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OfflineLightningfractal
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2101685 - 11/13/03 12:33 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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Hehe, this is a nice thread, it is enjoying every once and awhile to just bounce back our thoughts on something that we have no possibillity of proving. Its got a laid back, not shouting kind of feel.






I CAN PROVE WHAT I'M SAYING DAMMIT!! YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO ME, LISTEN MAN LISTEN!!!!
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: EvilGir]
    #2101981 - 11/13/03 01:53 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

> Quantom Physics : We exist on many diffrent planes of reality but we are only aware of one.

Quantum physics is about infinite small distances. Not about our life....


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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Annom]
    #2102328 - 11/13/03 03:41 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

"Death" is a subjective term. By "death" do you mean when your physical body is no longer able to support it's self and host it's symbiotic life forms? I'm pretty sure you can experience things much more shocking and transformative than this while your body is still alive, many of which I could only describe as "death". And is it consitered "death" when your body dies and is brought back to life? Is that death and rebirth? Is it "death" when you lose cells, or when the cells in your body all die off and are replaced? Would it be death if your body did die but your perspective continued on, reacting to things with instinctual reactions but there are no longer genes to draw these instincts from? Why do you react instinctually to things in dreams while in a dream body that has no genes? Why does astral projection look and feel like NDEs are desribed? Have we all experienced physical "death" before and just forgotten? This is a very complicated subject.


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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: jiva]
    #2102382 - 11/13/03 03:56 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

> By "death" do you mean when your physical body is no longer able to support it's self and host it's symbiotic life forms?

By death I mean when my brain cells died.

> And is it consitered "death" when your body dies and is brought back to life?

No, dead brain cells can't regenerate.

> Is that death and rebirth?

No, you've never been dead if you still live.

> Is it "death" when you lose cells, or when the cells in your body all die off and are replaced?

Yes, If your brain cells die, you are dead. Other cells can die and be replaced.

> Would it be death if your body did die but your perspective continued on, reacting to things with instinctual reactions but there are no longer genes to draw these instincts from?

Yes, if your brain cells died.

> Why do you react instinctually to things in dreams while in a dream body that has no genes?

It's just my mind creating a dream. It's me! I'm dreaming. My body has genes while I dream.

> Why does astral projection look and feel like NDEs are desribed?

It's all a chemical reaction in our brain, just like a drug, nothing spiritual.

> Have we all experienced physical "death" before and just forgotten?

No, we can't experience physical death because our brain cells don't work if they died and brain cells can't regenerate.



PS: This is all my humble opinion.






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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2103193 - 11/13/03 07:46 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I think reincarnation is possible but not like most people think it would be like.


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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2103452 - 11/13/03 08:49 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I dont mean to spoil the fun, but there's absolutely no way to know for sure what will hapen to us when we die. (although it is interesting to think about.) But I don't think you can say "When I die, my soul will survive and I will go to a better place," or worse place or whatever the case may be.

People have been trying to figure this out for a while now, like for probably 20,000 years, and we can still only speculate about afterlives and reincarnation and stuff. A couple grams of mushrooms that make you think you are dead and that you will trip after you die is fine and dandy. But don't take it too seriously once you've returned to reality.


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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: bigbadwolf]
    #2103472 - 11/13/03 08:54 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Considering that your mind stops doing all of the things we can observe after death, it seems quite likely that it stops doing all the things that we can't measure, as well.

Really though, nobody knows for sure what happens after you die, but a lot of people think they do.


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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Flare]
    #2103501 - 11/13/03 09:00 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Consciousness continues. I know 'cause I've died many times.
You go to the other side, in energy form, with memory.
Cogitate, analyze, process, incarnate or ascend.


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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Flare]
    #2103513 - 11/13/03 09:03 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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Flare said:
where do we go when we die...



I'm going to Disneyland!!!


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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Shroomism]
    #2103601 - 11/13/03 09:18 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
Consciousness continues. I know 'cause I've died many times.
You go to the other side, in energy form, with memory.
Cogitate, analyze, process, incarnate or ascend.




How do you know you've died many times? Its certainly a possibility that I wouldn't wright off completely. But maybe the brain that you recieved in this life has made you think that you have died. You could be remembering dreams that you have had, or something along those lines.

What do you mean by "consciousness continues"? Do you mean like reincarnation? From one specific animal at death to another at birth? Please clarify for me. What is the "other side?"

"In energy form?" what does that mean? What you are saying is that you go to the other side in a physical way, (because energy is matter). Scientifically, that doesn't make sense. Not because I'm a scientist, but because that's what all of the scientists say. They're not necesarily right, but they're also not just speculating, or "believing" in something. Maybe its just me, but I don't think that makes any sense.


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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: clam_dude]
    #2103675 - 11/13/03 09:34 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Consciousness clearly decreases when we get older; slower response, mixed up words, forgetfulness, Alzheimer's - basic entropy, until there is nothing left.

The wishful thinkers would have you believe otherwise. Shroomism notwithstanding, a brain on mushrooms or meditation, is NOTHING AT ALL like a dead brain. Capische?


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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: clam_dude]
    #2103683 - 11/13/03 09:36 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Yes like reincarnation. Every natural thing in existence has a continuous cycle, humans are no exception. The purpose of life is to learn, gain experience, and evolve.
Consciousness is essentially the soul. It contains all life memories, in the akashic records.
There's nothing physical about energy, it is purely spiritual.
I mean it continues.. the consciousness/energy/soul leaves the body and goes to the "Other Side", "The Void", "Heaven", whatever the hell you want to call it, and analyzes the life.
From a science perspective, energy and matter cannot be destroyed only converted to the opposite. This is similar to that. Though the energy leaves the physical body, consciousness does not die with the brain. The brain is merely a computer/processor for the physical world, it does not contain your life essence, nor your focal point of consciousness. That is a seperate energy, yet temporarily fused with the physical body. I know I've died many times the same way I know what I did yesterday. memory, data banks from life experiences embedded into the soul.



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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Shroomism]
    #2103696 - 11/13/03 09:39 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I mean it continues.. the consciousness/energy/soul leaves the body and goes to the "Other Side", "The Void", "Heaven", whatever the hell you want to call it, and analyzes the life.

Then Jon Edward contacts you when you are on the "other" beach with a couple of "other side" honeys and an etheric Corona and you are forced to return to answer some stupid question about a stuffed animal and some jewelry...


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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Swami]
    #2103894 - 11/13/03 10:17 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

:lol: :lol: :lol: 


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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Help on the Way]
    #2103950 - 11/13/03 10:27 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Anybody believe in Hell?


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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2103960 - 11/13/03 10:30 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

if you think about it we are a mere illusion a farce which is born and destined to die.why is it that we dont really remember or is hard to remember when we where younger?because our illusion wasnt as concrete as it is now, our ego identity had no persona therefore you couldnt recognize it.The ego, the entity which created itself as it grew and learned is but the mortal part of "ouselves" it has to die because it never really existed.And we want to cling to it because we dont understand who or what we really are and thats why some fear death.And so the question comes: where do we go when we die?well i think thats pretty much up to "you".


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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Psychogenik]
    #2104312 - 11/14/03 12:12 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

> Anybody believe in Hell?

No, I'd rather believe in Harry Potter.


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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Annom]
    #2104328 - 11/14/03 12:18 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

We go left. that is as plausable an answer as any i have ever heard.
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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: ZenGecko]
    #2104411 - 11/14/03 12:39 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Exactly  :thumbup:

I think we all became grass.....


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Re: where do we go when we die... [Re: Annom]
    #2104613 - 11/14/03 01:33 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I guess i'll throw my actual opinion into the mix... I think death is no more then the end of our perceptual illusion of being seperate. And because of this, i'm am not at all confident that there is an "I" to go anywhere when "I" die. Frankly i dont even think there is an anywhere, just an everywhere, and we are already there. Death is the end of the vacation from our true nature.
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