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Laptop sharing a router? How hard is it to see activity?
    #20981180 - 12/15/14 06:19 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I have been using my neighbor's Wi-Fi with permission to get my laptop online. Last night they changed the password on me. Today I asked if I could get the new password. I was met with a very quick  "Ah no I can't give it to you anymore." There was a very stretchy tone to the answer too. I know that with special programs you can monitor and see what is going on with other computers on your network. How hard is it to monitor things like sites visited and files downloaded for just an average joe to see with an administrator account for the wifi owner? For example can my neighbor easily see that I am logging on to this site? If so what else could they see as far as activity from my laptop? Can they see files I have on my computer?


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Re: Laptop sharing a router? How hard is it to see activity? [Re: Willy Wonka]
    #20981356 - 12/15/14 06:53 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Easy for them to see what information Is being processed through their router.  Getting to your local files is unlikely.

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Re: Laptop sharing a router? How hard is it to see activity? [Re: Faustoid]
    #20981418 - 12/15/14 07:04 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

What does that mean? Can they see specifically what threads I was on or is it just that I am on this site?


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Re: Laptop sharing a router? How hard is it to see activity? [Re: Willy Wonka]
    #20981616 - 12/15/14 07:36 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

It depends on what kind of information Is supplied in the log files, normally it is the site and ip addresses involved.

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Re: Laptop sharing a router? How hard is it to see activity? [Re: Faustoid]
    #20981799 - 12/15/14 08:11 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

How about if the browsing was done via in private browsing?


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Re: Laptop sharing a router? How hard is it to see activity? [Re: Willy Wonka]
    #20982026 - 12/15/14 09:00 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I believe that just disallows cookies and refrains from adding stuff to your browsers  history. The data recorded the router shouldn't be affected by browsers private browsing options.

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Re: Laptop sharing a router? How hard is it to see activity? [Re: Faustoid]
    #20982430 - 12/15/14 10:47 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

You should be fine, most routers are configured to include encryption throughout the whole process, unless they turned it off or looked at the keys they didn't see what went through.
It's just a lot of work for not much pay off.
Another good way to keep people from reading stuff, is to use ssl/https everywhere you go.

Honestly though it sounds like the guy is just tired of slow internet and blames it on you.


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Re: Laptop sharing a router? How hard is it to see activity? [Re: Dew Moss]
    #20983527 - 12/16/14 08:11 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

WPA encryption prevents random bad guys parked outside from seeing your traffic, but will do nothing to protect you from someone else on the LAN. And even if the sites that you visit all support TLS, everyone else on the LAN can easily see which sites you're connecting to. They can't see the content of your communications, but the fact that you're connected isn't a secret. Metadata, baby!


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Re: Laptop sharing a router? How hard is it to see activity? [Re: Dew Moss]
    #20984045 - 12/16/14 10:53 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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You should be fine, most routers are configured to include encryption throughout the whole process, unless they turned it off or looked at the keys they didn't see what went through.



True, but even when using https, FETCHes are performed and the router can log the addresses/pages that are being requested. Therefore, it is possible for the owner/administrator of the router to see which addresses are being visited. With contemporary routers, this isn't particularly difficult, although it depends on the exact router that is being used.

Of course, there is a solution to this. Either use VPN to connect to a trusted network and access the internet through that network, or use TOR or a similar 'dark net' client to further protect/anonymize traffic.

But in the end, it seems to make the most sense to just have your own internet connection.

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Re: Laptop sharing a router? How hard is it to see activity? [Re: koraks]
    #20986237 - 12/16/14 07:32 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Right there will always be two ip's; yours and the address you are at. But really that is a bit for the average joe, plus there could be an array of different pages on that one site.

Privacy wise though, using a default proxy and vpn mixed will get you the best result and eliminate the issue.
But a vpn is quite expensive, and depending on privacy configuration a proxy can be slow.


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Re: Laptop sharing a router? How hard is it to see activity? [Re: Dew Moss]
    #21003304 - 12/20/14 01:57 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Anyone on a local network can use a simple mitm attack to intercept any unencrypted information coming from or going to any other computer on the network. In other words its totally possible that they have been watching every single thing that you have been doing, even in real time if they were so inclined.

Whether or not your neighbors are that savvy is another question. I would assume not. Most routers do keep some basic logs though which would include at the very least the IP addresses that your computer is sending packets to and receiving packets from, and if the router is handling your dns resolution (if your not sure, it probably is) it very likely logs the domain names of the websites you visit.


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Re: Laptop sharing a router? How hard is it to see activity? [Re: Willy Wonka]
    #21026827 - 12/26/14 02:02 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

By running a simple program know as wireshark, they can see what websites you're visiting, however if you're using SSL encryption they won't be able to read what data you're sending to a website. In order to do so, they would need your pair of public/private key which I doubt they would have.


However since your connection to the shroomery isn't using SSL unless you're a subscriber, they would easily be able to see what data you're sending to the shroomery. The one thing I believe is SSL encrypted is the initial authentication to the shroomery, but unless you're a subscriber everything after that is plain HTTP which is extremely easy to sniff.


However for the most part, I doubt your neighbor is tech savvy enough to do all this, and as one of the other posters said he was probably just tired of slow internet.

Edited by deadwk (12/26/14 02:11 AM)

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Re: Laptop sharing a router? How hard is it to see activity? [Re: deadwk]
    #21038429 - 12/29/14 08:16 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Routers save logs. It's not too hard to setup a rule, using your laptop's wireless MAC address, to say "record everything going in and out of this MAC address." and then they could just look at the websites, or bittorrent, tor, anything, and then go "nahh I'm not gonna share with you anymore"

In which case, fair enough, move on.


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Re: Laptop sharing a router? How hard is it to see activity? [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #21043053 - 12/30/14 09:02 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Every router could do that, but not every router has the firmware and simplicity to do it.
Any router could do anything mentioned in this thread the real question is if the average joe would really hack up his router, or take the time to really care that much.
Answer undoubtedly would be no. Non-the-less if it was, nothing bad could happen other than being removed from the Internet or being profiled by police.
The latter only occurs if your neighbor is a huge dick.


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