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Dalai Lama concedes he may be the last
#20988043 - 12/17/14 06:52 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dalai Lama concedes he may be the last
Exiled Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama has said he realises that he may be the last to hold the title.
But he told the BBC it would be better that the centuries-old tradition ceased "at the time of a popular Dalai Lama".
The Dalai Lama suggested the UK had taken a soft line with China over Hong Kong's recent student-led pro-democracy protests for financial reasons.
He also said the international community needed to do more to encourage democracy in China.
"China very much wants to join the mainstream world economy," he said.
"They should be welcome, but at the same time the free world has a moral responsibility to bring China into mainstream democracy - for China's own interests."
'Moral responsibility' The Dalai Lama fled to India in 1959 after Chinese troops crushed an attempted uprising in Tibet.
Beijing views the Nobel Peace Prize-winner as a "splittist", though he now advocates a "middle way" with China, seeking autonomy but not independence for Tibet.
In a wide-ranging interview with the BBC's Newsnight programme, during a visit to Rome for the 14th World Summit of Nobel Laureates, the 79-year-old spiritual leader conceded that he may not have a successor.
Whether another Dalai Lama came after him would depend on the circumstances after his death and was "up to the Tibetan people", he said.
He pointed out that the role no longer included political responsibilities; in 2011 the Dalai Lama handed these to an elected leader of the Tibetan government in exile, Lobsang Sangay.
The move was seen by many as a way the Dalai Lama could ensure the Tibetan community would have an elected leader in place outside the control of China.
China has said repeatedly that it will choose the next Dalai Lama.
"The Dalai Lama institution will cease one day. These man-made institutions will cease," the Dalai Lama told the BBC.
"There is no guarantee that some stupid Dalai Lama won't come next, who will disgrace himself or herself. That would be very sad. So, much better that a centuries-old tradition should cease at the time of a quite popular Dalai Lama."
Tibetan Buddhism's second-highest figure is the Panchen Lama - a figure who is meant to play a key role in the choice of the next Dalai Lama.
A young boy was named as Panchen Lama by the Dalai Lama in 1995, but China rejected this and chose its own candidate. The whereabouts of the Dalai Lama's choice are unknown.
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Re: Dalai Lama concedes he may be the last [Re: Confucian] 2
#20988101 - 12/17/14 07:29 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Man, Dolly would make THEEEE perfect name for a llama.
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Re: Dalai Lama concedes he may be the last [Re: Shroomopotamus]
#20988298 - 12/17/14 08:48 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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No one else wants to step up to the throne?
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Re: Dalai Lama concedes he may be the last [Re: ShiVersblood]
#20988349 - 12/17/14 09:03 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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sounds like a power struggle to me.
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Re: Dalai Lama concedes he may be the last [Re: 404]
#20988447 - 12/17/14 09:30 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'll step up to the plate if none of you guys want the job
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Re: Dalai Lama concedes he may be the last [Re: BlunderSoftly]
#20988697 - 12/17/14 10:29 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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he's so politically correct nowadays. i thought dalai lamas were supposed to say stuff like "there are no accidents"
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Re: Dalai Lama concedes he may be the last [Re: ShiVersblood]
#20988753 - 12/17/14 10:45 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stealth1Vampire said: No one else wants to step up to the throne?
The Dalai Lama doesn't choose too be granted the title but rather he is chosen by a committee of higher up Lamas. Once the Dalai Lama dies the committee meets and meditates for days having visions and dreams of where the Dalai Lama has reincarnated. They then go out and search for boys who might fit the description and take them back and test them. This could take years to complete and the Dalai Lama is chosen based on the child's answers to these tests, specific items he chooses and by the opinions of the previous Lama's servants.
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Re: Dalai Lama concedes he may be the last [Re: EL F00LI0]
#20988783 - 12/17/14 10:50 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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EL F00LI0 said:
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Stealth1Vampire said: No one else wants to step up to the throne?
The Dalai Lama doesn't choose too be granted the title but rather he is chosen by a committee of higher up Lamas. Once the Dalai Lama dies the committee meets and meditates for days having visions and dreams of where the Dalai Lama has reincarnated. They then go out and search for boys who might fit the description and take them back and test them. This could take years to complete and the Dalai Lama is chosen based on the child's answers to these tests, specific items he chooses and by the opinions of the previous Lama's servants.
what a hassle. they believe we are all one already so why dont they just pick a name out of a hat
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Re: Dalai Lama concedes he may be the last [Re: Envix]
#20988851 - 12/17/14 11:05 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because the Dalai Lama is supposedly the reincarnation of a Buddha so it is important that they choose the correct one. When the Dalai Lama passes away he practices phowa which is the transference of consciousness so that he may be reborn again here to continue his practice and teachings.
What the current Dalai Lama is saying though about there most likely not being another Dalai Lama is that the Chinese are going to claim that they have found the new Dalai Lama and will just appoint him as leader since Tibet is in their control right now. Basically they are going to appoint whatever puppet they deem worthy for them to maintain power over Tibet.
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Re: Dalai Lama concedes he may be the last [Re: EL F00LI0]
#20988913 - 12/17/14 11:19 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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the buddha can't be reincarnated because he's already attained nirvana
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Re: Dalai Lama concedes he may be the last [Re: Envix]
#20988915 - 12/17/14 11:20 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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it was all explained in episode 42 of dragonball z
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Re: Dalai Lama concedes he may be the last [Re: Envix]
#20988922 - 12/17/14 11:23 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Envix said: the buddha can't be reincarnated because he's already attained nirvana
There isn't just one Buddha, technically we are all Buddha's but just need to awaken the Buddha nature within. And there's one Buddha, who's name I can't remember at the moment, who purposefully stayed behind to be reincarnated here and vowed he wouldn't leave this earth until all beings had been liberated from suffering. It's the same Buddha that the Dalai Lama is supposed to be if I remember correctly.
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Re: Dalai Lama concedes he may be the last [Re: EL F00LI0]
#20988945 - 12/17/14 11:28 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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so there was one buddha who was just like "kay peace" and left us for nirvana
and there was another buddha whos like "ima stay and help all u fuckers get enlightened"
but now he's here in his final form saying "kay peace, not gonna be another" LOL thanx buddha 2
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Re: Dalai Lama concedes he may be the last [Re: Envix]
#20988959 - 12/17/14 11:32 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well you don't just "go" to Nirvana, Nirvana is a state of mind achieved during enlightenment. The current Dalai Lama isn't saying he won't be reincarnated, just simply his reincarnation won't be chosen as the next Dalai Lama because of the Chinese government's occupation of Tibet.
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Re: Dalai Lama concedes he may be the last [Re: EL F00LI0] 1
#20989007 - 12/17/14 11:44 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Supposedly once someone reaches enlightenment, most are pretty much catapulted out of their physical body. Very few are able to maintain the human vessel. At least this is what I have been told by a few "wise" men including one of which being the man named Sadhguru.
The one most people refer to as "The Buddha" was a prince by the name of Siddhartha Guatama. He is considered the first to teach the Middle Way and the Eightfold Path. Some, like Siddhartha, who achieve this state of buddhahood wish to share their knowledge with the rest of humanity and so do not yet move on to the next realm of existence. These reincarnated buddhas are called Bodhisattvas.
At least this is the impression I am under. Surely most will disagree about the whole catapult thing.
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Re: Dalai Lama concedes he may be the last [Re: EL F00LI0]
#20989332 - 12/17/14 01:10 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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EL F00LI0 said: Because the Dalai Lama is supposedly the reincarnation of a Buddha so it is important that they choose the correct one. When the Dalai Lama passes away he practices phowa which is the transference of consciousness so that he may be reborn again here to continue his practice and teachings.
What the current Dalai Lama is saying though about there most likely not being another Dalai Lama is that the Chinese are going to claim that they have found the new Dalai Lama and will just appoint him as leader since Tibet is in their control right now. Basically they are going to appoint whatever puppet they deem worthy for them to maintain power over Tibet.
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