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Casing late?
    #20959142 - 12/10/14 07:29 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I recently birthed these 2 WBR cakes. I cannot get verm but I have a lot of coco coir here. The cakes stopping colonizing the surface 2 weeks ago and I left them for consolidation for 1 week. Birthed them on Monday. They've been in the FC for 4 days and I think the myc's colonizing the exposed grains (these grains were sticky to the jars thus the myc stopped colonizing the outer surface of these grains. Should I case it with coco-coir now? I fear leaving the cake with no case may introduce contams to the exposed grains (no contams yet fortunately) and slow pinning down. Should I case them now?


The cakes were dunked for 24 hours before birthing. However I dunked my other 3 B+ jars later for 12 hours and when they were broken up, the cakes are rather sticky in the middle (it wasn't that sticky after I cooked the grains). Maybe I dunked the birthed cakes for too long? I read yesterday somewhere that whole grain cakes should only be dunked for 15 minutes since they absorb water so well? Can this slow down my grow (since the myc may have to take more time to consolidate the inner grains)?

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Re: Casing late? [Re: mcsuperd]
    #20959175 - 12/10/14 07:38 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I would trim the foil back so it's not such a big square. you can case them if you would like to, really thin like an 1/8th inch if you wanted to. would it help :shrug: I can't predict that but I probably would do it if I were you. you could also just fruit them like that but you'll have to pay close attention to the moisture on the cakes and adjust with spraying to get pins to not abort.

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Re: Casing late? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #20961681 - 12/11/14 11:39 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

So what are you suggesting that I do next? I only have coco coir available :frown:

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Re: Casing late? [Re: mcsuperd]
    #20961724 - 12/11/14 11:53 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Coir will not help you in the same way vermiculite will when it comes to casing your cakes.  You don't have vermiculite mixed in your cakes.  The reason we mix verm into the cakes is because verm retains a great deal of water and it helps keep the moisture of the cakes where it should be.  This is also the reason we use verm to case our cakes.  If I was in your situation I would start my next batch of cakes being sure to follow the PF tek to a T next time.   

Check this link out.  http://www.shroomery.org/8515/Recipes-through-Inoculation

Read all the stuff in it.  But as far as trying to save those cakes I think the only thing you can really do is re dunk them and then mist the shit out of them all the time when they are in the fruiting chamber.  I wish I had a better answer but I do not.  If you were following a tek it would be much easier for someone to take a look at your post and say what is wrong and what to do.


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Re: Casing late? [Re: Willy Wonka]
    #20964101 - 12/11/14 09:41 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

It's pretty impossible for me to get vermiculite :frown: I thought casing will create air pockets that promote pinning? Maybe should I crumble the cakes in a tray with coir and then case with coir too?

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    #20965456 - 12/12/14 07:07 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Casing late? [Re: lollerskeeball]
    #20965912 - 12/12/14 09:32 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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lollerskeeball said:
I'm interested in seeing how this works for you. I have some WBR cakes at like 95% and was considering just fruiting them as cakes. I currently have a couple casings from them and they're finally starting to pin. As far as dunking, I was under the impression that grains needed less time dunking, though I am no expert.

I was going to do the PF tek to a T but I happened to have a SHIT ton of WBR and now I just love how quickly it colonizes.

But, please post updates on this if you would




So I cased one cake today, crumbled, mix and cased with 1:1 coir the other.
I dunked these cakes for 24 hours on Monday and today when I crumbled one, it was very wet and kind of sticky in the middle yet the surface is relatively dry. I think I made a good decision :smile:
I also dunked 3 jars for 12 hours and then crumbled right away and it was super sticky.
I also might have over cooked the grains in the beginning since I saw people's whole grain cakes crumbles easily and into grains not into chunks.
But the crumbled and mixed with 1:3 coir jars are colonizing fast :smile:

So now I have:
1 coir cased wbr cake
4 bulk tray mixed and cased with coir (1 at 1:1, 3 at 1:3)

I will post update on these here
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20854810

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