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What about better years?
    #2098112 - 11/12/03 07:05 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

I have been hunting edible mushrooms for about 10 years, but this is my first year hunting psilocybies. I live in the puget sound area and have only found 1 small patch of baeos this year.

How common are the wood loving psylocybies (baeocystis,cyanascens, etc..) in more typical years. It took me over two weeks to find those baeos and I have found nothing after that. I know this has been a bad year for mushrooms in general.


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Re: What about better years? [Re: ]
    #2098874 - 11/12/03 10:13 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

Their abundance falls on the clearcuts and pasturelands providing spores and fertilizers from such places of the liquid kind and also the sod.

Lack of clearcuts causes a depreciation of the Cyans. The baeos and blue ringers (the latter includes P. stuntzii and P. fimetaria) are from pasturelands and all four are are cross dressers to the woodchips when in the topsoil under the chips.

There are disappearing pasturelanes and only a few dozen of so legal clearcuts in the PNW thanks to the spotted Owl. Because of this, The shrooms are sometimes scarce.

mj

And this year a lack of rain and an early freeze added too the loss of supply and demand.

Last year we had no freeze until March when we had a day of snow in March and another in April.

mj


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Re: What about better years? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2098978 - 11/12/03 10:42 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

Gee, I don't know whether to be bummed or psyched that clearcuts are becoming less common in Oregon. I mean, for one, the fungus that MJ described aren't as abundant, but on the other, the trees get to live. I think I'm more psyched than bummed. Hurray for the spotted owl!!!

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Re: What about better years? [Re: Signo]
    #2099060 - 11/12/03 11:10 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

Stupid hippy environmantalist!  :mad2:


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Re: What about better years? [Re: ]
    #2099097 - 11/12/03 11:17 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

Why would clear cutting matter? I mean if your getting the wood, your getting the wood regarless of weather it is via a clearcut or just picking trees here and there to cut. It doesn't seem that a lack of clearcuts would effect shroom avalibility. Ther shrooms still have wood chips to grow in regardless of how the wood was harvested. A lack of clearcuts would tend to just raise the price of the wood.

Even if people are buying less wood chips wouldn't the shrooms in the cities still reproduce and propigate via their own spore releasing?


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Re: What about better years? [Re: ]
    #2099676 - 11/13/03 01:58 AM (13 years, 24 days ago)

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Stupid hippy environmantalist!




How could you hunt for edibles without a forest to hunt in? I dont see how anyone would support clear cuts. Its just a genocide of beautiful land. Millions of years of evolution and biodiversity which formed is all lost with a clearcut. Its truely devistating to see.

Thank god for the environmentalists. Without them, we would be living in a concrete jungle with no way of connecting to our natural environment.


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Re: What about better years? [Re: ]
    #2101424 - 11/13/03 01:32 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Soft Rat, the clearcuts oprovide alder which is the primary habitat for Psilocybe cyabnescens. The mulch with spores from the woods is their most natural nman-made habitat. The mulch gets stacked i one location, a landscapping company loads trucks to their business, landscappers than transfer mulch to gardens. WHere the main mulch is stacked, the mycelia grows thooughyout it. AS the pile gets lower in sixze, new mulch is added on. This is how a company spreads the shrooms whroomout the city and region. You can crawl all day long in a patch of blue ringers or cyans and then go tot he next garden and crawl all you want. That does not mean the shrooms ill grow there the next year.

I am speaking of thirty years field observation of conditions for these shrooms and I do know of what I speak about the way they spread.

mj


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Re: What about better years? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2101596 - 11/13/03 02:11 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Hmmm :smile2:. But what I don't get is why is clear cutting essential to this proccess? Even with out clearcuting wood is still harvested ( albiet more expensivly ), the differcence is the trees are not all cut from one area, trees are picked and cut here and there while other trees are left standing.

Is it that the increased cost of alder via non-clearcuting methods causing places to be landscaped less often?


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Re: What about better years? [Re: ]
    #2101619 - 11/13/03 02:17 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Angry Shroom your point is well taken!  :lol: Its true that with out environmentalist creating a wonderful socialist ditatorship for all ofus, we would literally be living in concreate jungle cause there are so many people on earth that we need that much space ( the whole earth ) to house them and provide places for them to work etc..

Its a damn shame psychedellics are wasted on hippies!  :razz:


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Re: What about better years? [Re: ]
    #2103059 - 11/13/03 09:09 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

When cedar is loggeed out of a clearcut, the alder trees popp l up like cultivated corn, in rows in the pilings and in the cearings and along the logging roads. This is where the p. pelliculosas grow. When p. cyans sproes get in that area, the mulch which includs bark, saw dust and branches get moved to a storage area and that is where the spores congegate and the mycelia grows. Then as I noted above they get take to landscappers who end up putting them in gardens. RRight now the popular cheap mulch in Seattle is re red shaggy cedar and psilocyes do not grow in that medium.

And then they only grow for two to three yars and then the nutrients are all gone fromthe garden the shrooms disappear, although there are bullions of spores there. They have nothing left to feed on.

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Re: What about better years? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2103190 - 11/13/03 09:45 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

I thought the main reason we are not having a good season was due to the freeze?


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Re: What about better years? [Re: ]
    #2103316 - 11/13/03 10:12 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

perhaps you worship the boorish idol..


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Re: What about better years? [Re: ]
    #2105635 - 11/14/03 11:53 AM (13 years, 23 days ago)

We are having a fine season and still are. The main reason the season hasnt been producing many massive bare woodchiped cyan fruitings is the extremly dry and hot summer we had.


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Re: What about better years? [Re: cardboard]
    #2105778 - 11/14/03 12:32 PM (13 years, 23 days ago)

It is not because of a hot summer buit rather a loss of rain in the fall months.

mj

No matter the weather, the mycellium under the growund still grows real rwell. I just saw someones 9 pound collection of liberty caps from one field in Bellingham yeserday. And a smaller collection from a feriend who picked some in elsewhere in Skagit Valley. His were all dried, he had 6 druied ounces of libs.

So they are there, the woodchip varieties are what suffered from a lack of rain.

mj

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Re: What about better years? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2106777 - 11/14/03 04:54 PM (13 years, 23 days ago)

I must agree with mjshroomer - the lack of rain this year is what is hurting things at least in NW Oregon. The early frost didn't help but from what I am observing it didn't freeze too deeply and things appear to be recovering nicely.
I too note that alder chips/sawdust is not very commonly used any more as compared to 10 years ago or so. Someone should start commercial Shiitake farms with all the Alders growing everywhere. As one of the trees that fixes nitrogen in the soil they're good to have around, but they don't support much in the way of edible or active mushies compared to a Douglas fir/Hemlock or Douglas fir / sitka spruce forest.
As for clear cutting - it certainly seems to badly impact mushrooms in general. It takes a long time for chanterelles to return (if they do) and many other mycroryzal types seem never to return. Compared to an area where they "pick" trees clear cuts are mushroom wastelands by comparison. Elk, deer, bears and other wildlife like them though and the stumps produce some bumper crops of "chicken of the woods" and other wood rotter types of mushrooms. Like everything else clear cuts have their good and bad points.


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Re: What about better years? [Re: Werecat]
    #2116974 - 11/17/03 04:46 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

Well if clear cuts means more shrooms then I am all for em! :smile2:

Let us write letters to the govenor asking for a relaxing of clear cut regulations cause we want more shrooms!!!!  :lol:


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Re: What about better years? [Re: ]
    #2128674 - 11/22/03 03:19 AM (13 years, 15 days ago)

yeah fuck the trees, we wanna get high
[edit: no flaming of other users] :rolleyes:


Edited by concretefeet (11/22/03 03:32 AM)


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Re: What about better years? [Re: ]
    #2129120 - 11/22/03 02:37 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

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SoftRat said:
  Its a damn shame psychedellics are wasted on hippies!  :razz: 




Or ignorant closed minded people like you. RELAX


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Re: What about better years? [Re: Rebirtha]
    #2129324 - 11/22/03 05:41 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

let's keep this on topic everybody.


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