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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: mandrin13]
#20411295 - 08/12/14 11:54 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: spore baby]
#20426837 - 08/16/14 11:23 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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I took pics today.. Haven't watered the plants since last time. They don't look they need any water at all.
Not at all... 
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#20464146 - 08/23/14 11:18 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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08/23/2014

Seems they do long time without a drink, maybe over winter.
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#20465569 - 08/23/14 05:27 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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They look great man.
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: ferrel_human]
#20498912 - 08/30/14 06:15 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Looking forward to trying this out when I get my first few Lophophora seeds in the mail.
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: iamjimmeh]
#20519521 - 09/04/14 02:29 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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30 days without water, 09/04/2014

I watered plants now because it's more warmer than normal.. this time was last time of watering, plants should be now approx 6months without a drop of water.
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#20527449 - 09/06/14 08:20 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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09/06/2014 - 2days after full soak of water. It's getting crowded!!

I think this was the last time of watering.. Winter is coming fast.. I'll shut heat off in week or two, probably water these next spring again. If unseasonable warm and sunny weather doesn't continue so far. Anyway, sunlight will vanish fast soon.

I would want to say my rule of thumb to people who use this as grow guide: When lophophora plants have acclimatized to droughts, water them only the time after plants starts to shrink and go soft because of dehydration. It's good to prevent over watering and with one soak plants do long time without water. It's a desert climate plant anyway. No need to look calendar when to water, water when plants need it and it can be seen when starts to shrink and go under soil. Lophs can go very slim and small without dying.
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#20527864 - 09/06/14 10:08 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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intelligentlife said: 09/06/2014 - 2days after full soak of water. It's getting crowded!!

I think this was the last time of watering.. Winter is coming fast.. I'll shut heat off in week or two, probably water these next spring again. If unseasonable warm and sunny weather doesn't continue so far. Anyway, sunlight will vanish fast soon.

I would want to say my rule of thumb to people who use this as grow guide: When lophophora plants have acclimatized to droughts, water them only the time after plants starts to shrink and go soft because of dehydration. It's good to prevent over watering and with one soak plants do long time without water. It's a desert climate plant anyway. No need to look calendar when to water, water when plants need it and it can be seen when starts to shrink and go under soil. Lophs can go very slim and small without dying.

This very true. Some people over water their cacti. Cacti thrive on neglect. This summers end has been really wet and will help them grow til next season before winter dormancy.
When do you think you will repot those IL?
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: ferrel_human]
#20528072 - 09/06/14 11:01 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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intelligentlife said: 09/06/2014 - 2days after full soak of water. It's getting crowded!!

I think this was the last time of watering.. Winter is coming fast.. I'll shut heat off in week or two, probably water these next spring again. If unseasonable warm and sunny weather doesn't continue so far. Anyway, sunlight will vanish fast soon.

I would want to say my rule of thumb to people who use this as grow guide: When lophophora plants have acclimatized to droughts, water them only the time after plants starts to shrink and go soft because of dehydration. It's good to prevent over watering and with one soak plants do long time without water. It's a desert climate plant anyway. No need to look calendar when to water, water when plants need it and it can be seen when starts to shrink and go under soil. Lophs can go very slim and small without dying.

This very true. Some people over water their cacti. Cacti thrive on neglect. This summers end has been really wet and will help them grow til next season before winter dormancy.
When do you think you will repot those IL?
I planned to repot them early next season.. Just before winter it's easy to transplant a cactus, I'll just move them under lights till grow season starts.
They are going to start their season 2015 in new trays.
I'm going to show a pictures from roots when transplanting and you'll see what kind of tap roots those youngsters probably have.
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#20528089 - 09/06/14 11:04 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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How deep are your pots?
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: ferrel_human]
#20528337 - 09/06/14 12:12 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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ferrel_human said: How deep are your pots?
Clay pot for those plants are ~3inch(8cm) deep.
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#20561733 - 09/13/14 11:54 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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I transplanted my plants.
Look like there is dark soil but it's just slightly moist coco coir.
These plants were pretty hard to get off from container.. Now I have 3 clay pots with some 8-9 lophophora per pot. I count there is suspected two willamsii clay pots.
There was also a rotten cactus, again. I was trying to see what happens if I give water for them what may happen in nature also, anyway, only one died.. Rest survived so far.
Anyhow.. Dormancy starting, I'll leave these to those pots, start care them at March.. I may take pic or two during winter when they are going to shrink underground. It's pretty loose soil-mixture. Fine rocks mixed to coco coir, perlite etc etc.
 There was very nice root system most of the plants.

 These are some ~16months old now.
I wonder how they look after 2015 season... It's enough me I can ID williamsii separated from those. Time will tell for sure, these may enjoy their first dormancy.

My another project is going well. Not much deaths, I have bit tray of williamsii, I water them very less and basically never do anything for them. Maybe fertile them next year and water or so.. Ofc I water some but very small amounts.
There plants I have tried to push limits with watering and fertilizing so therefore death plants over the 1,5years or so is obvious. But aferall I don't need too water prone lophs. Seems there are 2/3 willys and 1/3 those l. koehresii.. and there were same amount of both seeds, those koehresii seedlings seems to be more prone to water like diffusa and fricii species. Willys tolerate pretty much water, especially in hot.
I had 100 seeds and now I have 25 plants.. Didn't count how many germinated but if looking first posts, they germinated well, it's just my watering I have done for these and tried to push limits of lophophora. It's nice to know I have lophs tolerate watering only way to find out is just water and see what are going to stay alive and what rot... 
What I have done for these also, after first transplant I have used pretty constant fertilizing with some N and high PK and used various ferilizer brands etc.. I have bottle of PK-fertilizer what I have used for these very much.
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#20733339 - 10/21/14 12:42 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lophs have been without water now over a month.. Temps have been some +19C..+25C day and some +14C..+18C night time. These receive only ~8hours of day light atm.
Dormant have been started, pics taken at 10/21/2014:
 Some have been started to shrink underground.. These had some water when I transplanted these because coco coir had some moisture, but not so much I could say these have got any drink since last time.
I don't know yet what is willy and what is koehresii, soon I find out it!
So I just wait and don't do anything for these before sun starts to shine again..
I'll probably update next time at spring of 2015.
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
#20965553 - 12/12/14 07:34 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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intelligentlife said: Lophs have been without water now over a month.. Temps have been some +19C..+25C day and some +14C..+18C night time. These receive only ~8hours of day light atm.
Dormant have been started, pics taken at 10/21/2014:
 Some have been started to shrink underground.. These had some water when I transplanted these because coco coir had some moisture, but not so much I could say these have got any drink since last time.
I don't know yet what is willy and what is koehresii, soon I find out it!
So I just wait and don't do anything for these before sun starts to shine again..
I'll probably update next time at spring of 2015.
Excited to get some seeds to do just this!
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: Kman1898]
#20993202 - 12/18/14 09:01 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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1,5year old, x-mas update
Some early winter update. I give some 3months of dormancy and cold for them, after they were sink underground I moved these under 72W fluoro. Today watered first time since summer.
Those scars have happened to few plants as well. I tested to add strong N coco coir for cactus plants, and transplanted before winter. I now find out what kidn of N burns look like. Plants I haven't transplant haven't got this kind of burns.
Still they are ok, once they had water spray to "wake up" them from dormancy. Soon I should see plump up plants. Light cycle is 18/6 atm. I usually don't break dormancy but this I want to push limits and see how fast own root peyote grows, I probably doesn't need to use fertilizers for them long time..
 12/18/2014, total of 18month old lophophora (I decided to wate them after they were week under light and heat of +30C day and under +20C night)

I don't suggest to transplant before winter, especilly to rich soil! (This is just thread I test things and push limits. These have received 3months of hibernation time, Trying to see is that ok, rest plants will be in hibernation 6-6,5months. I think it's OK as long as I don't mix up "winter" and "summer" ..I fake spring time for them since summer time isn't dark here at all when I use sun. So I planned to take these and start grow under CFL, not keep them in hibernation till march like others.
When summer comes, I'm sure these burst to grow because of fertile soil and scars will go away.
Some extra as well of seedlings and so on I have Project going on, testing that strong fertilized coco coir as it is to grow from seed as well. Started some time ago. Square pot = Peyote&mammillaria mix(i tested to ruin seeds with frost, microwave and so on, sill pot is full of seedlings. Everything on them is mixed breed of my plants, mammillaria formosa and lophophora williamsii. I can later separate mammillaria out of lophs. Round pot I have Astrophytum asterias var. superkabuto, as well as three astrophytum grafts from those, I will see how fast this speed up the growth.. As well as I am testing how they do in pure coco coir, with very rich fertilized coco coir(already was commercial and fertilized coir)
Astrophytum grafts, 3days old.

Everything:
 So far seems coco coir doesn't have any mold nor moss and algae growing on it. Now I get why commercial growers use this to get fast grown cactus plants.
Peeking Another Project And my Project number "something" Tray full of peyote, I've drill holes to this, used non-fertilized coco coir, perlite and lava rocks/pumice. These as well spent 3months in cold, week ago got first watering.. They reach age of 1year at spring of 2015. All kind of peyote from different location mixed. I have sown 600 seeds to this tray, some plants rotten, some dried up etc, best have been survived. I give as well early spring to these cute plants. And I flush this whole tray full of water soem week ago after 4months in dry and cold, before watering, I make sure they have got heat and light some week or two.
 These plants haven't been under the humid dome for long time.

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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: intelligentlife]
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Holy crap,quit posting,you're going to make me late for work! Dang man,ok,I now know I have rework my cactus seeds germination methods,because I haven't got shit on yours,those are fantastico I really believe my shitty soil,and taking the dome off early caused the downfall in mine They are all still alive and doing well though,but they kinda look like shit,and they are mostly all red. Now,I'm going to start taking all the advice people try to give me on here to heart
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Re: Lophophora Cultivation from seed with mini-greenhouse and heating pad. [Blog style project going] [Re: kactus.brand.g]
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Kactus.brand.g is right. But I don't have a job so who cares. Everything looks beautiful man. One thing for me is that I always manage to kill a few or 20. Really sucks but the ones that do make it usually have a good life.
Awesome looking peyoots IL.
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kactus.brand.g; I never keep long time humidity, as well when I use extra heating I don't necessary water them so often. All my humid domes have air circulation holes as well. Sometimes soil goes dry at very young age of seedlings but after all, these grows at very rough desert. They need to be tolerate times when water absence may be long. And when it rains, it rain so much some plants really get under water beause dry desert mud isn't best what comes to water going trough the earth.
I don't think "taking the dome early off" effect so much.. But in order to do so you have to acclimatize your plants from day one in humid dome with holes on it, then start taking it off and keeping it on, then after that you can remove the humidity dome. IF you keep very hot and humid without proper air circulation and suddenly take dome off, longer they have establish to humid, easier they shock from it you take the dome off.
That green tray with lots of peyote, they had only one month humidity dome, then one month goes I kept them day or two without dome and then add it back for some time. For example: dome on 4-5days in week, rest days without it. They slowy adjust to dry environment. N' You can grow peyote in humidity dome like one year but it's not so easy to adjust them to dry. I've seen it's easier to let them exerience humidity drop even at few week old seedlings. Just not instat humidity remove.
Humidity isn't the factor, it's patience and learning trough mistakes. Without any mistake, you don't know those necessary DONT'S there are few of them. If you learn only DO:s, your actions most likely isn't always good. With cacti, there shoúld not be any instant and sudden dramatic actions.
Reason why seedlings go red is; dehydration or most likely too much light. Seedlings do fine in poor light, light can be increased slowly etc.Example: give strong sun day or two and rest days keep them under lights. In very hot country where sun is strong, it should be filtered. But seems to work I give day or two strog light, rest days under fluoro.
Most people think cactus grow faster when you give powerful lights or so, with light you still need heat. Even warm countries, I dont see it's bad to use heating mat, it actually forgive you few waterings if you happen to water them soo much. Also cactus plants are used to hot and heat so I don't see thee is too high temperatures, nights just need to be cool to balance hot days because after all, seems average temperature of whole day matters.
With potted plants it's different.
Seems perlite and other may not be need. Soil can be anything, it's not matter of it. In habitat lophophora grow in very random spots(I mean another places can be more rainy and fertile or different pH of soil and so on.
IF you use organic soil, you should microwave it before move it to humidity, organic "black soil" commonly used to grow house plants isn't always the best choice, not even all "cactuss soil" bags.
So far coco coir is good material to keep in humid, and when rocks and perlite isn't there, moss and algea will not start to grow. Even I have not seen any harm moss or algae grow along seedlings. But later on I suggest to use rocks and perlite(when dry and wet cycle begins and seedlings have been taken away from their first container.
If I remember right, I paid for that coco coir some 10€ and got 20Liter bag of it.. Cheap stuff. For adult cactus I would not use it alone tho.
What comes to these plants, I baby them like one time per month, dormant plants I don't even look for long time. For example, these pics I posted. I just water them, took picture, then moved under lights and forget them.. I usually feel when it's "long enough" to go and check plants. IF I am not sure I keep on my absence till I see and feel it's ready to nurse them.
It's fact most people just worry about what is going on.. "is it too much water, is too less water, have I done wrong?" -forget these. If no one look after them in habitat, why they should be taken care of so much in cultivation?
One flush of coco coir to very wet -> seeds to surface -> move pot in to dome -> see it after month(except if you use organic soil what may mold so they should be kee on eye more often.
Just do and test different things, build seedling grow style A, B, C, D and so on and see what is best, also test differet soils.
I have actually failed my first yers before I actually got indea to use extra heat to mimic desert environment indoors, hot days and seems it worked. Then I bought several cheap water-proof heating mats and use them with timer. Always on when it's light and even before night heating can turn off, you can keep heating cycle of 12/12 and light cycle of 20/4.
Most failures I experienced without extra heat, but my climate is too cold anyway so it was necessary but I dare to say it works in any climate and makes things almost "idiot proof" with germination and seeds. But if it's on 24hours, it's as bad as without heating.
I have grown lots of peoyte with peeskiopsis as stock and degraft them at size of 1,5-3cm. Just before they reach size of flowering. Pereskiopsis grafts I learned also trough many failures till I find right way to o it. I didn' give up on those and tried all new till good results started to show. To learn what not to do, you need to sacrifice seedlings and prepare it your methods may not work.
When you find nice tek for your style, then start improving it. I have lots lots of adults, seedling and seeds to fail, but I sure kow what isn't good to do...Don't give up if you fail several times you can't fail if you have fail enough to learn what you shoud not do! 
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ferrel_human said: Kactus.brand.g is right. But I don't have a job so who cares. Everything looks beautiful man. One thing for me is that I always manage to kill a few or 20. Really sucks but the ones that do make it usually have a good life.
Awesome looking peyoots IL.
That's reason I sow all seed at once.. Because I can get off the most rot prone plants, they simply dies. Some can't handle droughts I give and they die, but I like it most because only best seedlings go on. Similar to evolution. I create environment = most survive but those what doesn't are not probably worth of growing.
Some just can't handle the water even as seedlings or they simpy die, some need water and die to droughts, maybe some have died to fertilizers as well. It happens, but atleast from seed, I know their capability to handle water and temperatures.
Thanks for compliments and reply..
(and yes, this thread is just done so people can lear and see pictures and "diary"-like text with other people questions as well.. It's also fun to keep track of these and so on as well as it's rewarding to share own experiences. 
I Hope your projecs goes as well Ferrel! You have nice collecion!
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Thanks man. Maybe next time around I order a thousand seed pack.
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ferrel_human said: Thanks man. Maybe next time around I order a thousand seed pack. 
I have not much use for seeds, they want new home and like to travel in
Usually after summer I have like thousands seeds or so.. Yesterday I picked up seeds from old fruits, I just have missed to see them nor haven't been interest to pick them. Add them to paper bag and also soon my CFL grafted plants grow fruits soon because they have flowered very much compared to the fact they are under fluoro.
My seeds typically like to go away By accident, especially when it' summer I have no use fo them.. They are like this when waiting new home in my storage;
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