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Re: Benghazi Terrorist Attack -House Select Committee Hearing [Re: Shroom Detective]
    #20960029 - 12/10/14 11:12 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Congress has been extraordinarily generous with the department

requests for additional equipment and personnel were denied



How do you explain that discrepancy?


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Re: Benghazi Terrorist Attack -House Select Committee Hearing [Re: Shroom Detective]
    #20960074 - 12/10/14 11:25 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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So, you want me to watch and regurgitate it for you like a mamma bird, how pathetically lazy is that?



You said you watched it twice.  Not summarizing it is lazy.  Most people don't have 2-3 hours to watch something that you found interesting, but are unable to summarize why.

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Even if I could do a Vulcan Mind Meld with you, I assure you I would decline the opportunity.



Why is that?  Because you know you've got nothing but hot air.

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Shroom Detective said:Besides, I thought guys were visually oriented and preferred video



Sure - point us to an interesting 5 minutes.  Few people have 3 hours to watch something you found interesting, but are unable to summarize why.


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Re: Benghazi Terrorist Attack -House Select Committee Hearing [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #20960214 - 12/11/14 12:01 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Congress has been extraordinarily generous with the department

requests for additional equipment and personnel were denied



How do you explain that discrepancy?




Gowdy cannot even get a straight answer from Starr, Assistant Secretary for Diplomatic Security, after two years time to answer that, and I have not done a Vulcan Mind Meld with him, either.  Still stonewalling for Hillary and Obama, but Gowdy will get the answers, one way or another.


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I WANT TO SPECIFICALLY WITH RESPECT TO BENGHAZI, IN OCTOBER OF 2011, THERE WAS A SPECIFIC REQUEST FOR A MACHINE GUN TO DEFEND OUR FACILITY IN BENGHAZI. IN AUGUST OF 2012, JUST A MONTH BEFORE THE ATTACK ON OUR FACILITY, A DOCUMENT AGAIN LISTS A MACHINE GUN AS EQUIPMENT NEEDED AND REQUESTED. DO YOU KNOW WHO DENIED THE REQUEST FOR THOSE MACHINE GUNS AND WHY? >>

NO, SIR, I DO NOT. >>

WHO SHOULD I ASK? >>

YOU CAN ASK ME AND I WILL RESEARCH THAT. >>

WILL YOU DO THAT IN IS. >>

YES, I WILL. >>

HAVE YOU WATCHED THE VIDEO SURVEILLANCE FROM THE NIGHT OF THE ATTACK? >>

I HAVE. >>

WITHOUT GOING INTO GREAT DETAIL, WOULD YOU AGREE WITH ME -- DO YOU AT LEAST SEE WHY SOMEBODY ON THE GROUND MIGHT HAVE ASKED FOR THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT GIVEN WHAT YOU AND I HAVE SEEN IN THE SURVEILLANCE VIDEO? THINKING BACK TO THE VIDEO, CAN YOU SEE HOW THAT MIGHT POSSIBLY HAVE COME IN HANDY THAT NIGHT?



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Re: Benghazi Terrorist Attack -House Select Committee Hearing [Re: Shroom Detective]
    #20960295 - 12/11/14 12:27 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Congress has been extraordinarily generous with the department

requests for additional equipment and personnel were denied



How do you explain that discrepancy?




Gowdy cannot even get a straight answer from Starr after two years time, and I have not done a Vulcan Mind Meld with him, either.




In other words, you can't explain it.  :shrug:


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Re: Benghazi Terrorist Attack -House Select Committee Hearing [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #20960322 - 12/11/14 12:35 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Your dear leaders are deceitfully pretending they do not know anything, in order to cover their butts.  You do realize that Ann Patterson was the Ambassador to Egypt during the terrorist attack, don't you?  That connection is certainly interesting.


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Re: Benghazi Terrorist Attack -House Select Committee Hearing [Re: Shroom Detective]
    #20961215 - 12/11/14 09:14 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Why don't you tell us why you find that interesting?


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Re: Benghazi Terrorist Attack -House Select Committee Hearing [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #20961305 - 12/11/14 09:42 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

If you watch the hearing, when Gowdy narrowed in upon Starr in closing, for a name of one whom could explain why we were in Benghazi, being that such is indeed an important question having been repeatedly asked and never answered, the manner in which Starr tossed Patterson's name out there was rather uncharacteristic of his demeanor, throughout the entire hearing.  She is simply another pawn having been moved forward upon the board at this point; however, that is really all in which was necessary to proceed.

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Since all documents responsive to Congressional inquiries into the Benghazi terrorist attack have not been produced, it is fair to say that not all questions have been asked and answered. ~Jamel Ware, Sept 17, 2014




If you watch the hearing, you can easily determine that such still holds true; therefore, need for additional documents and questioning of additional witnesses must occur, because if you fail to study history, you are doomed to repeat it.  The House Select Committee is studying the terrorist attack in Benghazi, so that it is not repeated.  Logically, only terrorist should wish to see such fail to occur.








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Re: Benghazi Terrorist Attack -House Select Committee Hearing [Re: Shroom Detective]
    #20961868 - 12/11/14 12:30 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I see you dodged my question about Ann Patterson.  I think you're about 0 for 60 by now in answering questions.  :shake:

Your video shows Starr being asked why we were in Benghazi, and Starr replying that the answer is in the ARB (Accountability Review Board) documents.  So what's your issue?


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Re: Benghazi Terrorist Attack -House Select Committee Hearing [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #20962059 - 12/11/14 01:24 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

If the answer were within the ARB, the question would not be continually asked.


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Re: Benghazi Terrorist Attack -House Select Committee Hearing [Re: Shroom Detective]
    #20962084 - 12/11/14 01:30 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Likewise, if requested documents had been produced, questions would be answered; but that has also yet to occur.


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Re: Benghazi Terrorist Attack -House Select Committee Hearing [Re: Shroom Detective]
    #20962090 - 12/11/14 01:33 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Furthermore, if certain witnesses had been interviewed, more questions would be resolved; however, that, also, has yet to occur.


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Re: Benghazi Terrorist Attack -House Select Committee Hearing [Re: Shroom Detective]
    #20962118 - 12/11/14 01:41 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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This is the most transparent administration in history


, said the Liar-in-Chief.


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Re: Benghazi Terrorist Attack -House Select Committee Hearing [Re: Shroom Detective]
    #20962194 - 12/11/14 02:06 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Wrong.  If Jordan knew the answer was within the ARB, the question would not have been asked.

Here's some of what the ARB says about why we were there (I only read the first two pages):

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to advance American interests and connect with populations beyond capitals, and beyond host governments’ reach.

for the U.S. government to be present in places where stability and security are often most profoundly lacking and host government support is sometimes minimal to non-existent.




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Re: Benghazi Terrorist Attack -House Select Committee Hearing [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #20962570 - 12/11/14 03:39 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

State must comply with protocol, before it can do so, and previous testimony indicates it failed, resulting in unnecessary injury and deaths; therefore, the question remains, why were we there?  As if it has learned nothing, high risk locations currently fail to have MSG attachments.  They have host countries supplying non-vetted security contractors.  Did State bother to provide even one machine gun for each rooftop this time?  If so, will those non-vetted contractors aim it where necessary, or upon our fellow Americans, instead?


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Re: Benghazi Terrorist Attack -House Select Committee Hearing [Re: Shroom Detective]
    #20964108 - 12/11/14 09:43 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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State must comply with protocol, before it can do so, and previous testimony indicates it failed, resulting in unnecessary injury and deaths; therefore, the question remains, why were we there?  As if it has learned nothing, high risk locations currently fail to have MSG attachments.  They have host countries supplying non-vetted security contractors.  Did State bother to provide even one machine gun for each rooftop this time?  If so, will those non-vetted contractors aim it where necessary, or upon our fellow Americans, instead?



That's fine and dandy, but is there any evidence of a "cover up" or "scandal"?  If not, why is this significant to anyone but the folks responsible for security?


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Re: Benghazi Terrorist Attack -House Select Committee Hearing [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #20964345 - 12/11/14 10:30 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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State must comply with protocol, before it can do so, and previous testimony indicates it failed, resulting in unnecessary injury and deaths; therefore, the question remains, why were we there?  As if it has learned nothing, high risk locations currently fail to have MSG attachments.  They have host countries supplying non-vetted security contractors.  Did State bother to provide even one machine gun for each rooftop this time?  If so, will those non-vetted contractors aim it where necessary, or upon our fellow Americans, instead?




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That's fine and dandy,




It is unacceptable.  A scenario:

You have the neighborhood children over one afternoon in your pool.  You receive a telephone call with notice you are needed elsewhere.  You then contact a stranger and ask the individual to watch the children, while you are away, and when you interview the individual, you learn standards fail to meet critical protocol.  You proceed to leave the children's care to that individual.  The children repeatedly contact you and plead for help.  You repeatedly refuse them.  Many of the children become injured, and four of them die.  That is profusely less than wise,  irresponsible, completely reckless, neglectful, as well as abusive.  You, as well as that individual, should be imprisoned for a lengthy period, with further restrictions upon you after release, if the latter is even possible.  Same principle.


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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:but is there any evidence of a "cover up" or "scandal"?  If not, why is this significant to anyone but the folks responsible for security?




I have high confidence it is much more significant to the family members of the deceased, as well as many Americans, than it is to you.  As for evidence, much requested in the way of documents and witnesses has yet to be furnished upon demand to the select committee; so yes, that appears to equate to a scandal, as well as a cover-up, as does the following.



The administration did not issue an apology for a video, as it deceitfully claimed to We The People, as well as the entire world; it issued an apology for something else. 

1.  What did the administration know it had done wrong, causing it to feel the need to issue an apology? 

2.  Who was the administration actually issuing that apology to, when it did so?  The administration certainly was not issuing an apology to the families of our deceased Americans, in that instance, for recklessly failing to follow standard protocol before, during, and after the attack. 

3.  To whom and

4.  for what action(s) was the administration actually apologizing? 

5.  What caused the Secretary of State to show such poor judgment and forsake all standard protocol, when sending our people into Benghazi?

6.  What did the Secretary of State believe was so important, as to carelessly risk the lives of our fellow Americans, then fail to respond to repeated advance requests for proper means of defense, then abandon them during the extensive time period they were brutally under attack?


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Re: Benghazi Terrorist Attack -House Select Committee Hearing [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #20964398 - 12/11/14 10:40 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Any fool can see what this shit sandwich suggests.  It is obvious that we need more government, more taxes, more rules and regulations, more beaurocrats, and more microscopes up our assholes to keep us safe.


Fuck yea!  Let's start fattening some pork up for the next porkulus.  And aren't we overdue for a war?  Surely someone in some distant country has pissed us off enough to grant license to get the war machine turning again?

I mean?  Isn't it obvious how great a job democrats AND republicans are doing running this country? And I admit, I'm way too fucking stupid to run my own life.  I need lying assholes wearing suits in Washington DC to think for me.

Gee, I suddenly had the urge to make bleated, sad baas with the rest of the heard. 

People, aren't you tired of letting these fucking lying, dick-sucking politicians run this country into the ground?  How much more of this crap do we have to take? 

OH, I know the answer!  We need 'hope and change!'  'Yes We Can!'  Well...'Forward...' :smirk:

The US is slowly dying the death of a thousand cuts...with knives wielded by shit-bags who call themselves 'Democrats' and 'Republicans'


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Re: Benghazi Terrorist Attack -House Select Committee Hearing [Re: starfire_xes]
    #20964646 - 12/11/14 11:38 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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That's fine and dandy,




It is unacceptable.



I said it's fine and dandy for security to figure out how to prevent another Benghazi from happening.  After all, no one cared about the prior 13 attacks on embassies and 60 deaths under President George W. Bush, so at least the Government finally cares now.


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Re: Benghazi Terrorist Attack -House Select Committee Hearing [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #20965015 - 12/12/14 02:12 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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no one cared about the prior





You speak only for yourself.  You forgot about the 2977 deaths from the terrorist attacks upon the World Trade Center, Pentagon, American 11, United 175, American 77, and United 93 on Sept 11, 2001.  Although you forgot, I can assure you most Americans did not, and care very much about that, as well.

Being that you could not answer the questions, you obviously understand the need for the hearings.  They should make more progress behind the scenes, as well as with the upcoming hearings next year.


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Re: Benghazi Terrorist Attack -House Select Committee Hearing [Re: Shroom Detective]
    #20965186 - 12/12/14 04:39 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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no one cared about the prior 13 attacks on embassies and 60 deaths under President George W. Bush



You speak only for yourself.



I don't recall any outrage over those prior 13 attacks; can you link to it?  Why the prior silence?

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Being that you could not answer the questions, you obviously understand the need for the hearings.  They should make more progress behind the scenes, as well as with the upcoming hearings next year.



I already said I'm not against the hearings, but they're irrelevant to anyone but Government security who want to prevent another such attack.

Why don't you provide a link to the apology you're referring to in your questions and then I'll answer them.


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