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William Burroughs and DMT
    #20968450 - 12/12/14 08:07 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I have always felt an affinity with William Burroughs, being a NYC heroin addict. His book Junkie is my favorite, the lingo has changed a little, but junk hasn't, and neither have junkies, one bit.

But its not just heroin I have in common with Burroughs

I have read his the Yage letters, a short book about his adventures into south america in search for ayauasca.. a not too well kni an dubs trance in the fifties.

But here is a very cool article I found of his letters and correspondence, including a letter between him and Leary warning him about DMT (I guess he shot a little too much)

Hes a true dope feind.


But a cool author and this is a cool artticle http://www.granta.com/New-Writing/Burroughs-Letters


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Re: William Burroughs and DMT [Re: mushpunx]
    #20969623 - 12/13/14 12:32 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Burroughs was quite the interesting character. I've read quite a bit on him as I ended up writing a couple papers about him during my third and fourth years at university. One posits a reason why he has remained so popular to this day; I place him as fulfilling a much needed shamanic role in Western society. The second paper explores a possible reason for the radical change in his writing style between Junky and Naked Lunch and The Soft Machine. That reason being DMT of course.

If you're really interested in Burroughs, I would suggest getting Literary Outlaw by Ted Morgan as it's a really good biography of Burroughs with tons of information on the Beats in general as well.

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Re: William Burroughs and DMT [Re: fractaloctopus]
    #20970337 - 12/13/14 08:56 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Ill check it out!

Did you check out those letters?  I got a real kick out of them, burroughs complaining about Leary giving mushrooms to everyone and thier grandma hehe


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Re: William Burroughs and DMT [Re: mushpunx]
    #20971292 - 12/13/14 01:28 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, most of that correspondence was in Literary Outlaw actually. I think it's most interesting that Burroughs had difficult experiences with psilocybin and refused to take it any more, but yet his books are at least as equally as difficult. Naked Lunch is horrific. The Soft Machine equally so with the added facet of being more hallucinogenic than Naked Lunch by quite a huge margin. It would seem that the difficult experiences of psilocybin would be right up his alley, but yet here was something "too much" for even Burroughs.

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Re: William Burroughs and DMT [Re: fractaloctopus]
    #20971768 - 12/13/14 03:38 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Well, once I started shooting dope I stopped smoking weed. Most junkies do, its not so much a monetary thing its more about not wanting to have to reflect on your life so much.

In one of those letters he said the right dosage for DMT was about one grain, which I think a grain is about 60mg as far as morphine goes.
So if he was push in the envelope and shooting a higher dose I can definitly see it being much too much!

Im definitly going to buy Literary Outlaw! Sounds pretty cool


It might just come down to his preference for drugs? He likes dope and booze haha


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Re: William Burroughs and DMT [Re: mushpunx]
    #20971937 - 12/13/14 04:29 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Junkie was a great book, i enjoyed it twice all the way through before giving it to goodwill.

You should read his comments on Apomorphine, he said it was the only thing that got him off dope for a period of time i think

also, Naked Lunch is an awesome movie


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Re: William Burroughs and DMT [Re: Adolin]
    #20973015 - 12/13/14 08:59 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I didnt know it was a movie!

Apomorphine was used the way methadone is today I guess, I know he was on methadone in his old age. For people like me Methadone is the only thing to keep us off dope.

Did you read the letter to Leary which he says Apomorphine is the antidote tp a "dmt overdose" hehe


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Re: William Burroughs and DMT [Re: mushpunx]
    #20973048 - 12/13/14 09:05 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

DUDE you HAVE to watch Naked Lunch , its 5 thumbs up, peter weller kills it. no i havnt read the thing with leary

edit. you can find it on the pirate bay here: http://thepiratebay.cr/torrent/7357121/naked-lunch-1991-720p-brrip-x264-playnow/

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Re: William Burroughs and DMT [Re: mushpunx]
    #20973069 - 12/13/14 09:09 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

The movie of Naked Lunch has pretty much nothing to do with the book Naked Lunch. It's more about the writing of the book, not the actual content of it. It's a good movie on its own, but don't go into it thinking you're going to be seeing a movie version of the book. For one a movie of Naked Lunch would have to be ridiculously long to get it all in there. For two it would be a movie that only until recently would never have been made due to the ridiculous levels of sex, violence, violence during sex.

With movies like Martyrs or A Serbian Film they could probably get away with making it now, but I still doubt anyone would actually want to put the amount of money forward to do the book proper justice. Plus since the book isn't meant to be read cover to cover, but picked up and read randomly, putting it into a definite 'start here, finish here" format like film would seem to be completely antithetical to the novel that Burroughs wrote.

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Re: William Burroughs and DMT [Re: fractaloctopus]
    #20973143 - 12/13/14 09:26 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

i never read the book myself. i just enjoy the movies weirdness lol

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Re: William Burroughs and DMT [Re: Adolin]
    #20973201 - 12/13/14 09:46 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Like octopus said its one of those books you can flip to a chapter and read not just from start to end.

Have you read the yage letters? Its almost a continuation of junkie, he heads dowm through mexico in search of ayauasca


Check out "a junkies christmas" on YouTube as well, its narrated by him and its in claymation

"Looks like ive scored for the immaculate fix! And Danny the car wiper was on the nod. The end"


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Re: William Burroughs and DMT [Re: Adolin]
    #20973498 - 12/13/14 11:46 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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i never read the book myself. i just enjoy the movies weirdness lol




The movie is like a Disney kid's cartoon in comparison to the book.

If you make it through reading Naked Lunch and feel that it just wasn't quite weird enough, move onto his third published book The Soft Machine. Naked Lunch was written by Burroughs in a series of short "routines" as he called them and then mailed to Allen Ginsberg. Later on, Ginsberg and Jack Kerouac assembled the routines into what would be come Naked Lunch. This is why the novel is so disjointed and fragmentary. It was never written as a novel as such, just a bunch of short stories that were compiled and edited into a novel. The Soft Machine takes it a step further by using the cutup method of physically cutting manuscript pages and rearranging them. So instead of the book being a series of very loosely associated routines, you have each chapter looping back on itself in a literary feedback loop, disintegrating and reforming over and over again. It's orders of magnitude more of a mindscrew than Naked Lunch.


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Like octopus said its one of those books you can flip to a chapter and read not just from start to end.




Actually it's not just that it can be read from any point, it's meant to be read from any point.

"You can cut into Naked Lunch at any intersection point ... I have written many prefaces" (Burroughs Naked Lunch 187). I wish I could find the quote where he specifically states that it's meant to be read in any order, but I can't find the site with it right now.

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