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Ayahuasca - 3 cups First time
    #20956275 - 12/10/14 07:03 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Hey guys!

I tried to write to the best of my ability. I'm by no means a writer, but either way enjoy the read!


A fairly accurate representation of my visuals...

So I wrote this report after attending a group of 23 about 6 months ago. My thoughts about ayahuasca has changed greatly since that experience because it really did something quite disturbing to my psyche and I consider myself quite strong willed (heroic mushroom trips under the belt pre-aya without problems).

Edited Version (slightly shorter):
My intention was set for the night. Through the last decade untreated celiac disease had caused me a lot of trauma, physical pain, neurological damage and time spent in agonizing pain. Letting go was difficult, but it was finally time to put it to rest and move on. To prepare for the night we were to eat a strict diet three weeks pre-ceremony. My body felt weak, but my focus was crystal clear.

The shaman turned to me. No word. It was go time. Nervous about what the night had to offer I stumbled up and summoned the courage to walk over, and sat down in front of him. He poured the shot, directed it towards the altar and then gave it to me. I looked at it for a few seconds, focused on my intentions one last time before it went down. While waiting for the effect to come on I sat against the wall meditating. Ten minutes passed. Twenty. A tingly sensation jolted through my body. Roughly forty minutes went by. It started to take hold. Energy began sweeping through my body. Patterns emerged in the darkness. They transformed into massive geometrical shapes. Quietly the shaman began to whistle and hum. Then he began singing one of his Icaros. The visuals got more intense by the second and started to move in rhythm with the singing. "Let me show you something", ayahuasca said. The brew began teaching me various things. This is the fabrics of the universe. This is how everything is built. We all come from the same material. Sudden insight appeared and things got put under the microscope. It kept teaching me things about my personal life and actions I had performed. I was merely a spectator and through my own dialogue it was teaching me amazing things about the universe and life. New phrases kept shooting through me as I tried to understand what she was showing me.

Roughly two hours in we got offered a second dose. We repeated the same process, but this time the brew was already activated in the system and within minutes it took hold. It was increasing very quickly. Going deeper into my consciousness I started to meet things long forgot. Memories all the way back to my childhood. Many were struggling to let go, so we were handed liquid tobacco to get the purging going. My ego was clinging with all its might. It was playing tricks with my mind, that "maybe" it wouldn't work properly on me. I didn't have to purge, but deep down I was clawing to what I knew as myself and reality. People started to purge. Twenty people pouring their guts out. It started to sound dark and evil. Hell suddenly appeared. My body was so heavy it became impossible to move. My head was about to implode by a massive pressure. Analyzing even deeper what the brew was telling me. I kept begging. “Please, grandmother, ayahuasca. Help me understand. I want to understand. Tell me what you are trying to show me!”. Silence. My dialogue started running at a thousand words per second. Things just got worse and worse. After what felt like eternity things became more clear. One can not have good without bad. This is all a part of life. One have to endure pain to really feel pleasure. As soon as it hooked something happened. The bad feelings dissipated and my body felt lighter again. More at ease. It didn’t take long before a wretched sickness took a hold of me. Something I had never felt in my life. Like an entity was wrapped around my head and it was trying to get down my throat. Something moving inside my body, trying to get out. It was time to throw up. I needed to throw up, but nothing came up! I wanted to cry. The purging intensity kept rising and it became a so unbearable I didn’t know what to do. I wanted to disappear. Thoughts like "What had I signed up for", "Why pay money to be in hell!?" went through my mind. It didn't make sense to me at the time. It felt like an eternity. My body was too overpowered to call for help, but in my mind I was screaming. Time went on and another eternity passed. It was time to get help. No time to feel sorry for myself and so with every strength in my body I sat up and I called for the shaman. One time. Two times. Another eternity passed and he finally came over. Short of breath I managed to summon the words. “please… help me… I can’t get it out”.

He poured a third shot and came over. “This will make you purge”, he said. My trust was completely in his hands and so it went down. After all, 5 years apprenticeship doesn’t come without its merits. How could it get any worse, I thought. Before finishing the sentence, it instantly hit and a massive energy took hold. My body was being crushed down into the mattress. An insane buzzing sound and a beeping continuously built in each ear until it got so loud that I thought the universe had to explode soon. My body started to stretched more and more. Petrified to say the least. Suddenly my ego shattered into a billion pieces. I ceased to exist. Each atom of my body tossed into every direction of the universe. This was it. This is how it feels like to die. The purging got heavier and heavier. People were constantly throwing up with brutal force. Suddenly I was no longer in the human domain, but in an animal realm of maggots, bacteria, and all the lower life forms. This must have gone on for at least 2-3 hours and my ego was dying over and over. It kept getting worse and I couldn’t hack it. Wanting to just disappear and be done with it. Just let me die already. I was ready. It suddenly hit me like an arrow of wisdom to the head. The lesson from earlier. You can never have pleasure without pain. You can never have good without bad. My mind rapidly started pacing at the speed of light. More and more perspective came too light. “For the lesson to make a deep enough impact to last for the rest of my life I have to endure”, I thought. Suddenly the realization came to me that, after enduring all the pain in my life, I now could truly appreciate being healthy. A new and profound appreciation. An eternal gratitude for being alive. It then turned towards the other people in the room. Their pain suddenly became mine and my wish was for all of them to face their demons and put them to the ground as well. It made me realize how much love I have towards people. Love for my family. Love for my friends and pets. This love swept over me and I could feel its intensity get stronger and stronger. “I LOVE MY FAMILY. I LOVE MY FRIENDS. I WANT TO LIVE WITH MY WHOLE BEEING!!”. I cried in joy and smiled from ear to ear. Wanting to live with every fiber and atom in the body. With passion. With dedication. It was hard resisting the urge to call everyone I knew, and tell them how amazing they are. How they all deserve the best in their lives. How they all need to know how wonderful human begins they are. This sensation kept giving and giving. All the way from when the sun was starting to rise till it was super bright. I continued to lay on the mat till 9 am with a massive smile on my face huddled up in a fetal position. It was possible to sleep. After going on a journey through self-awareness, consciousness, to the realm of the divine, through hell, been reborn and back to our reality. Energised, but very tired as we had been up from 9 pm till 8 am working. My mind ran a thousand miles pr second. At one with the universe. Excited to get back home to tell my parents and give them a giant hug. Everything will be ok.


Full Story
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Ayahuasca Experience #1 - Death, Rebith & Love

This will be a little bit of a read, but I tried to explain everything as detailed as possible for people to really emerge into my trip. I apologise in advance for any typos and poor grammar. Keep in mind that every experience on aya, every time, for every individual will be totally unique.

I will try to my best ability to explain my first experience with the amazonian brew, “Ayahuasca” or by its native name “Yagé”. Now for those of you who don’t know much about this medicine, it is an undertaking like nothing else and it should never be taken on lightly. You can prepare for it and feel ready, but you just can not prepare for what it has to teach you. All you can do is enter with good faith, a positive mind, a specific problem or question you need answering to and belief, that it will take care of you and protect you from all evils.

Preface
Prior to a ceremony you have to eat a strict diet consisting of clean fruits, vegetables, plants, a little bit olive oil, little bit salt and some white meats if wanted. Closer to the ceremony you cut out salt and eat a little bit less to keep the system light and clean. At the day of the ceremony I managed to get in two big meals early in the day, and a small salad at 2pm. This gave me 7 hours before we started to fast. I’ve never been so starved and hungry. Weak but focused and clear minded.

Gathering
I arrived at a cottage in Norway, which for the sake of security shall be unnamed. Greeted by many people who had already been there two days prior for private ceremonies, and I could tell they were cleansed. Everyone had a great energy, a glow and shined. Smiling and giggling. I could tell they were definitely feeling amazing. This gave me a calm and trust for the coming night. Later in the evening more people showed up and in total we were 23 including the shaman, Dario and two assistants. In the main room there were mattresses all around the room against the wall to form a big half circle. In the centre there were three chairs. For the shaman and his assistants. There was a fireplace and in the middle of the room an altar which contained relics from the attendants, the brew, tobacco (Its native name, Mapacho), glass water jugs, a big plant of some sort, and many musical instruments.

The Journey Begins
I had already been meditating most of the time since arrival, and had got my intention for the night straight. I wanted to clean up things from my past. Being hurt by celiac decease and lost a lot of time of my life. I wanted to let go, to learn to move on and live life where it is right now. As this was something I had not been able to do in the past. The memories of hurt, pain and lost time were still overpowering me. I felt calm and focused. Even though I was light headed from not eating much in the past days. I felt ready to be taught. The clock hit 9.15 pm and everyone took to their seat. We get briefed about the process. Shortly after we got handed a bucket each (wohooo), and then one by one they poured liquid tobacco into our hands. We were to sniff this with our coned hands while the heads were tilted back. This helped to clear out our system and open us up for the spirits, and to make our breathing better. It would also be used later in the ceremony for cleansing. After this the shaman and an assistant sat down in front of the altar, poured a shot of ayahuasca and drank it. He then gave it to the assistants. Before I knew it the shaman turned to me. No word. I understood that I was the first to go up. Nervous about what the night had to offer I stumbled up and managed to summon the courage to walk over. I sat down in front of him, he poured the shot, directed it at the altar and then gave it to me. I looked at it for a few seconds, gave my intention another thought and down it went. I was surprised that the taste was not as bad as other had mentioned. Got a glass of water to get the taste out of my mouth and then headed back to my mattress. One by one everyone got up and drank. Once everyone were finished we sat in silence. There were lit candles by the altar, and into the hallway to the bathrooms and inside. The fireplace was also running strong which I liked. I sat with my eyes closed and back against the wall in a meditative state. Letting everything just happen. Ten minutes passed. Twenty, it was starting to feel a tingly sensation. About forty minutes went by. I could feel it starting to take hold. Slowly a feeling of energy sweeping into my body. I could start to see patterns in the darkness of my closed eyes. Increasingly getting stronger and stronger. The shapes turned into massive geometrical nests of patterns that started to intertwine and merge. The shaman began to whistle really low and gradually increase. Over time he increased in power and began singing one of his Icaros. The visuals kept getting more and more intense. It told me, look, I want to show you something. I could feel it explaining things to me without having to vocalise it to me. This is the fabrics of the universe. This is how I built everything. This is the universe, this is you and me. This is everything. I accepted it and kept everything open for interoperation. I started to see insight into myself. I began to put every part under the microscope and see things from a million different angles. This was done by an internal dialogue which I had no control over. New phrases kept shooting through me as I tried to understand what she was showing me, and every time I thought it was done something new and more exciting came. I was so thankful. I prayed to her and told her to show me these things and keep me safe. To guide me.

The Second Dose
About an hour and half had passed, I think. Time is hard to judge while on such a substance, but I used the light outside as my guidance. We then got offered a second one. Almost everyone had taken one and I sat there, hesitated, but I thought to myself… “what is the point of attending if I am not going to truly experience it. I could’ve just stayed at home. I have to do this”. So I got up, this time a bit more wobbly, and repeated the same process. This time around the brew already had its effect in the system and within minutes I could feel the effect. It was increasing insanely quick. Going deeper into my consciousness I started to meet things that were so deep and forgot. From my past all the way to the present. Struggling to get it out, like many other, we were handed more tobacco to try and help to get the purging going. My ego was holding on. I tried to convince myself I wasn’t resisting, but deep down I was clawing to what I knew as myself and reality. People started to purge. Twenty people pouring their guts out. It started to sound like hell. In fact, I was in hell. I was so heavy I couldn’t move. My head was about to implode by a massive pressure. I started to analyse even deeper what the brew was telling me. I kept begging it in my mind for help. “Please, grandmother, ayahuasca. Help me understand. I want to understand. Tell me what you are trying to show me!”. Nothing. I kept going. Started asking all kinds of questions. The more I asked the worse it got. After what felt like eternity I started to see. I cannot have good without bad. This is all a part of the process. I have to endure this pain to really see what pleasure is. It cannot give me the good stuff without having this horrible petrifying experience. As soon as I start to understand something clicked. The bad feelings dissipated and I felt lighter again. I felt at ease. I thought it was over, but don’t be fooled. It didn’t take long before I started to feel sick. Really sick. Something I had never felt in my life. There was an entity wrapped around my head and it was trying to get down my throat. Another entity inside my body trying to get out. I felt sick and wanted to throw up, but I couldn’t! I wanted to cry. I laid down into fetal position. Knowing that we were told to try and maintain a sitting position to be present. To try and not get overpowered. The purging intensity kept rising and it became a so unbearable I didn’t know what to do. I wanted to disappear. What had I signed up for, I thought. Why have I paid money to be in hell. This didn’t make sense to me at the time. After what felt like an eternity I wanted to scream for help, but I couldn’t. Time went on and another eternity passed. I needed help and I couldn’t just lay here feeling sorry for myself. I manage to sit up and I called for the shaman. One time. Two times. He didn’t come. Another eternity passed and he finally came over. Short of breath I managed to summon the words. “please… help me… I can’t get it out”. So he came over to me, gave me some perfume and asked me to sniff it. I did. It really didn’t help, but smelled nice. At this point I couldn’t care less about the smell. I wanted this ting out of me and that quickly.

The Third
He saw that I was in a lot of pain. He came over, and gave me a third shot. “This will make you purge”, he said. My trust was completely in his hands and I chugged it down. After all, 5 years apprenticeship doesn’t come without its merits. How could it get any worse, I thought. Before I even could answer my own question I was instantly hit by a wave of energy. I could feel my body being crushed down into the mattress. I felt my head was imploding a thousand times. I could hear a insane buzzing sound and a beeping in each ear. Rising and rising getting so loud that I could feel the universe was going to explode. I felt my body being stretched more and more. I was petrified!!! What I knew to be me was suddenly destroyed. I felt my ego just get shattered into a billion pieces. Each atom of my body tossed into every direction of the universe. I was dying, or at least so I thought. I was now in the real hell. The purging got heavier and heavier. People were constantly throwing up with brutal force. I felt like I was in the animal realm of maggots, bacteria, and all the lower life forms. What had I paid money for! This was not what I signed up for. At least so I thought. This must have gone on for at least 2-3 hours and I was dying over and over. I thought I was shitting my pants, and that it kept coming. At this point I didn’t care. I could shit my pants all I wanted. I was dying and going to the bathroom was not going to solve that. It kept getting worse and I couldn’t hack it. I couldn’t go on. I wanted to disappear and just be done with it. Just let me die already. I was ready. Then it suddenly hit me. The lesson from earlier. You can never have pleasure without pain. You can never have good without bad. I started to think rapidly about this and getting more and more perspective. “I have to be shown it in such a deep way that it sticks with me for the rest of my life. Else it would just change me for a few days and then I’ll go back to my old self”, I thought. I realised that all this time I was in hell because I felt so terrible about how other people have it, and not just in the ceremony. They were purging and going through something so harsh. Trying to work out their inner demons. It made me realise how much love I have for people. Love for my family. Love for my friends and pets. This love swept over me and I could feel it build in intensity. “I LOVE MY FAMILY. I LOVE MY FRIENDS. I LOVE LIVING”. I wanted to cry with all my might. I wanted to live with every fiber and atom in my body. With passion. With dedication. I wanted to call everyone I knew and tell them how amazing they are. How they all deserve the best in their lives. How they all need to know how wonderful human begins they are. This sensation kept giving and giving. All the way from when the sun was starting to rise till it was super bright. I laid on my mattress with a massive smile on my face huddled up in a fetal position. Even though people purged all the way till 8 am. I was at peace.

Morning Light
I couldn’t sleep. I had been on a journey through self awareness, consciousness, to the realm of the divine, through hell, been reborn and came back. I felt energised, but was very tired as we had been up from 9 pm till 8 am working. Some were still purging, others were sleeping. I just laid there for another hour. Smiling and so happy with what I had experienced. It was the worst and the best experience of my life. I had to get home. I had to tell my parents and share my love for them, and I did. It touched my mother so greatly that she shed some tears and I could see that I penetrated directly into her soul. She felt what every mother should feel. The strongest connection to their child.

Last words
I have to say that to anyone who dares to venture on this amazing journey, do not take it lightly but at the same time don’t be afraid. It will change you, but for the better. Just don’t leave after the first night like I did, because you need the closure of multiple trips to fully feel complete.





A month after the experience I took one hit of extremely clean acid in the forest with a friend on a super sunny day. That experience seemed to close whatever I had opened on the journey prior and made me feel more grounded again.

I plan to attend healing session coming week and if that does not work, private ayahuasca ceremonies to fix whatever pandora's box I opened. I had no idea what chakras or crowns were back then. I had no idea how to fend for myself in these planes. I thought tripping on LSD and mushrooms gave me some padding to make the experience.

Edited by psychoteraphy (12/10/14 07:09 AM)

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Re: Ayahuasca - 3 cups First time [Re: psychoteraphy]
    #20957252 - 12/10/14 12:52 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds kind of like my ayahuasca ceremony in Peru where I think they overdosed me, I thought I was dying of heart failure, and I tripped for about 8 hours when it should have been only 4. I agree with your observations about duality and needing darkness to experience light.  "Why pay to to be in hell"? Because after you have survived hell you can contrast it to normal life and turn normal life into heaven. Everything is relative.

Ayahuasca has the reverse effect of all of the recreational drugs. When you use a normal drug, the aftereffect is drain you, cause negative things in your life, downregulate your receptors, and cause depress/anxiety/etc.  However, the effect of ayahuasca is to cause positive changes and UPregulate your receptors (that is physiologically what it does as a side effect).

I too made the mistake of using LSD after a couple weeks to integrate my experience and compare it to LSD. The net effect was a zero sum where LSD brought me back down to my pre-enlightened state where I was before I took ayahuasca. I quickly regretted it. I thought "I just went to hell to purge that bitch lucy out of my system and now she is back. What a waste.". So now I've been experimenting with ayahuasca on my own (I've been starting VERY slowly with small doses) in an attempt to get myself back to the enlightened state. I'm almost there...


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Re: Ayahuasca - 3 cups First time [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
    #20960760 - 12/11/14 05:39 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I guess it makes sense that having experienced hell the everyday life will be less of a burden. Was it due to integration issues which in turn led to the lucy trip? Or was it just because you felt like having another trip?

For me it wasn't before 2-3 months post ayahuasca that I decided to do lucy, but she grounded me again... even though that trip went from the most amazing thing I have ever experienced to my brain glitching the F out and loose total footing on our world. I was stuck in a loop. Mind, vision, body & soul. The whole walk from the forest to my friends place is just one giant blur. You see I wasn't seeing normal movement any more. Every person or being were just spiritual energy. Every movement was still framed put together into this funky frameshow where the first frame went backwards and the newer moved forward. The older shrinking in size as the new ones came in front... it was insanely bizzar. It went from that to total anarchy. Lost total control for no reason. 30 cyclists entered the woods and I was highly confused so we decided to go back to the apt. I kept forgetting I was on lucy, even though my sitter and other bud reminded me over and over. I could see paramedics trying to help me, but it was too late. I couldn't even talk it was just jibberish. I broke my brain. I knew I broke it and I could do NOTHING to fix it. After probably 30 minutes when coming to terms with it... everything settled and I got my vision back.

ps. there were no paramedics... just me freaking the f out even when I know there is no reason ^^

These two events have scared me quite a bit, but I don't want to leave things this way. I am still curious and want to use these tools in a more structured and secure manner.

How did you approach brewing your own brew if I may ask? I have been thining the same thing actually. Do it solo and gradually increase the strength. Write down every nuance and detail to keep track and document the trips as best as possible.

One thing I read about ayahuasca, which may or may not be true: it puts you in a false sense of enlightenment. It is not the same as reaching it thought years of meditation. It may feel the same, but they it is just a lure to get you into the astral planes. Has to do with other entities and what not. I haven't read enough to fully understand that stuff, and it may be total bs. It just makes me very wary of these things.

What are your thoughts on that aspect of these tools? Is it safe without learning to defend ourselves while traveling through different planes?

Edited by psychoteraphy (12/11/14 05:47 AM)

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Re: Ayahuasca - 3 cups First time [Re: psychoteraphy]
    #20969647 - 12/13/14 12:43 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I wasn't having difficulty integrating my ayahuasca trip, in fact I thought it was the best thing that ever happened to me. I used LSD again simply out of curiosity. I wanted to compare the intensity and value of the LSD trip, to the ayahuasca trip. I also tried candyflipping (MDMA+LSD) to see compare against the intensity of THAT, and because I wasn't ready to quit LSD yet without trying candyflipping at least once.

My LSD trips were nothing like yours. They were just regular trips and bored me. Either my tabs had gotten really weak or, after 50+ trips, I have this wicked permanent tolerance and can't appreciate LSD anymore.

I've been experimenting  with ayauasca brews/extracts for 4 months and have been starting VERY slowly. I actually used only caapi for the first 3 months, in order to assess my reactions and tolerance to the MAOI. I started with a 5g dose and moved upwards to 20g, 50g, 100g, and finally 200g of various different extracts/species. I have been doing all of this solo, except the first time I added Chakruna, panicked, and had to call someone to come sit me. I've done two experiments with Chakruna. The first one was a 100g Caapi + 17g Chakruna followed by a redose of 40g Caapi + 33g Chakruna 2 hours later.  The second one was 110g Caapi + 30g Chakruna followed by a redose of 30g Caapi an hour later. My next experiment will be 150g Caapi + 30g Chakruna, and the one after that will be 150g + 40g Chakruna. I'm trying to acclimate myself to the Chakruna very slowly so I don't get shocked with a panic attack where I fear that I am dying.

I am not deluded into thinking that ayahuasca or psychedelics is a complete path to enlightenment. However, I am not simply a user of psychedelics. My roots are deeply ingrained in metaphysics, going back a decade before I started using psychedelics. I also practice meditation and psionics while I am sober.

During my first ayahuasca ceremony, I had the shamans there casting spells to protect me. Now that I am drinking alone, I use some light magick to protect myself in lieu of the shamans. I do a few magickal preparations before each trip including casting a magick circle.


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Re: Ayahuasca - 3 cups First time [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
    #20970225 - 12/13/14 08:20 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Interesting. We also candy flipped the day of the forest trip, but only once we got back after probably 6 hours and things had calmed down. Let me tell you this though. This one drop was stronger than 2.5-3 hits of the "good" acid I used to get. The person I bought it off told me it was insanely strong and probably was 100% clean. I've never experienced anything like it before. That experience will stay with me the rest of my life as I have never seen anything so beautiful. Particles dancing. The trees dancing. The clouds grooving. Everything just flowing. Energy everywhere and you could feel it... It was my friends first experience with acid so he was rather lucky.

I don't think doing 50 trips will build up a tolerance! My old dealer used to trip a lot and it never worked like that on him, but it might be different from person to person. My guess it wasn't the best quality stash, but then again I might be wrong.

I'm really intrigued by your solo sessions though. That takes balls and I applaud you for that. Going super slow is probably a good idea as I've read some nasty stories about people taking too much due to they don't know how the plant works and affects them. I believe my first trip was a mix of caapi and chakruna, but I can't really remember... I would love to find out, but the person who arranged the ceremony doesn't remember. Been to too many new ones lol ^^

I hope you will write some reports as I'm really keen on hearing what you get out of the experiences.

Did you use a specific tek to extract and brew them? And where did you manage to get them? I'm afraid to order online due to strict customs in our country...

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Re: Ayahuasca - 3 cups First time [Re: psychoteraphy]
    #20971622 - 12/13/14 02:57 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I probably simply dont have a good source of acid.

I already wrote two trips reports on my chakruna experiments here:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20965222#20965222

You can actually just eat/drink pre-made extracts of caapi and brew only the chakruna if you want. Here is a simple brew tek:
1. Measure chakruna leaves and crumble them into pot A
2. Add 1L water and a few drops of apple-cider-vinegar to pot A
3. Boil pot A for 4 hours, possibly adding water when neccessary if too much water evaporates
4. Strain all of the water out pot A into pot B through a cloth.
5. Repeat steps 2-4 another two times so that a total of three boils have been done with the same plant material.
6. Cook pot B on low heat to evaporate excess water until the brew is down to a drinkable size. Get the volume of liquid as small as possible without scorching the material and losing it to the sides of the pot.
7. Pour out pot B into drinking cup or storage bottle. Drip water onto the pot to catch any material that is stuck.

Caapi and Chakruna can easily be found on google from online vendors that accept major credit cards. I happen to use Maya for caapi at the moment though I suspect it might be weak. I cant mention the Chakruna source here because it might be sourcing. Depending on your country, the vendors might not ship the Chakruna, or even the Caapi. I am in the USA where Caapi is legal and Chakruna is in a grey area where it's supposedly legal only in plant form, but illegal once extracted. I haven't had any problems with shipment, but I don't know about your country.


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Re: Ayahuasca - 3 cups First time [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
    #20973295 - 12/13/14 10:22 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

This sounds pretty horrible haha.

But I am confused as to the ceremony, if you are experienced with p yscedelics, why not do this by yourself at home? What are you paying for besides the drug?


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Re: Ayahuasca - 3 cups First time [Re: mushpunx]
    #20973631 - 12/14/14 12:51 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

PsychoKinesiS:
I can see that ordering it in the US might be easier as you get it from south america. I'm from Norway and I doubt it'll pass through customs as we have super strict clearance. They check everything that seems suspicious. It is still worth a shot though.

Thanks for the reports and tek. Gonna read it tonight! And as for currency I'll definitely get some bitcoins or litecoins of some sort to buy it so its not possible to trace it back to my credit card. That way they have no proof I ordered it.

Mushpunx: Yes :smile: horrible, but also infinite bliss after my head and body stopped acting all messed up.

The thing is. These plants open up to other planes. Astral planes to be more specific. There are unknown entities which reside in these planes, and you want someone with knowledge on how to protect against them. I've been told that going to public ceremonies can be just as bad though as dark entities can follow the other attendees and attach to you. I honestly don't know much about that stuff because before ayahuasca I thought it all was rather bs. Now, I'm not so sure any more. What I felt under that ceremony was so real that I can't see how it is not possible. Considering DMT is within all of us and inside so many things in this planet. It is in us for a reason. I am on the other hand keen on doing it solo in the future, but before that I'm definitely going to have some solo sessions with a single teacher to help me understand the process properly and how to defend myself.

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Re: Ayahuasca - 3 cups First time [Re: psychoteraphy]
    #20973699 - 12/14/14 01:37 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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mushpunx said:

What are you paying for besides the drug?




You are paying for a full 8 hour workday for one to three people. A legitimate south american ayahuasca ceremoney has a LOT more service besides just the brew. There can be a whole day or two of pre-ceremony and post-ceremony services such as cleansings, flushes, pre-purgings, medical screening, prayers, spells, protections, attunements, meditations, blessings and burials of various gems, psychic readings using coca leaves, interpretations of your visions, and tributes to the earth.  While you are tripping, you have the shamans singing icaros and doing work on you. The icaros are supposed to heal and re-shape your aura. They believe that this is a serious healing process, not just a trip. Also, you will have the shamans and staff sitting on you to make sure you are ok and to help you should things get turbulent. There may even be a nurse or a doctor there. The center I went to supposedly had an antidote that could end the trip in 10 minutes. Trust me if you blast yourself into oblivion with a high dose like many of these centers do, you are going to want people there to help you. I remember being so far gone that after 4 hours when I awoke, I could not walk, and needed to be helped to the bathroom.

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PsychoKinesiS:
I can see that ordering it in the US might be easier as you get it from south america.



Maya actually ships from the Netherlands.


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Re: Ayahuasca - 3 cups First time [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
    #20974964 - 12/14/14 11:27 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Meh.. I dunno Ill hold my real judgement until I try one for myself.

Honestly, I'm glad more normal people are taking an interest in pycedelics. But I kinda feel these ceremonies are a step backwards in a bad way.
At least as far as pyscedelic therapy goes

I feel it comes from the stereotype of the wise old Indian. Or if I go find a gypsy I can see my future.
People are always going to be people, even in the rainforest.


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