VS Popcorn [Re: Kizzle]
#21001660 - 12/20/14 01:45 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've just started testing barley still in its hull. Mycelium has been ripping through it like no one's business. Can't beat rye, however, for its consistently good performance.
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Re: Rye VS BRF VS Corn VS WBS VS Popcorn [Re: Sksoul]
#21002137 - 12/20/14 07:32 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sksoul said:
I've just started testing barley still in its hull. Mycelium has been ripping through it like no one's business. Can't beat rye, however, for its consistently good performance.
Is the mycelium growing faster on the barley then it normally does on your rye? And did you inoculate the barley with spores or lc or agar?
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Re: Rye VS BRF VS Corn VS WBS VS Popcorn [Re: DEJ]
#21002290 - 12/20/14 08:51 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Have a mono right now made from popcorn. The jars took forever to colonize. And the mono is also taking forever. Used 6 qts of spawn even. But still slow. Popcorn is very hard to get water content right and is slow due to lack of inoculation points. The smaller the grain, the better.
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Re: Rye VS BRF VS Corn VS WBS VS Popcorn [Re: siko887] 1
#21002324 - 12/20/14 09:08 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Actually popcorn colonizes quite fast due to there being less surface area to cover. If your jars are really slow I would suspect the other drawback to popcorn which is high endospore counts. Shake it next time and see how it recovers.
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Re: Rye VS BRF VS Corn VS WBS VS Popcorn [Re: Kizzle]
#21003398 - 12/20/14 02:23 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kizzle said:
It's not that bad if you prepare it correctly but I would have gotten white popcorn if you wanted to use corn. The kernels are significantly smaller than the yellow popcorn.
If you want to make the most of the yellow I would spawn it together with another type of grain as well to help speed up the spawn run. It has a very high water content and seems to produces larger but fewer mushrooms.
Could you use yellow as a foundation to do a grain to grain into a new grain that is faster like rye and get more lager fruit? To me it sounds like if you slow grow in corn get less but larger fruit, grain to grain into rye it grows fast again get more fruit that is larg? At the same time it sounds like that won't work tho. Lol
Not like that at less.
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Re: Rye VS BRF VS Corn VS WBS VS Popcorn [Re: siko887]
#21003915 - 12/20/14 04:22 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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siko887 said:
Have a mono right now made from popcorn. The jars took forever to colonize. And the mono is also taking forever. Used 6 qts of spawn even. But still slow. Popcorn is very hard to get water content right and is slow due to lack of inoculation points. The smaller the grain, the better.
You have to boil it for quite a good 45 minutes to get the water content up. The smaller white popcorn is actually harder to fully hydrate for some reason. You'll know it's ready when you can squash the grains with your fingers. If the water content is low it colonizes very slowly.
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Actually popcorn colonizes quite fast due to there being less surface area to cover. If your jars are really slow I would suspect the other drawback to popcorn which is high endospore counts. Shake it next time and see how it recovers.
It's in part to the large pore space between the grains. It allows for a lot of gas exchange to occur. Keeping in mind that mycelium colonizes in all directions possible it actually has farther to colonize on large kernels...
The red line is longer than the blue line. Although maybe the surface area is what's import for colonization speed but that would go against notion that more inoculation points speed up colonization. The only explanation I see for that is if distance the mycelium has to colonize is what's important for colonization speed and not surface area.
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Could you use yellow as a foundation to do a grain to grain into a new grain that is faster like rye and get more lager fruit? To me it sounds like if you slow grow in corn get less but larger fruit, grain to grain into rye it grows fast again get more fruit that is larg? At the same time it sounds like that won't work tho. Lol
Not like that at less.
Well, when I do popcorn it's strictly for the ease of preparation not to get larger mushrooms. Mixing just seems to be best way to put the yellow popcorn to use.
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Re: Rye VS BRF VS Corn VS WBS VS Popcorn [Re: Kizzle]
#21003921 - 12/20/14 04:23 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fuckin' Kizzle,
Guy drew a diagram and everything.
Thanks
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Re: Rye VS BRF VS Corn VS WBS VS Popcorn [Re: taGyo]
#21004000 - 12/20/14 04:37 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fuckin' Kizzle,
Guy drew a diagram and everything.
Thanks
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