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 Psilocybe medullosa in Europe 
#20988490 - 12/17/14 11:40 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hi ,
I need your opinion:
In auvergne region in france today.
It starts froze since 1 week only.
* altitude 1000 m. Growing on a pine clearing area ( maybe 3-2 years ago ? )
* color; brown then when it become drying yellowish
* the stem length : 1 to 10cm
* the cap diameter : 1 to 5 cm
* Spore print color: brown ( I'm waiting for a nice print...but they look more brown than purple ?? )
* Scent of the mushroom : semileanceata ;-)
* not really separatable gelatinous pelicle
* not blussing ( or just a little bit on some myc )
.......???.....they are similar as "silvatica" but ????...
thanks for your help...
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Re: Psilocybus medullosa/ silvatica in Europe ? [Re: jobong]
#20988560 - 12/17/14 12:00 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Interesting. Nice collection, too.
Compare between Psilocybe silvatica and Psilocybe pelliculosa. DNA sequencing will be helpful with identifying this collection.
Below are descriptions from The Genus Psilocybe by Dr. Gaston Guzman.
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Re: Psilocybus medullosa/ silvatica in Europe ? [Re: jobong]
#20988649 - 12/17/14 12:18 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Only referring to what I've seen in pictures, this looks more promising for P. pelliculosa than P. silvatica/medullosa, imo.
If possible take several prints, and pictures of them. Gill shots and close up shots of the stem(s) would help a lot.
You sure there is/was no pellicle?
If you can, you should keep checking this spot regularly the next week, as often as possible.
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Re: Psilocybus medullosa/ silvatica in Europe ? [Re: Anglerfish]
#20988745 - 12/17/14 12:43 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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since in europe i would suggest Psilocybe fuscofulva
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Re: Psilocybus medullosa/ silvatica in Europe ? [Re: Anglerfish]
#20988831 - 12/17/14 01:00 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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the stems are darker than semilanceata. dark and white top down. there is a separate gellatinous on the cap, but it is very fragile and difficult to remove on the small mush.
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since in europe i would suggest Psilocybe fuscofulva
I don't know this specie, i let check it. Thanks...
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Re: Psilocybus medullosa/ silvatica in Europe ? [Re: jobong]
#20988844 - 12/17/14 01:02 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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jobong said:
the stems are darker than semilanceata. dark and white top down. there is a separate gellatinous on the cap, but it is very fragile and difficult to remove on the small mush.
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since in europe i would suggest Psilocybe fuscofulva
I don't know this specie, i let check it. Thanks...
its essentially the european silvatica
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Re: Psilocybus medullosa/ silvatica in Europe ? [Re: jobong]
#20988908 - 12/17/14 01:18 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I showed this thread to Jan Borovicka and he said that this is probably Psilocybe medullosa. Better photos and a spore print would help - some Galerina species can look similar.
He also said that P. pelliculosa was reported from Europe, probably erroneously.
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whats the difference between Psilocybe medullosa and Psilocybe fuscofulva ugh oh, maybe im mixing up taxons again...
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Re: Psilocybus medullosa/ silvatica in Europe ? [Re: Joust]
#20989016 - 12/17/14 01:47 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Psilocybe medullosa is the European version of P. silvatica.
P. fuscofulva is the more correct name for Psilocybe atrobrunnea.
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Quote:
Alan Rockefeller said:
Psilocybe medullosa is the European version of P. silvatica.
P. fuscofulva is the more correct name for Psilocybe atrobrunnea.
wow.... i had that wrong. thanks alan, ill look at the fuscofulva paper.
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Re: Psilocybus medullosa/ silvatica in Europe ? [Re: Joust]
#20989184 - 12/17/14 02:34 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I found this mush in a place of pin's forest (probably pinus sylvestris) who was clearing 2 or 3 years ago, just next to a carex field of semilenceata.
I found it Only in one place, big as 100 square meter, and it was a big flush ( weathers conditions was nice... almost snowing and cold ^^)
More pictures:
Nice size:
pellicule not really present:
spore print more brown than purple ? :
let's dream...
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Re: Psilocybus medullosa/ silvatica in Europe ? [Re: jobong]
#20989241 - 12/17/14 02:47 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Those lamellae look pretty distant to me, that's interesting.
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Re: Psilocybus medullosa/ silvatica in Europe ? [Re: jobong]
#20989315 - 12/17/14 03:07 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Seems to me Psilocybe medullosa is a good match, looking at the following Swedish finds
of Phaeogalera medullosa which is a former name for it.
http://www.stridvall.se/fungi/gallery/Phaeogalera
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Re: Psilocybus medullosa/ silvatica in Europe ? [Re: Anglerfish]
#20989375 - 12/17/14 03:17 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Seems to me Psilocybe medullosa is a good match, looking at the following Swedish finds
of Phaeogalera medullosa which is a former name for it.
http://www.stridvall.se/fungi/gallery/Phaeogalera
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Re: Psilocybus medullosa/ silvatica in Europe ? [Re: Anglerfish]
#20989686 - 12/17/14 04:23 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anglerfish said:
Seems to me Psilocybe medullosa is a good match, looking at the following Swedish finds
of Phaeogalera medullosa which is a former name for it.
http://www.stridvall.se/fungi/gallery/Phaeogalera
cool!
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Re: Psilocybus medullosa/ silvatica in Europe ? [Re: Joust]
#20989700 - 12/17/14 04:26 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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They sorta look a lot like P. pelliculosa. 
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They sorta look a lot like P. pelliculosa.
or the same, but maybe micro and dna are different for that taxon
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Quote:
They sorta look a lot like P. pelliculosa.
for me the stem are different, less dark in Quote:
Pelliculosa
??
http://www.shroomery.org/12509/Psilocybe-pelliculosa
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Re: Psilocybus medullosa/ silvatica in Europe ? [Re: jobong]
#20991417 - 12/17/14 09:57 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Whatever happens please get samples sent for micro/DNA. 
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Re: Psilocybus medullosa/ silvatica in Europe ? [Re: Anglerfish]
#20992504 - 12/18/14 02:43 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anglerfish said:
Whatever happens please get samples sent for micro/DNA.
You can expect this thread to be bumped in a few months when lab results are in.
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