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OfflineEspresso
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What to do with spent casing?
    #2096835 - 11/12/03 01:07 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Hey all, afoaf has a casing of straw that was spawned with brf cakes and produced one flush of about 220 grams wet, but has since shown no signs of flushing again despite his efforts of fanning and keeping humidity adequate. The first flush occurred about a week and a half ago, should he give up on the casing now? And if so, is there anything constructive he could do with it assuming it's not contaminated inside, such as use it to spawn some more straw or something?


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Re: What to do with spent casing? [Re: Espresso]
    #2096910 - 11/12/03 01:34 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

you could:

1. dunk.
2. remove old casing layer, dunk, and re-case.
3. use it to spawn something else.
4. throw it out.

i'm no expert on this one but i think #2 is the best course of action. maybe #1.


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Re: What to do with spent casing? [Re: ]
    #2096969 - 11/12/03 01:55 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

i buried my sppent casings outside int he dirt, and the grew :smile:
if your gonna throw em out, just bury em, something might happen.


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Re: What to do with spent casing? [Re: supra]
    #2097053 - 11/12/03 02:16 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

unfortunately that's not really an option right now, my friend lives in a rather urban area and it's currently about 45 degrees outside. thanks for the input anyway though. Anyone with experience spawning with already fruited straw?


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Re: What to do with spent casing? [Re: supra]
    #2097061 - 11/12/03 02:17 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

What are the conditions you have been keeping the casing in???
I like mushmaster's number 2.

However here is a couple other things you could do...
Get the temps up to 86'F for 24 hours, then drop them to about 70-76'F. And don't fan at all during that time. Mycelium sometimes need a build up of CO2 to fruit. Fan them only when you get pins.


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Re: What to do with spent casing? [Re: Boobylip]
    #2097380 - 11/12/03 03:24 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I would have to disagree that removing the old casing layer would be a good idea, allow me to explain:

When you cut or scrape that casing layer off, you are removing healthy mycelium and any new hyphal aggregates that may have accumulated on the surface (since the beginning, and since the last flush). These are "stashes" of nutrient accumulation that will eventually start to form pins. When you remove this you damage the casing, requiring further energy to repair itself. Not to mention that the injured mycelium would be very vulnerable to parasites during the "recovery time". Basically you will be causing the casing more work, reducing your yield potential, and costing you more time. I would scratch it if necessary, but that harms it as well.

I would recommend you dunk it. If the casing layer looks like it needs a refresher, scratch it and apply a very thin new layer. If the casing layer is heavily battered from the first flush then you may need to repair it, but do not remove the old one. Revert back to incubation conditions for a few days, and then reintroduce it back to your fruiting environment. Keep it humid until you see pins, and then back it down.

Not trying to step on any toes, but you also must look at the risks and disadvantages involved, not just the possibility of more mushrooms. I can almost guarantee you are being impatient and if conditions are right, it will produce more if you just leave it alone.


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Re: What to do with spent casing? [Re: ATWAR]
    #2097396 - 11/12/03 03:27 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

ATWAR, could you give some advice on just how to dunk a casing? I'm curious, and haven't found a system I like yet...


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Re: What to do with spent casing? [Re: ATWAR]
    #2097408 - 11/12/03 03:30 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the help Atwar. I forgot to mention that my friend's first flush was allowed to overmature due to him being out of town for a few days. Spore were dropped all over the casing layer. Would this factor in to these problems at all?

Second, the casing is large and hard to remove from it's tray for dunking. Would filling the tray with water and putting some sort of a weight on the casing to keep it submerged be an acceptable method of dunking, or is there some other method he should try in this situation?


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Re: What to do with spent casing? [Re: MycoCat]
    #2097418 - 11/12/03 03:32 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

i remember somebody post something about that but i can't find the post !~


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Re: What to do with spent casing? [Re: diacamomo]
    #2097471 - 11/12/03 03:43 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

ATWAR, could you give some advice on just how to dunk a casing? I'm curious, and haven't found a system I like yet...




Well my method of rehydration is as follows:
Mix a little water and peroxide (about 1 part peroxide to 10 parts water)
Pour into casing tray, if the casing floats then you must weight it down. I usually put some type of lid on to keep it down because of my dislike for foreign objects touching my casing. I usually let this soak no more than 12-18 hours. Drain more than once.

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forgot to mention that my friend's first flush was allowed to overmature due to him being out of town for a few days. Spore were dropped all over the casing layer. Would this factor in to these problems at all?




Actually yes, it is possible. It has been said that pins will not form where spores have dropped, but I cannot verify this claim true or false from my own personal experience. If you have a heavy layer of spores then you should try to scrape the minimal amount of casing layer off that will remove the spores. I do know they can be a source of bacterial contamination, so it is best to get them off. Once you scrape that layer off, apply a new one approximately 1/4-1/2" deep or so. Incubate.


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Re: What to do with spent casing? [Re: ATWAR]
    #2097838 - 11/12/03 05:29 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks, I'll tell him to give that a try.


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Re: What to do with spent casing? [Re: supra]
    #2098335 - 11/12/03 08:01 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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supra said:
i buried my sppent casings outside int he dirt, and the grew :smile:
if your gonna throw em out, just bury em, something might happen. 





how did you go about burying? anything special? or did you just dig a hole, throw the casings in, and see what happened? 


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Re: What to do with spent casing? [Re: aje]
    #2099073 - 11/12/03 11:12 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

i kinda made a 'casing' out of the dirt, dug a square hole, about 3 inches deep, threw in the spent cakes all crushed up, covered in dirt and then did nothing, it has been fluctuating in tempereture from 40 degrees to around 85


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Re: What to do with spent casing? [Re: supra]
    #2102307 - 11/13/03 05:35 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

i want to do that but temps are getting cold here
yesterday it was around 40 degrees and today the high was 35 :frown:.  looks like im gonna have to stick with indoor projects until spring. 


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