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What could I grow in my area? Slash Pine Logs?
    #20979502 - 12/15/14 01:03 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Greetings All,

I just started a little while with indoor kits - so far so good.  I would like to move on to the great outdoors with logs  - I have a 10' x 10 ft' "open shed" (basically a shed with concrete floor with 4 feet tall walls - then 4 feet of air...then roof - I think it was initially built to store hay bales?)  - I would just need to add a door and screening for all the open areas?

I am located in South Florida, where the temps range from 45 F degrees at night during winter (60-75 F degrees during the day to 96 F degrees during summer (with near guarantee 90%+ humidity everyday) - From my findings - it looks like the only species I can grow without worry about killing it during the summer is the Phoenix Oyster.  Any other species that can handle the high heat?  Pink Oysters maybe?  Reishi? Shitake is probably a no?

Luckily if the Phoenix Oyster Mushroom is a good candidate - it seems to like conifer trees.  However materials I have read suggest to use firs and other pines that are not native to my area.  Would Slash Pines be usable?  Slash Pines are easily available in my area - on landscape pickup day I usually drive by at least 2-3 piles with freshly cut slash pine logs.  On a side note, any uses for Palm Tree logs?


Thanks in advance!

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Re: What could I grow in my area? Slash Pine Logs? [Re: Oyster_Bob]
    #20982493 - 12/15/14 11:08 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Phoenix oyster, pink oyster (maybe yellow too?), reishi, and maybe even the right strain of shiitake (there's quite a variety of cold and warm weather strains available) should be fine at those temps.  Also look into Calocybe indica, that's an interesting one that likes it warm, and not many people in the US have gotten into yet.

As far as substrate, oysters and reishi will grow on pretty much anything (again, different strains will have different properties), but other than that I don't know much about wood types, so maybe someone else can help there :smile:


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Re: What could I grow in my area? Slash Pine Logs? [Re: Forrester]
    #20982554 - 12/15/14 11:25 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

You should have cottonwood trees in florida, too, no? all the species you mentioned should grow on cottonwood logs.

i'm not sure any commercial culture will grow on pine logs. see if you can find a wild oyster growing on pines and clone it. you could try pleurotus pulmonarius...its worth a shot. they say it grows on pine sawdust/woodchips but they are aged and heat treated in a kiln. i don't think it will work on fresh cut logs but anything's worth trying once. i'd be interested to find out if that works for you.

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Re: What could I grow in my area? Slash Pine Logs? [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #20984199 - 12/16/14 11:35 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

The only edible species I have heard of growing on certain pines(maybe not yours) is L. sulphureus- Chicken of the Woods. I imagine actually cultivating on pines would take some time and there are so many variations of individual species that it would probably be a shot in the dark.

I'd be interested to hear from someone on the boards about a species that grows well on any pine.......


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Re: What could I grow in my area? Slash Pine Logs? [Re: Oyster_Bob]
    #20984215 - 12/16/14 11:39 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Just googled it and found this Pine Mushrooms

I'm not familiar with any of those pines but I would try it if I could get ahold of the culture.

Also this Pine-loving Oyster article


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Re: What could I grow in my area? Slash Pine Logs? [Re: Humbled]
    #20984477 - 12/16/14 12:40 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Matsutakes are mycorrhizal fungi. they won't grow on dead logs. they fruit from the base of living conifers

COTW is worth trying. I'd be interested to watch that experiment


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Re: What could I grow in my area? Slash Pine Logs? [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #20994761 - 12/18/14 03:33 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you everyone for your replies!

Psilocelium & knomadic_niki - Those are some neat looking strains - unfortunately they are from regions much cooler than my area, so I don't think they would fare so well :undecided:

In the event someone is searching if Slash Pines or Palm would be suitable for mushroom logs - I received an answer from Carlos at Fungi Perfecti:

"...Unfortunately most pines and all cedars are too strongly anti fungal for mushroom cultivation.  Your Slash pines (Pinus elliottii) will not be suitable for mushroom cultivation. A;lthough our expertise with tropical species is limited, you might see if any arborists in your area can give you a lead on some good fresh hardwoods. I quickly read through your shroomery post. In it you mentioned palm trees. It would be very experimental, but you might be able to grow  pearl oyster(Plerotus ostreatus) on palm logs. Shiitake on the other hand would not work well with the palm logs...."

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Re: What could I grow in my area? Slash Pine Logs? [Re: Oyster_Bob]
    #20994819 - 12/18/14 03:45 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

pretty sure you could grow P pulmonarius in florida. just not sure about on pine wood. aren't there oak trees or cottonwoods around?


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Re: What could I grow in my area? Slash Pine Logs? [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #20995310 - 12/18/14 05:30 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Pulmonarius for sure, and I believe Pink Oysters like it on the warm side as well.

Like knormadic said, you should try to look for a different type of wood if at all possible. The growing will go so much more smoothly that way.


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Re: What could I grow in my area? Slash Pine Logs? [Re: Humbled]
    #20995722 - 12/18/14 06:49 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Here are some hot weather species:
  • Lentinus Squarrosulus
  • volvariella volvacea
  • Pleurotus tuberregium
  • Calocybe Indica


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Re: What could I grow in my area? Slash Pine Logs? [Re: Stupendous-Yappi]
    #20998124 - 12/19/14 09:17 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

thank you all!

Yes there are oaks down here - however I was hoping I could use the native trees (pines mostly) that most people trim and put out for bulk landscape pickup day - I guess I'll have to find some folks on craigslist to buy some logs now ;-)

though it seems palm tree logs (preferably coconut trees) seem to work with Reishi and Phoenix Oyster in some cases - if I have extra plugs I'll try them out and document the results....I have a coconut tree in the back yard that is dropping its coconuts now...maybe the husks can be used as substrate?....

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Re: What could I grow in my area? Slash Pine Logs? [Re: Oyster_Bob]
    #20998482 - 12/19/14 11:10 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Good luck in your experiments. I'm sure if you contact some arborists you'll find someone willing to give you some logs when they take a tree down. I suggest plugging some oak logs side by side with your experiments 1. so you don't experience such big loses if the experiments fail and 2. so you can compare side by side what they should look like

like you, i'm also into altering my methods to utilize local resources but it was helpful for me to start easy with reliable recipes and get comfortable with the methods and now i'm starting to experiment with variables.


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