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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: akira_akuma]
    #20974922 - 12/14/14 11:20 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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adonai would mean master or lord and it's the plural of adon, there were
no less than a dozen names/titles for god in the old testament including
Elohim and El Shaddai. Yahweh is the most common in the old testament



maybe it implies Lord of Lords?





or that there is more than one god

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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #20974932 - 12/14/14 11:21 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Not just Jews.  Think X-Mas


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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20974939 - 12/14/14 11:22 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

probably because it saves them the trouble of having the send the Bible to the synagogue after they keel.

lazy.

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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: akira_akuma]
    #20974944 - 12/14/14 11:23 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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the reason YHWH isn't in the Old Testament (unless you get an edition that uses it) is obviously because using the name of God is forbidden. hence Adonai is used.





it's used like 6000 times in the old testament

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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #20974961 - 12/14/14 11:26 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Torah.  I find the term old testament highly offensive you goy.


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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #20974962 - 12/14/14 11:26 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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the reason YHWH isn't in the Old Testament (unless you get an edition that uses it) is obviously because using the name of God is forbidden. hence Adonai is used.





it's used like 6000 times in the old testament





https://www.blueletterbible.org/study/misc/name_god.cfm

Adonai (Lord, Master)
    (ad-o-noy')
    Lord, Master

Use in the Bible: In the Old Testament Adonai occurs 434 times. There are heavy uses of Adonai in Isaiah (e.g., Adonai Jehovah). It occurs 200 times in Ezekiel alone and appears 11 times in Daniel Chapter 9. Adonai is first used in Gen 15:2.

Yahweh (Lord, Jehovah)
    (yah-weh)
    Lord, Jehovah

Use in the Bible: In the Old Testament Yahweh occurs 6,519 times. This name is used more than any other name of God. Yahweh is first used in Gen 2:4.

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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #20974968 - 12/14/14 11:28 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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adonai would mean master or lord and it's the plural of adon, there were
no less than a dozen names/titles for god in the old testament including
Elohim and El Shaddai. Yahweh is the most common in the old testament



maybe it implies Lord of Lords?





or that there is more than one god



yep, true. but i have a suspicion that it's a special privilege of the word, denoted to God, that means "Lord of Lords", given that Jews believe that there is only one God. the Hebrew language is hard enough to know everything of, that most Jews probably wouldn't even know to be able to tell that maybe Adonai, and Adonai*, could have different meanings.

i mean Jewish grammarians have to study their own freakin' language for how long? years? decades?

i dunno, just a thought. but if there was an implication that there are many Lords, maybe it could be that Lord is considered in plural form because of the all-encompassing view of "Him".

sorta like the many Gods of Krsna. Shiva is Krsna, all Gods are Krsna.

could be sorta like that :shrug:

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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #20974983 - 12/14/14 11:32 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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the reason YHWH isn't in the Old Testament (unless you get an edition that uses it) is obviously because using the name of God is forbidden. hence Adonai is used.





it's used like 6000 times in the old testament



i was referring to the Bible that apparently PsychedelicSpirit read. some Bibles do not have the word YHWH, because it would considered forbidden. but most Torah (there) use the word now because despite the religion being taken quite seriously, most Jews are not fundamentalists.

but a fundamentalist's (as opposed to scholarly) Tanakh/Torah would probably not have the name of God written.

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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: akira_akuma]
    #20975013 - 12/14/14 11:38 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think it's quite the case that they're forbidden to write it, it's more that once you write it down the document becomes a holy object that has to be treated accordingly and can't just be discarded. People do the "G*d" thing even on websites just in case someone was to print it out. At least that's the impression I got from a site I was reading about Orthodox Jews a while back.

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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: akira_akuma]
    #20975067 - 12/14/14 11:53 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

yeah man, like i said.
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probably because it saves them the trouble of having the send the Bible to the synagogue after they keel.

lazy.



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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: Webster10]
    #20975112 - 12/14/14 12:04 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Who has said that US military intervention is the route we should go to prevent these killings?




Please tell me that you are joking....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_military_intervention_against_the_Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant

http://www.nbcnews.com/watch/nightly-news/obama-administration-yes-we-are-at-war-with-isis-328718915879

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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: akira_akuma]
    #20975123 - 12/14/14 12:08 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I could be wrong but my impression was that in the Torah they typically spell it out with the Hebrew letters for YHVH, but people substitute something else when reading it out loud.

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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: akira_akuma]
    #20975126 - 12/14/14 12:08 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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yep, true. but i have a suspicion that it's a special privilege of the word, denoted to God, that means "Lord of Lords", given that Jews believe that there is only one God.





Judaism was polytheistic in it's origins, during the exile of jews smaller
groups began to develop the monotheistic belief which is where the 'lord of
lords' belief comes into play as El Elyon, El Elyon is Canaanite god and it
transliterates to "god most high" and is one of the names of god in the old
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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: akira_akuma]
    #20975147 - 12/14/14 12:14 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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the reason YHWH isn't in the Old Testament (unless you get an edition that uses it) is obviously because using the name of God is forbidden. hence Adonai is used.





it's used like 6000 times in the old testament



i was referring to the Bible that apparently PsychedelicSpirit read. some Bibles do not have the word YHWH, because it would considered forbidden. but most Torah (there) use the word now because despite the religion being taken quite seriously, most Jews are not fundamentalists.

but a fundamentalist's (as opposed to scholarly) Tanakh/Torah would probably not have the name of God written.





many bible today are soft translations of the king james version,
apparently people are incapable of reading it so they need someone
to transcribe it into simple english, this doesnt mean it's not in
these bibles and being listed as the most common reference to god
I'm sure it has made it into most in one of the iterations of YHWH
or Yahweh. some like the mormon bible may refer to him as Elohim
more than it would YHWH

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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #20975174 - 12/14/14 12:22 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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I could be wrong but my impression was that in the Torah they typically spell it out with the Hebrew letters for YHVH, but people substitute something else when reading it out loud.



it totally depends, there are so many ways you can have a Torah be made.

יהוה is obviously the best way to write it, considering it's the origin language.

Yevah would be how i think it's pronounced, but then again, i'm completely oblivious.

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yep, true. but i have a suspicion that it's a special privilege of the word, denoted to God, that means "Lord of Lords", given that Jews believe that there is only one God.





Judaism was polytheistic in it's origins, during the exile of jews smaller
groups began to develop the monotheistic belief which is where the 'lord of
lords' belief comes into play as El Elyon, El Elyon is Canaanite god and it
transliterates to "god most high" and is one of the names of god in the old
testament



that is almost bewildering. but quite interesting. i like the history (or non-history) of the Torah. though i haven't studied any of it, really, save reading Genesis once (English - Aramaic translation), so i find it kinda fucked that at one time it was like that. guess i should pick up a history book. how in the heck do you even know that stuff?

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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #20975195 - 12/14/14 12:26 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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many bible today are soft translations of the king james version,
apparently people are incapable of reading it so they need someone
to transcribe it into simple english, this doesnt mean it's not in
these bibles and being listed as the most common reference to god
I'm sure it has made it into most in one of the iterations of YHWH
or Yahweh. some like the mormon bible may refer to him as Elohim
more than it would YHWH



people can't read KJV because they have no taste, i guess.

i still wanna read the Willis Barnstone translation of the New Testament, as it is translated from the Koine Greek. if i was gonna read the Old, i'd probably go with a transliterated Hebrew Artscroll Tanakh. the KJV is good, but so badly marred with transliteral error. it's simply glorified. well written poetry, with license taken with many many words, lines, and meanings. personally, i think that the Old should maybe be read in Aramaic, as it's "the simple" tongue; and i do believe most scholars agree, that it was the language Yeshua spoke, being a villager, and not a grammarian, nor worshiper, in the traditional sense.

it might be a bit more "common" and less liable to be lost in translation. (of course, not as accurate as reading in Hebrew but, i can't read Hebrew, and even those who can, i mean, there is so many "meanings" in the Torah, it's even difficult for a scholar to decide what is what. it's like reading the Quran in Classical Arabic... you have to study for years just to speak it, then another twenty to get access to a proper Quran, then longer to start to even understand what the Quran is saying...[or what you're seeing, rather] then the Hadith... which i wish ISIL would read, those ingrates. but Classical Arabic as it was written in the Quran is essentially calligraphic [with which i mean it is not just reading a language but also reading and understanding what is being seen, and what is, as we say "between the lines"] and not just "a language", but is considered, as it is written in the Quran, a "sacred language". same can be applied to the Torah. only to access an older Torah would still not amount to reading it as it was written thousands of years ago, being all devoutly written by hand and thusly acquiring error upon error.)

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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: akira_akuma]
    #20975275 - 12/14/14 12:46 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Judaism was polytheistic in it's origins, during the exile of jews smaller
groups began to develop the monotheistic belief which is where the 'lord of
lords' belief comes into play as El Elyon, El Elyon is Canaanite god and it
transliterates to "god most high" and is one of the names of god in the old
testament



that is almost bewildering. but quite interesting. i like the history (or non-history) of the Torah. though i haven't studied any of it, really, save reading Genesis once (English - Aramaic translation), so i find it kinda fucked that at one time it was like that. guess i should pick up a history book. how in the heck do you even know that stuff?




even YHWH/Yahweh were from the canaanite pantheon but the jews had agreed
to only worship the one 'true god' in exchange for protection in their
wars, though based on their history it would seem that their god had
turned his back many times. many of the things written in the old
testament including in the 10 commandments suggest the polytheistic nature
that Judaism stemmed from. Yahweh may well have also been borrowed from
another culture long before Judaism


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh

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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: nicechrisman]
    #20975397 - 12/14/14 01:23 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Those kids were dumb. Imaginary friends are interchangeable IMO




Yeah, I would convert to Islam in a second if somebody had a machete to my throat. I'll believe whatever you tell me to, buddy. Even if I was hella religious, I could always just recant later, when the machete isn't to my throat.

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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: fapjack]
    #20975403 - 12/14/14 01:25 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't think they would have spared them, but it is possible.  I just really don't have much respect for people that die over their religious beliefs.  Religion is fucking stupid.



I have a hell of a lot less respect for people who kill over their religious beliefs.


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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #20975410 - 12/14/14 01:29 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

El sounds like more of a Egyptian name, doesn't it? but that's a strange connection.

Yehvah sounds more like an Egyptian pronunciation, though, too; concerning YHWH.

personally, it sounds like El is the best word for God, but is it "the Name" of an all-powerful God of Gods?

PS: i've hypothesised that before anybody knew shit and didn't talk but with grunts, a big ole lightning bolt probably, at one time, came down from the sky and cracked a tree or boulder and had made it fall on some dude's head, so people just uttered something, and that was it's name, and revered it because WTF it just killed "uhuh" like out of nowhere... so hence God were created. :shrug: ehyeh asher ehyeh

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