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where do we go when we die...
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i believe that our bodys die.. but our mind / spirit live on.. when i tripped on shrooms.. i thought i was dead... everythign was cartoon world and it seemed to me that i died.. hence why i htink when we die we either go on a good / bad trip when our bodys die.. crazy.. sicne i tripped form shrooms i now fear death.. fear of being stuck in a bad trip once my body dies... b4 i took shrooms i never even thought about death... mad what kidna crazy shit shrooms make u think
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Flare]
#2096920 - 11/12/03 11:36 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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> where do we go when we die...
Where did we come from before we were born?
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Seuss]
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we came form other people i guess.. maybe when we die we live on in other people if thats where we came from... i guess we go back there when we die.. mmm
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Flare]
#2096930 - 11/12/03 11:41 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree with the frisbeetarians: you get stuck on a roof
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Annapurna1]
#2097231 - 11/12/03 12:56 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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When we die our minds spin out of contol into complete and total ecstacy.
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Flare]
#2097264 - 11/12/03 01:03 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am my body/brain, I don't have a non-physical mind/spirit. If my body dies, I die. My brain is everything, without my (living)brain I am nothing more than a tree. I don't fear death because I just can't experience death. If I'm wrong, I hope I meet god or the devil. Both interesting persons...
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where do we go when we die...
somewhere else
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Annom]
#2097312 - 11/12/03 01:14 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
I am my body/brain, I don't have a non-physical mind/spirit. If my body dies, I die. My brain is everything, without my (living)brain I am nothing more than a tree. I don't fear death because I just can't experience death. If I'm wrong, I hope I meet god or the devil. Both interesting persons...
But what happens to the energy of your life? Energy cannot cease to exist, it has to take a different form.
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Energy of my life? My life has no "energy".
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Annom]
#2097379 - 11/12/03 01:24 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Energy of my life? My life has no "energy".
what is the difference between living tissue and dead meat, then?
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Flare]
#2097437 - 11/12/03 01:37 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I believe that death is the end of individual experience. It is the end of the illusion that we are separate from the rest of the world. The ego is destroyed, along with our conscious and subconscious mind, but the supeconscious is still there, as it is present in all things. I imagine it would be much like a level 5+ trip, except you wouldn't have your 5 senses. You would be pure consciousness. Of course, there's really only one way to find out...
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: DoctorJ]
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> what is the difference between living tissue and dead meat, then? We burn food, yes. If that's the life energy where you are talking about I have a simple answer to where that energy goes if I die: most of it is heat and the air around me will absorb my heat. My blood will stop streaming due to friction=> the kinetic energy of my blood will be converted into heat. Not very interesting: life energy...
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Annom]
#2099298 - 11/12/03 10:06 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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heres what i think... the exact moment between a living and dying or active brain and non-active brain, our consciousness is catapulted into an ecstacic dream-like state, with lasts an eternity. This measure of infinity happens in that one split second. The moment is passed, in the eyes of the living. You appear to have died, and life goes on. But...what appears to be a split second, gone, to a living human being, can actually last an eternity for the dying person.
Marinate on that
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Great Scott]
#2099307 - 11/12/03 10:08 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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who is to say that our perception of time is the only measure of time in the...cosmos, (for lack of a better word)
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Great Scott]
#2099697 - 11/13/03 12:04 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't believe time exists at all except in the human mind, and death shall remove time from there as well.
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Great Scott]
#2099727 - 11/13/03 12:12 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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If all your are is your body and brain(which is a physical part of the body) then you'd(you as in who you are, personality ect..) already be dead. Every single cell in your body has been replaced several times throughout your life. Conscienceness is the sum, that is greater then its parts, an effect of the parts, and the interaction of the parts with the rest of what is(but transcends its parts). The effect that conscienceness has on the rest of what is, ripples throughout what is, endlessly, and actually is a part of and contributes to what is endlessly, itself. So i imagine that am pretty much in line with what silver said. We are of the source, and we return to the source, leaving behind the delusion that we were ever seperate from the source. But why? and are "we"/ am "I" still aware? I have my theories. Sincerely, That which is, and has no choice but to be
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: ZenGecko]
#2099800 - 11/13/03 12:29 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Define "we" and quit assuming this "we" goes anywhere upon death.
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Flare]
#2100013 - 11/13/03 01:51 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Where do we go when we die...?"
Back home.
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" I am my body/brain, I don't have a non-physical mind/spirit. If my body dies, I die. My brain is everything, without my (living)brain I am nothing more than a tree. I don't fear death because I just can't experience death. If I'm wrong, I hope I meet god or the devil. Both interesting persons... "
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: EvilGir]
#2100941 - 11/13/03 09:08 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hehe, this is a nice thread, it is enjoying every once and awhile to just bounce back our thoughts on something that we have no possibillity of proving. Its got a laid back, not shouting kind of feel. 
Myself, I believe that who we really are isn't this body and these thoughts and experiences. I believe that we are not even aware of who we are right now. This has all been a dream so far, and as soon as we piece together the pieces of the puzzle, we realize that we are only dreaming and we wake up.
I believe that we are a soul, a collection of energy that is powering this physical body. We are directly learning a LOT about the way the Universe flows. I also believe that we are all just a bunch of little leaves of energy that form just one branch of energy in a tree that is just one little cell in another tree.
I also think that it is possible to become aware of our true selves and then continue on from there on our quest known as evolution. There is a lot of shit that gets worked out in this reality we have right now. A lot of pressure on us since there are a positive orientation and a negative orientation. The negative orientation is not capable of evolving much further, and we must completely release it in order to continue our blessing known as life...
Just my opinion, though.  Peace.
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: fireworks_god]
#2101685 - 11/13/03 12:33 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hehe, this is a nice thread, it is enjoying every once and awhile to just bounce back our thoughts on something that we have no possibillity of proving. Its got a laid back, not shouting kind of feel.
I CAN PROVE WHAT I'M SAYING DAMMIT!! YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO ME, LISTEN MAN LISTEN!!!! 
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: EvilGir]
#2101981 - 11/13/03 01:53 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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> Quantom Physics : We exist on many diffrent planes of reality but we are only aware of one.
Quantum physics is about infinite small distances. Not about our life....
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Annom]
#2102328 - 11/13/03 03:41 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Death" is a subjective term. By "death" do you mean when your physical body is no longer able to support it's self and host it's symbiotic life forms? I'm pretty sure you can experience things much more shocking and transformative than this while your body is still alive, many of which I could only describe as "death". And is it consitered "death" when your body dies and is brought back to life? Is that death and rebirth? Is it "death" when you lose cells, or when the cells in your body all die off and are replaced? Would it be death if your body did die but your perspective continued on, reacting to things with instinctual reactions but there are no longer genes to draw these instincts from? Why do you react instinctually to things in dreams while in a dream body that has no genes? Why does astral projection look and feel like NDEs are desribed? Have we all experienced physical "death" before and just forgotten? This is a very complicated subject.
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: jiva]
#2102382 - 11/13/03 03:56 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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> By "death" do you mean when your physical body is no longer able to support it's self and host it's symbiotic life forms?
By death I mean when my brain cells died.
> And is it consitered "death" when your body dies and is brought back to life?
No, dead brain cells can't regenerate.
> Is that death and rebirth?
No, you've never been dead if you still live.
> Is it "death" when you lose cells, or when the cells in your body all die off and are replaced?
Yes, If your brain cells die, you are dead. Other cells can die and be replaced.
> Would it be death if your body did die but your perspective continued on, reacting to things with instinctual reactions but there are no longer genes to draw these instincts from?
Yes, if your brain cells died.
> Why do you react instinctually to things in dreams while in a dream body that has no genes?
It's just my mind creating a dream. It's me! I'm dreaming. My body has genes while I dream.
> Why does astral projection look and feel like NDEs are desribed?
It's all a chemical reaction in our brain, just like a drug, nothing spiritual.
> Have we all experienced physical "death" before and just forgotten?
No, we can't experience physical death because our brain cells don't work if they died and brain cells can't regenerate.
PS: This is all my humble opinion.
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: fireworks_god]
#2103193 - 11/13/03 07:46 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think reincarnation is possible but not like most people think it would be like.
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: fireworks_god]
#2103452 - 11/13/03 08:49 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I dont mean to spoil the fun, but there's absolutely no way to know for sure what will hapen to us when we die. (although it is interesting to think about.) But I don't think you can say "When I die, my soul will survive and I will go to a better place," or worse place or whatever the case may be. People have been trying to figure this out for a while now, like for probably 20,000 years, and we can still only speculate about afterlives and reincarnation and stuff. A couple grams of mushrooms that make you think you are dead and that you will trip after you die is fine and dandy. But don't take it too seriously once you've returned to reality.
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: bigbadwolf]
#2103472 - 11/13/03 08:54 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Considering that your mind stops doing all of the things we can observe after death, it seems quite likely that it stops doing all the things that we can't measure, as well.
Really though, nobody knows for sure what happens after you die, but a lot of people think they do.
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Flare]
#2103501 - 11/13/03 09:00 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Consciousness continues. I know 'cause I've died many times. You go to the other side, in energy form, with memory. Cogitate, analyze, process, incarnate or ascend.
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Flare]
#2103513 - 11/13/03 09:03 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Flare said: where do we go when we die...
I'm going to Disneyland!!!
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Shroomism]
#2103601 - 11/13/03 09:18 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: Consciousness continues. I know 'cause I've died many times. You go to the other side, in energy form, with memory. Cogitate, analyze, process, incarnate or ascend.
How do you know you've died many times? Its certainly a possibility that I wouldn't wright off completely. But maybe the brain that you recieved in this life has made you think that you have died. You could be remembering dreams that you have had, or something along those lines.
What do you mean by "consciousness continues"? Do you mean like reincarnation? From one specific animal at death to another at birth? Please clarify for me. What is the "other side?"
"In energy form?" what does that mean? What you are saying is that you go to the other side in a physical way, (because energy is matter). Scientifically, that doesn't make sense. Not because I'm a scientist, but because that's what all of the scientists say. They're not necesarily right, but they're also not just speculating, or "believing" in something. Maybe its just me, but I don't think that makes any sense.
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: clam_dude]
#2103675 - 11/13/03 09:34 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Consciousness clearly decreases when we get older; slower response, mixed up words, forgetfulness, Alzheimer's - basic entropy, until there is nothing left.
The wishful thinkers would have you believe otherwise. Shroomism notwithstanding, a brain on mushrooms or meditation, is NOTHING AT ALL like a dead brain. Capische?
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: clam_dude]
#2103683 - 11/13/03 09:36 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes like reincarnation. Every natural thing in existence has a continuous cycle, humans are no exception. The purpose of life is to learn, gain experience, and evolve. Consciousness is essentially the soul. It contains all life memories, in the akashic records. There's nothing physical about energy, it is purely spiritual. I mean it continues.. the consciousness/energy/soul leaves the body and goes to the "Other Side", "The Void", "Heaven", whatever the hell you want to call it, and analyzes the life. From a science perspective, energy and matter cannot be destroyed only converted to the opposite. This is similar to that. Though the energy leaves the physical body, consciousness does not die with the brain. The brain is merely a computer/processor for the physical world, it does not contain your life essence, nor your focal point of consciousness. That is a seperate energy, yet temporarily fused with the physical body. I know I've died many times the same way I know what I did yesterday. memory, data banks from life experiences embedded into the soul.
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Shroomism]
#2103696 - 11/13/03 09:39 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I mean it continues.. the consciousness/energy/soul leaves the body and goes to the "Other Side", "The Void", "Heaven", whatever the hell you want to call it, and analyzes the life.
Then Jon Edward contacts you when you are on the "other" beach with a couple of "other side" honeys and an etheric Corona and you are forced to return to answer some stupid question about a stuffed animal and some jewelry...
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Swami]
#2103894 - 11/13/03 10:17 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anybody believe in Hell?
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: fireworks_god]
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if you think about it we are a mere illusion a farce which is born and destined to die.why is it that we dont really remember or is hard to remember when we where younger?because our illusion wasnt as concrete as it is now, our ego identity had no persona therefore you couldnt recognize it.The ego, the entity which created itself as it grew and learned is but the mortal part of "ouselves" it has to die because it never really existed.And we want to cling to it because we dont understand who or what we really are and thats why some fear death.And so the question comes: where do we go when we die?well i think thats pretty much up to "you".
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Psychogenik]
#2104312 - 11/14/03 12:12 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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> Anybody believe in Hell?
No, I'd rather believe in Harry Potter.
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Annom]
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We go left. that is as plausable an answer as any i have ever heard. Sincerely, That which is, and has no choice but to be
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: ZenGecko]
#2104411 - 11/14/03 12:39 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Exactly 
I think we all became grass.....
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Annom]
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I guess i'll throw my actual opinion into the mix... I think death is no more then the end of our perceptual illusion of being seperate. And because of this, i'm am not at all confident that there is an "I" to go anywhere when "I" die. Frankly i dont even think there is an anywhere, just an everywhere, and we are already there. Death is the end of the vacation from our true nature. Sincerely, That which is, and has no choice but to be
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Annom]
#2104644 - 11/14/03 01:40 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's interesting to think about the implications of this question. "Where do we go when we die?" This begs the question: What is meant by "we"? I know where our physical bodies go: 6 feet under the ground. But are we more than our physical bodies? This, I think, is the essence of the question. Are we conscious, in some form or another, after death?
I believe we are, but it would be a very different state of consciousness than what we can experiencee here on earth with our physical bodies, even on high doses of DMT(which, I believe, is released in the brain upon death in order to help ease the transition between living consciousness and this new consciousness). In this consciousness, we would have no ego and therefore no consiousness of self. We would have no physical senses such as seeing or hearing--only a sort of universal awareness, as opposed to self-awareness. We would, in a sense, become one with God.
Another creature is concieved in a womb/egg, and this universal consciousness takes on a physical form. In the case of some of the creatures with more highly evolved brains, such as primates, it develops an ego in order to learn complex social interactions. In other cases, it develops physical awareness(awareness of the body and it's needs, such as food, water, and reproduction), but not self-awareness in the sense that we have it. In either case, DMT is again released in the brain in order to ease the transition into this new level of consciousness. And the cycle continues...
At least in my humble opinion
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: silversoul7]
#2105119 - 11/14/03 05:37 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quantum physics is about infinite small distances. Not about our life....
Well ok my mind has gone to mush recently probably too much distraction from my new GF. Anyway I did mean Quantom Mechanics because there is lots of stuff going on that we dont even know about yet. Remember the universe is only made up of 5% matter then there is dark matter and not forgetting diffrent layer of realitys and dimensions.
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Considering that your mind stops doing all of the things we can observe after death, it seems quite likely that it stops doing all the things that we can't measure, as well.
Well there has been measured quite a bit of electracle activity in the brain which last a while after death. As i have said in previous posts how do you know that your not just some type of alien slug in a diffrent dimension living on the back of this human form.
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: EvilGir]
#2105170 - 11/14/03 06:18 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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> Anyway I did mean Quantom Mechanics because there is lots of stuff going on that we dont even know about yet.
Yes, but it's about infinite small distances. If the distances increase it's not about quantum mechanics, but normal mechanics.
> Remember the universe is only made up of 5% matter then there is dark matter and not forgetting diffrent layer of realitys and dimensions.
It doesn't matter that only 5% is matter. The rest will not be something where we go when we die.
What different layers of reality and dimensions do you mean? How do we know they exist?
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: silversoul7]
#2105174 - 11/14/03 06:21 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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> But are we more than our physical bodies? My answer is no....
> I believe we are, but it would be a very different state of consciousness than what we can experiencee here on earth with our physical bodies, even on high doses of DMT(which, I believe, is released in the brain upon death in order to help ease the transition between living consciousness and this new consciousness).
What is the base of your believes? Why is your believer more logic than the believe that we turn into grass when we die?
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Annom]
#2105277 - 11/14/03 07:33 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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"> Remember the universe is only made up of 5% matter then there is dark matter and not forgetting diffrent layer of realitys and dimensions."
Is this correct?
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Phluck]
#2105292 - 11/14/03 07:40 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes.
"The WMAP team found that the big bang and Inflation theories continue to ring true. The contents of the universe include 4 percent atoms (ordinary matter), 23 percent of an unknown type of dark matter, and 73 percent of a mysterious dark energy. The new measurements even shed light on the nature of the dark energy, which acts as a sort of anti-gravity." - http://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/9-12/features/oldteacher_feature.html
I don't know whether it is mass % or volume % or something else.....
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Annom]
#2105525 - 11/14/03 08:59 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alright, cool.
Just checkin'
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Phluck]
#2106459 - 11/14/03 01:19 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anybody believe in Hell?
hell is where you make it.
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Remember the universe is only made up of 5% matter then there is dark matter and not forgetting diffrent layer of realitys and dimensions
Although this hasnt been necessarily disproven, it is not exactly accepted fact. As much as I love to believe in alternate dimensions and dark matter, the fact of the matter is that these are kind of "fudge factors" in our mathematical models of the univewrse. It could very possibly be that the reason we see a huge gravitational effect with no matter to account for it is simply because we don't fully understand gravity. Not because there is some mysterious "dark matter" that we can't see.
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: DoctorJ]
#2106595 - 11/14/03 02:01 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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I too believe that consciousness is merely a form of energy. Consciousness drives our brains and hence our bodies. But when this physical body dies, the energy of consciousness does not vanish into thin air. Energy can be neither created nor destroyed, only conserved. I believe that if we have not yet reached Awareness or Pure Consciousness, we are reincarnated on the Earth (in another physical form) to work off more of our own karma. It is when we realize this Pure Consciousness (the Atman, if you will) that we can merge with it; at this point, a physical body (and the associated Ego) would not only be useless but harmful.
As to the multiple universes thing, I believe it was David Deutsch who proposed the theory of the Muliverse to explain the behavior of shadow photons. The Multiverse is a set of infinitely many universes occurring simultaneously; a new universe is created for every possible occurrence which might happen in this moment (there are many!). Hence, shadow photons do not vanish into thin air, but are simply able to travel to parallel dimensions; I believe there has been an experiment which have been able to make a shadow photon "disappear" and then "reappear" from the same point.
Paco Ahlgren's "Discipline" (I can e-mail this to you if you PM me. Good book -- you won't be disappointed) and Michael Crichton's "Timeline" covered these concepts rather well for the layman.
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Annom]
#2106826 - 11/14/03 03:10 PM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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Annom said: > But are we more than our physical bodies? My answer is no....
Good for you.
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> I believe we are, but it would be a very different state of consciousness than what we can experiencee here on earth with our physical bodies, even on high doses of DMT(which, I believe, is released in the brain upon death in order to help ease the transition between living consciousness and this new consciousness).
What is the base of your believes? Why is your believer more logic than the believe that we turn into grass when we die?
You must have missed this part of my post:
At least in my humble opinion
I never said it was any more logical than your beliefs. My beliefs are not based so much on logic as they are on experience. When I took 5g of mushrooms and had my ego stripped away from me, I felt a connection to a more primal, universal consciousness. It was just a connection, and therefore I did not entirely attain this level of consciousness, but I felt a certain understanding of it, albeit an incomplete understanding. All I truly understood was that it existed.
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: silversoul7]
#2114579 - 11/17/03 02:51 AM (20 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Yes, but it's about infinite small distances. If the distances increase it's not about quantum mechanics, but normal mechanics. "
Ok fine string theory, this says there is 11 difrent dimensions, one is time then there is the width, length and depth. Then there is a higher dimentions layered right on top of us which could only be a few mm away. So we could easily be conected to these world withou any concious awareness of it except when takeing dmt 
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