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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: psi]
#20974183 - 12/14/14 07:48 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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psi said: Yeah there are also some disagreements over Elohim I think, something about it being used as a plural noun and some people suggesting that implies multiple gods.
That would tie in with the fact that not just in the Old Testament's Genesis but also even in the Quran, when God gets to the part about creating humans, he states, in the plural form in all three Abrahamic religions, "Let Us make man in Our image."
This leads many to believe that he is one among a race of beings. Divine, extraterrestrial, interdimensional... who knows? But that's weird, as well as the fact that all throughout Genesis, it's written as if God is actually some physical being (Adam and Eve hiding behind some trees from him, etc.).
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I guess it can be interpreted as sort of a "royal we", like there's just one god but he's so important that he gets to refer to himself in the plural.
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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: Dark_Star]
#20974310 - 12/14/14 08:39 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't think they would have spared them, but it is possible. I just really don't have much respect for people that die over their religious beliefs. Religion is fucking stupid.
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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: Dark_Star] 1
#20974316 - 12/14/14 08:41 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: Very interesting to see people here saying that the kids were dumb for not playing along & converting. Makes me wonder how those same people would react if the cops kicked down their door? Seems to me that they'd roll over & squeal like pigs seeing as they've stated that self-preservation is the only smart choice, no matter what one believes.
It's also funny that they assume that Isis would spare them, when they've still murdered countless after they converted.
Repeating a simple statement and actually converting are entirely different. Just because I say "I believe in vampire unicorns," doesn't mean I've converted to that belief system at all. You can say something without actually believing it. Keeping this in mind, why the fuck wouldn't self-preservation be the most important choice? Your god is fucked up if he'd punish you just for trying to save your own life.
So in other words, by refusing to simply utter a phrase, you are allowing yourself to die. In fact, I think this is more blasphemous than deceitfully repeating the phrase, at least according to Christianity, since one could easily and accurately claim that it's tantamount to suicide to not just repeat the statement. Once again, saying "I follow Mohammed," does not mean you "converted" to Islam. Are you seriously attempting to make that claim? Wow. Just wow.
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nicechrisman said: Yaweh is kinda a dick like that.
AFAIK/IIRC, the name used to refer to the deity in the Old Testament is Adonai, yet it is Yahweh in the New Testament. Trivial fact for j00! Interesting, though, if you take a look at the differences in this being's (or these beings') behavior and mood comparatively. It really does seem like they're two different entities, one much harsher than the other lovey hippie one.
jehova and jesus would be 2 different entities
Well that's a given, but the actual name, before translation, used to refer to "God" is Adonai in the Old Testament and Yahweh/Jehovah (depending on translation, I guess) in the New Testament. This is without including Jesus (Isa in Arabic, Yeshua was his actual Hebrew name, etc., all irrelevant to the fact that the very same "God" was referred to by two different names). Some people believe that it's actually two different entities (or races, depending on who you ask), not just because of the differing names in each Testament but also the differences in their demeanor.
adonai would mean master or lord and it's the plural of adon, there were no less than a dozen names/titles for god in the old testament including Elohim and El Shaddai. Yahweh is the most common in the old testament
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PsychedelicSpirit said: I'm sure some people would still disagree, though, that it was a title rather than name, but I really have no stake in one side or the other of that debate. I had just remembered reading about this in the past, which is why I used my handy little disclaimer (lol).
every name for god is merely a title because it's a sin to speak his name
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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: Prisoner#1]
#20974550 - 12/14/14 09:50 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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I thought this story was a fake but apparently not
http://nypost.com/2014/12/12/christian-leader-isis-savages-behead-four-children/
NY Post wouldn't make that shit up. God dammit I was hoping it was a fake, that shit is just repulsive
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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: nicechrisman]
#20974641 - 12/14/14 10:10 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: Well I certainly wouldn't say it to their families or friends or people who knew them, but I don't really see how it's insensitive in this context.
It is insensitive to all christians to say that their God is an imaginary friend. I personally would agree with you on that one, but shifting the blame to the children because they didn't lie to save themselves in a thread about them getting beheaded for their beliefs is pretty damn disrespectful. There are plenty of decent christians in the world. None of them deserve to be beheaded for their beliefs, let alone chastised by randoms on the internet for not lying about their religion. You seem to be more concerned about these christians not lying than the muslims who are beheading them for not lying.
The children aren't dumb, they are loyal and faithful. Religion cannot predict IQ either so that argument is out the window(in fact church attendance correlates positively with happiness, so who are really the smart ones).
The only people who are dumb are the ones beheading another human being for not converting. Like what the fuck, how barbaric can you be?
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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: plektheplek]
#20974668 - 12/14/14 10:15 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lol, so it took the NY post to put you back on the propaganda train. Remember this moment when we go balls deep into Iraq again except we need a draft this time.
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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: Webster10]
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nicechrisman said: Well I certainly wouldn't say it to their families or friends or people who knew them, but I don't really see how it's insensitive in this context.
It is insensitive to all christians to say that their God is an imaginary friend. I personally would agree with you on that one, but shifting the blame to the children because they didn't lie to save themselves in a thread about them getting beheaded for their beliefs is pretty damn disrespectful. There are plenty of decent christians in the world. None of them deserve to be beheaded for their beliefs, let alone chastised by randoms on the internet for not lying about their religion. You seem to be more concerned about these christians not lying than the muslims who are beheading them for not lying.
The children aren't dumb, they are loyal and faithful. Religion cannot predict IQ either so that argument is out the window(in fact church attendance correlates positively with happiness, so who are really the smart ones).
The only people who are dumb are the ones beheading another human being for not converting. Like what the fuck, how barbaric can you be?
That's funny because happiness actually inversely correlates with intelligence.
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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: BlunderSoftly]
#20974713 - 12/14/14 10:25 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just to put it out there, you guys realize stories like this are just a bunch of pay-ops type drivel meant to manufacture consent. The Sunnis want a state and our billionaires(i.e. Government) want metal melted and people moving same as our media wants horrific stories, so they push for war and press the naive American citizens into a goofy little belief system where they're willing to do it. Then they go to Iraq, realize how entirely fucked it is and kill themselves more often then the insurgents do.
Literally this exact scenario just played out and here we are ready to save the world with our military might and just morals yet again, Americans would never kill the nice little Iraqi kids.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_killings
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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: BlunderSoftly]
#20974718 - 12/14/14 10:26 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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yep
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PsychedelicSpirit said: That's funny because happiness actually inversely correlates with intelligence.
so you're saying that I'm dumb as fuck
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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: robbyberto]
#20974835 - 12/14/14 10:56 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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robbyberto said: Kate Upton's ass is kind of meh.
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nicechrisman said: Well I certainly wouldn't say it to their families or friends or people who knew them, but I don't really see how it's insensitive in this context.
It is insensitive to all christians to say that their God is an imaginary friend. I personally would agree with you on that one, but shifting the blame to the children because they didn't lie to save themselves in a thread about them getting beheaded for their beliefs is pretty damn disrespectful. There are plenty of decent christians in the world. None of them deserve to be beheaded for their beliefs, let alone chastised by randoms on the internet for not lying about their religion. You seem to be more concerned about these christians not lying than the muslims who are beheading them for not lying.
The children aren't dumb, they are loyal and faithful. Religion cannot predict IQ either so that argument is out the window(in fact church attendance correlates positively with happiness, so who are really the smart ones).
The only people who are dumb are the ones beheading another human being for not converting. Like what the fuck, how barbaric can you be?
That's funny because happiness actually inversely correlates with intelligence.
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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: BlunderSoftly]
#20974866 - 12/14/14 11:05 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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BlunderSoftly said: Just to put it out there, you guys realize stories like this are just a bunch of pay-ops type drivel meant to manufacture consent. The Sunnis want a state and our billionaires(i.e. Government) want metal melted and people moving same as our media wants horrific stories, so they push for war and press the naive American citizens into a goofy little belief system where they're willing to do it. Then they go to Iraq, realize how entirely fucked it is and kill themselves more often then the insurgents do.
Literally this exact scenario just played out and here we are ready to save the world with our military might and just morals yet again, Americans would never kill the nice little Iraqi kids.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_killings
Who has said that US military intervention is the route we should go to prevent these killings?
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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: Prisoner#1]
#20974888 - 12/14/14 11:11 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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adonai would mean master or lord and it's the plural of adon, there were no less than a dozen names/titles for god in the old testament including Elohim and El Shaddai. Yahweh is the most common in the old testament
maybe it implies Lord of Lords?
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nicechrisman said: Yaweh is kinda a dick like that.
AFAIK/IIRC, the name used to refer to the deity in the Old Testament is Adonai, yet it is Yahweh in the New Testament. Trivial fact for j00! Interesting, though, if you take a look at the differences in this being's (or these beings') behavior and mood comparatively. It really does seem like they're two different entities, one much harsher than the other lovey hippie one.
the reason YHWH isn't in the Old Testament (unless you get an edition that uses it) is obviously because using the name of God is forbidden. hence Adonai is used.
scholarly Bibles tend to use the name YHWH. sounds pithier than Tetragrammaton; and Jews recognize that writing the name of God isn't really writing the name of God, considering how to pronounce the name isn't known. hence all the names of God in Hebrew.
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Re: Isis Beheads 4 Christian Children [Re: akira_akuma]
#20974917 - 12/14/14 11:19 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Even in English a lot of Jewish writers won't even write out the word "God", and they substitute "G*d" instead.
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