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Brewing Kombucha from Mushroom Tea
    #20851321 - 11/17/14 03:38 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

The idea of psychedelic kombucha is very interesting to me. So I've been thinking of ways to make it possible.

Just boiling mushrooms in kombucha would probably work, but it would destroy the fizzyness and life inside of the kombucha itself, so this seems like a boring alternative.

The other simple alternative would be boil the mushroom tea, let it cool, and then mix it with kombucha (once again, boring).

But what if you brewed kombucha from using boiled water that has already been used to extract psilocybin? Boil up the mushrooms before hand, and go on with the normal process, infusing the teas, and adding the scoby and all that.

These are the main questions behind this experiment (that I unfortunately cannot do at the moment)

1- Would the psylocibin get denatured through time/vinegary solution/scoby digestion?

2-Would the scoby react in any way to the concentrated content of the psilocybin?

3- Would the kombucha solution alter or make dangerous any of the active ingredients?

Tripping comes a lot from expectations, and I think starting one with a shot of something that tastes "magical" would be an interesting turn of events.

What are your thoughts?


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Re: Brewing Kombucha from Mushroom Tea [Re: RideAllBears]
    #20851781 - 11/17/14 05:10 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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1- Would the psylocibin get denatured through time/vinegary solution/scoby digestion?

2-Would the scoby react in any way to the concentrated content of the psilocybin?

3- Would the kombucha solution alter or make dangerous any of the active ingredients?




First of all, bleech, but OK

1) not likely, but extract it into acidified water first

2) one could only hope

3) again, not likely

Guess you should just try it and see... :thumbup:


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Re: Brewing Kombucha from Mushroom Tea [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #20851814 - 11/17/14 05:17 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Not a fan of kombucha I presume haha?

I wish I was cooky enough to believe that the psylocibin would make the scooby trip balls, and thus brew an entirely new substance. One can dream...


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Re: Brewing Kombucha from Mushroom Tea [Re: RideAllBears]
    #20852088 - 11/17/14 06:08 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Did I say that? :lol: It rates above slime mold infusions in my book, but do with it what you will. :thumbup:

There is a rich history of psychedelic combinations and you just might discover one. :awecid:

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Re: Brewing Kombucha from Mushroom Tea [Re: RideAllBears]
    #20852621 - 11/17/14 07:47 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Doing a nice chemical extraction on mushrooms* is the only respectable way to add it to foods and beverages. Anybody who doesn't recognize this lacks taste. Adding fungal material to chocolates and things like that is anti-epicurean.


*Casale JF. 1985. An aqueous-organic extraction method for the isolation and identification of psilocin from hallucinogenic mushrooms. Journal of Forensic Science, 30, 247-250.

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Re: Brewing Kombucha from Mushroom Tea [Re: s240779]
    #20854264 - 11/18/14 04:33 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I *love* Kombucha, but mushrooms taste so gross that I can only imagine how nasty that tea would be. I'd be more interested on the effects of the tea itself, as Kombucha has always done wonders to my body.


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Re: Brewing Kombucha from Mushroom Tea [Re: Vahn421]
    #20854292 - 11/18/14 04:59 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

THe flavor should be easy to mask by adding mint or whatever tea and honey before the scoby does its job.

I just think it would be an awesome medium for beginning a trip. Like downing ayahuasca, except more fizzy and less rotting matter tasting.


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Re: Brewing Kombucha from Mushroom Tea [Re: RideAllBears]
    #20856736 - 11/18/14 04:21 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

i came up with a thread on this in the past, before i have ever actually made kombucha and understood that it isn't actually a mushroom/fungus but a yeast culture. also i had other reasons i wanted to do this which were different from yours.

my best advice for this would be to add a sort of concentrated mushroom tea during the bottling along with some strong flavorings to mask the mushroom taste. i see know reason in that not working... also if you bottle with some regular kombucha from the same fermentation using the same flavors and everything, just no mushroom tea. you can compare the baby scobys in the 2 bottles and determine if the mushroom addition hindered the growth of the baby scobys and assume that it will act on the mother scoby similarly.


really i don't see any reason this won't work. the mushroom tea won't be alive and should not compete with the scoby, and the kombucha pH should keep the mushroom tea from rotting.


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Re: Brewing Kombucha from Mushroom Tea [Re: SurReality]
    #20856801 - 11/18/14 04:42 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

also i just thought of something interesting. you could bottle the kombucha with a dose or several of dry shrooms (naturally you don't drink a whole bottle at once). the acidity of the bucha will convert psilocybin to psilocyn, assuming the lemon tek is true (i think it is). and you will end up with dosed kombucha that you can split with a friend or more depending on how strong its dosed, strain or decant it so you don't get a rehydrated boomer in your drink (unless you want that)...


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Re: Brewing Kombucha from Mushroom Tea [Re: SurReality]
    #20859100 - 11/19/14 06:28 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, all of those are sure methods to make this work. But if adding mushroom tea to the beginning process, and being able to keep it bottled and with potency, then that is just an awesome technique, plus inconspicuous.


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Re: Brewing Kombucha from Mushroom Tea [Re: RideAllBears]
    #20859871 - 11/19/14 11:28 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

right... but you still need to have the mushrooms to make the mushroom tea...

i also desired discretion when i thought of this. at first i thought maybe grow an LC with a SCOBY. it was said (probably true) that mycelium won't grow in the acidity of kombucha....

BUT i was thinking maybe grow an LC separate (looks nothing like mushrooms to most), most ppl may assume its just some other kombucha culture. especially if the person is an authoritative figure who knows nothing of kombucha or mushrooms. if only you could get an LC concentrated enough you might be able to get a dose from like 6fl oz... then you could combine during the bottling.

just theory. but to theorize/entertain ideas of discretion... if you never actually grow mushrooms to trip on psilocybin/psilocyn... thats pretty damn discrete.


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Re: Brewing Kombucha from Mushroom Tea [Re: SurReality]
    #20860127 - 11/19/14 12:36 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Does no one else thnk that doing this is going to catalyze some sort of evolution in the bacteria cells that will result in a new species and possibly intelligent life?

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Re: Brewing Kombucha from Mushroom Tea [Re: underfliptown]
    #20860197 - 11/19/14 12:58 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

One can only hope.


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Re: Brewing Kombucha from Mushroom Tea [Re: RideAllBears] * 1
    #20978593 - 12/15/14 09:04 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I was just reading this thread about something very similar.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18684896#18684896


They were discussing creating a scoby with mushrooms that actually produce psylocin... the thread kind of died off though, without actual results.


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Re: Brewing Kombucha from Mushroom Tea [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #20982293 - 12/15/14 10:00 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

thanks for sharing


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Re: Brewing Kombucha from Mushroom Tea [Re: SurReality]
    #20982294 - 12/15/14 10:01 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Brewing Kombucha from Mushroom Tea [Re: underfliptown]
    #20982758 - 12/16/14 12:14 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Absolutely. I dont know enough about the topic to know if a psilocin producing scoby could even be created, but it definitely had my interest. A shame the experiment just seemed to fizzle out.


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Re: Brewing Kombucha from Mushroom Tea [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #20983404 - 12/16/14 07:19 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

You could just do a CWE with shrooms, so just add them to your drink and let it steep for a couple of days, then filter them out again
Works just like a tea, but takes longer because of low temp, this is best used with fresh shrooms, because they are more heat sensitive

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